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[Parakeetman]

Just because some people use the term that way doesn't mean it's right. Anime is really friggin broad, being a medium that covers multiple art styles including stuff that's all CG. This is anime. So is the entirely rotoscoped Aku no Hana and the super ugly Kingdom.

Thank god for the most part the second season of kingdom ditched a lot of that shit CG they used. Was even more heartbroken by the shit effort that went into Arpeggio of Blue Steel. Not only did they fuck up the characters, they ruined one of the most important scenes with Haruna in it... And the shit CG for the characters in the show. Am a huge fan of the mangas with all of them on the shelf here and goddamn what they did to the show. :/ Seriously if you cant do the story or characters correctly dont make an anime of it. For the love of fucking god. The manga doesnt even seem to be close to being finished either which made me go WAT when I heard that it was in the works. Then when I saw it. Oh hell no happened.

 

[MyWhiteRequiem]

So anime is now a gameplay style?

Yeah, when you're referring to a certain type of fighting game it is. If it makes people feel better, I guess it's more appropiate to say that MvC3's gameplay is "anime-style", but its visuals are not.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

NBA Jam can totally be an anime game!

EA

Revive NBA And NFL street with animu dudes with powers.

Stand slam dunks.
Call in robot assists.

YES

Just go full out MvC style, lol.

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

NBA Jam can totally be an anime game!

Slam Dunk animators fans of Blake Griffin I see!

 

[akachan ningen]

Only good games should bee taken seriously. Anime or no.

 

[fvng]

Just because some people use the term that way doesn't mean it's right. Anime is really friggin broad, being a medium that covers multiple art styles including stuff that's all CG. This is anime. So is the entirely rotoscoped Aku no Hana and the super ugly Kingdom.

If it's all under the banner of anime how do you distinguish something like Studio Ghibli from like something of shit quality like Naruto/K-On, etc. If you tell someone that MGS is anime-styled, you would be not only misleading them but potentially discouraging them. Especially since anime viewership is nose diving in America.

Anecdote :I have an art major friend who loves Ghibli, recommends Miyazaki to her colleagues and friends. Their first reaction is "Japanese animation? ugh" and she has to always retort "No it's nothing like that garbage that you associate with Japanese animation"


She has to make that distinction for them because otherwise they assume they're gonna be watching Moe anime nonsense, and I don't blame her.

 

[Crash Station]

If it's all under the banner of anime how do you distinguish something like Studio Ghibli from like something of shit quality like Naruto/K-On, etc. If you tell someone that MGS is anime-styled, you would be not only misleading them but potentially discouraging them. Especially since anime viewership is nose diving in America.

Anecdote :I have an art major friend who loves Ghibli, recommends Miyazaki to her colleagues and friends. Their first reaction is "Japanese animation? ugh" and she has to always retort "No it's nothing like that garbage that you associate with Japanese animation"


She has to make that distinction for them because otherwise they assume they're gonna be watching Moe anime nonsense, and I don't blame her.

You distinguish it by genre, studio, etc. How do you distinguish Michael Bay's Transformers from the Godfather? It's a medium that unfortunately has a lot of ignorance surrounding it since moe does not make up the majority by any means.

As for the viewership dropping in America, I'm pretty sure that's false. I'm not entirely sure if it's right, but I've heard Crunchyroll and Funimation both see much more interest and profit than the other defunct big companies during their peak years.

 

[King Gilga]

I feel like every good anime style game is taken seriously.

Valkyria chronicles, fire emblem, Catherine, persona, VLR/999 are all respected enough.

I can't think of any good ones that aren't really.

Slam Dunk animators fans of Blake Griffin I see!

Kuroko no basket, I like it but it sure as hell aint no slam dunk. And you'll be hella disappointed going in if you expