If a spy's ultimate goal is the Academy Award, I guess it makes sense. But I believe people just call them "actors", then.
Good thing, too, 'cause Cipher/Paz's entire plan depended on that.
God, that was so dumb.
And now, this. Kojima...
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God, that was so dumb.
And now, this. Kojima...
Pai Pai Master
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Lakitu didn't only get work in the Mushroom Kingdom.
I hear he's just filming weird internet porn these days though.
KittenMaster
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When you're constantly choosing what you say carefully in order to hide your true motives, then it truly does start to seem like acting at some point.
Considering that Miller was "doing business" with Cipher, Miller's desire to expand MSF's growth and his overconfidence could have easily been factored into Paz's plan intentionally based on what Cipher would have learned about him. After all, the CIA went in with a business proposition that Kaz could not refuse. He truly was played like a damn fiddle.
But when you keep acting when it's no longer necessary, when you're right in front of your end goal and now just pointlessly postponing your victory... well, I guess you're just a lot more into acting than spying.
I know Kaz wanted to expand MSF. That still doesn't explain why he'd invite a spy on his base and let her be.
It would be one thing if he really was in league with Zero at that point (beyond the "business partner" angle), but that's not what we're supposed to understand, is it? The guy seems pissed at the "spying bitch".
(I guess Kojima could still go "yep, Kaz was acting all along, so it made sense that he let Paz stay and spy around, and it also makes sense that he'd end up helping Solid Snake stop "that madman" in Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake!", but that would just open another set of cans of worms...)
Pitch Black Flint
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Maybe not a character, but I don't see why it couldn't be a remote controlled stealth drone. That would explain why it goes unnoticed by both enemies and allies during intense scenes. And since Ground Zeroes deals so much with very modern issues like torture and unregulated government black sites, I can see Kojima touching on the topic of drone strikes in the Phantom Pain.
Also, with both Ground Zeroes and Peace Walker relegating much of the story to cassette recordings, does anyone else think we'll be collecting VHS tapes for Phantom Pain? I mean, they were just becoming popular in the mid 80's and it would make sense. Not to mention it would seem like a good way to keep Kojima's new "gameplay first" philosophy while still providing the cinematic experience the older fans expect.
Well the MGS series has always been pretty absurd plotwise. The tagline should be Never Trust Anyone. Hell even Huey is now suspicious.
Oh, yeah, that's nothing new. My initial point was that it made things even worse for Paz's character development (if you can even call it that).
AndrewDean84xX
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So Eli is Liquid? How is this so?
Not confirmed, but quite likely.
The age is right (looks 12), the Hebrew name (Like Solid's "David"), the blonde hair, the open coat, the smug looks, the necklace of what appears to be canine fangs ("In the Middle East we don't hunt foxes, we hunt jackals"), the whole "youth who curses his fate" stuff....
plasmawave
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How's this for a new conspiracy theory?
Solid's name is David.
Liquid's real name might be Eli.
Solidus's real name is George.
David E George, the guy who killed Abraham Lincoln.
:O
Solid's name is David.
Liquid's real name might be Eli.
Solidus's real name is George.
David E George, the guy who killed Abraham Lincoln.
:O
Valkyri von Thanatos
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Not just that, Eli and David are biblical characters. Eli was the strongest of 8 brothers ("octuplets, BROTHER!") and wanted to be king. David, the weaker became king though or something due to his wit. David and Goliath (Solid and REX)?
The Silver
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Solidus still the red-headed step child, poor guy.
Razgriz-Specter
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Yup Deja Vu is worth $20 alone imo.
Yeah, I thought Deja Vu was good the first time. Then doing it again with the MGS1 skin with snow and wolf cries and MGS1 soldiers and MGS1 prisoner characters...soooo good.
Is it weird that a demo/prologue game like this is probably going to end up being my goty 2014? The 12-13 hours I've had in GZ has been more fun than any game I've played in a while. And more fun than any MGS since MGS3.
Is it weird that a demo/prologue game like this is probably going to end up being my goty 2014? The 12-13 hours I've had in GZ has been more fun than any game I've played in a while. And more fun than any MGS since MGS3.
ComputerBlue
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May I ask how you pick the classic environment with the snow and MGS1 soldiers? I've gotten S rank on normal and also beaten it on hard, passed the quiz at the end every time, yet I still don't see an option to do so. I must be missing something.
While selecting Deja Vu mission hit left or right on the control stick.
Razgriz-Specter
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surprised me how good the MGS1 Snake model still looks outside of the horrible face.
semiconscious
Member
same. i knew i was gonna get my $30 worth of fun out of this, & it's been better than i'd expected. something like a metal gear version of animal crossing for me
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ComputerBlue
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That's it eh? For some reason I remember doing that which just gave me the option to use the character skins. I could swear I saw someone playing with the GZ Big Boss skin while the environment was classic.
Anyway, Thanks. I'll give it a go tonight when I get home.
I rented this from Redbox yesterday, and I'm glad that I did, because if I would have paid $20 for this game I would have been pissed.
The gameplay was fun enough, but I haven't played a Metal Gear game since MGS 4 and played MGS3 years ago. I had a hard time understanding or caring about what happened.
I don't really know who any of the major players are outside of vaguely remembering Master Miller. I thought the whole game that Cipher was some sort of organization, but then with the traditional post-credits conversation it seemed like Cipher was Zero. I didn't really get the significance of that either.
This series has just become so convoluted that I feel like I need to have a wiki open next to me on a laptop to even understand what the hell is going on. It might be fun to try to get 100% in the game, but if it's all just on the same map I doubt it.
Overall it was really underwhelming. It was worth the $2 I suppose, but that's about it.
The gameplay was fun enough, but I haven't played a Metal Gear game since MGS 4 and played MGS3 years ago. I had a hard time understanding or caring about what happened.
I don't really know who any of the major players are outside of vaguely remembering Master Miller. I thought the whole game that Cipher was some sort of organization, but then with the traditional post-credits conversation it seemed like Cipher was Zero. I didn't really get the significance of that either.
This series has just become so convoluted that I feel like I need to have a wiki open next to me on a laptop to even understand what the hell is going on. It might be fun to try to get 100% in the game, but if it's all just on the same map I doubt it.
Overall it was really underwhelming. It was worth the $2 I suppose, but that's about it.
Love Deterrence
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I thought it was awesome the first time, but the second time? Damn, it was so cool seeing the Genome Soldiers patrolling in the snowy setting!
Super late but this caught my attention, I never knew about it, so I went back to that scene frame by frame.
I don't know if it's me, but I see a mask and some red hair, this looks like psycho mantis to me. Why do people think it's Chico?
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Kojima said that we'd be able to walk around each others' Outer Heaven bases in Phantom Pain. While I enjoyed the base management in Peace Walker and am looking forward to it in PP, I hope they don't waste too many dev resources making optional cosmetic shit and the like.
SJRB
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...why not? What's the problem?
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Heck I thought you should be able to walk around Motherbase in PW.
I think it really needs that connection, let me go walk around to see the new buildings or the main recruits like Huey, Amanda, etc.
Thats one reason I really loved the
ZEKE fight.
Graphics Horse
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Super late but this caught my attention, I never knew about it, so I went back to that scene frame by frame.
I don't know if it's me, but I see a mask and some red hair, this looks like psycho mantis to me. Why do people think it's Chico?
It's definitely Mantis (or who we're presuming is Mantis)
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Oh it would be awesome. I just hope it's not at the expense of other development goals.
Gun Animal
Member
Have you played Infamous: Second Son yet?
SS looks great, but has pretty simple/repetitive gameplay.
Man I miss going inside every building, closet and crevice in previous Metal Gear Solid games
Fantastic game, yet somehow i was far more disappointed with the length of Second Son that I was Ground Zeroes.
ComputerMKII
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This is so stupid I almost think Kojima would actually do it.
"“Quiet” who doesn’t have a word will be teased in the story as well. But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds."
ArchedThunder
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This is so stupid I almost think Kojima would actually do it.
It makes perfect sense. 10/10.
This is so stupid I almost think Kojima would actually do it.
"“Quiet” who doesn’t have a word will be teased in the story as well. But once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds."
OH DEAR GOD!
It's so crazy it could actually be true.
Kaz is being slightly sarcastic when he says that, what he means is that by Amanda stating "she's prepared for the worst" it means that she doesn't hold up much hope for Chico being alive and well, and thus that statement is a little "too cheery" considering she is his older sister.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Yes, in one of the tapes when they are in a cell together for the first time Chico tries to talk with Paz and she tells him "to be quiet" and not to talk amongst each other.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Guys, this theory is scaring me. I mean usually I can call bs on all these crazy theories because they make absolutely zero sense and are completely contrived. But, this Chico/Quiet theory makes a lot of fucking sense and I wouldn't put it past Kojima, ugh I really hope its not true.
ComputerMKII
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I haven't seen many theories being confirmed so far in advance so I do hope it's true. The idea is just too crazy to throw it away. If it's wrong I'll be disappointed.
Plus, what would be the taboo, if not this? Child soldiers? Torture? Rape? Haven't all those themes been explored in previous MGS games?
Wrestlemania
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Why would it scare you?
I really wanted Chico to survive GZ so we can see how all those experiences affected him, I just never figured this could be the result. I don't know if it's something I want to see happen to him, but at the same time it is very tantalizing to see if Kojima could pull something like that off.
Ughhhhhhhh, I don't know.
Shit's blowing my mind like Ace Ventura.
"Finkle is Einhorn, Einhorn is Finkle."
Check the closeup of Quiets chest where the picture of Chico's eyes are, there's a tiny dark mark that I suppose could've been the audio plug hole.
Nah, Chico's audio plug is directly in the middle of his upper chest I don't see that on Quiet. However, scars heal so that doesn't disprove the theory. However, it can call the theory into question as why would Kojima put a audio jack in Chico's chest and then never explain why he has that.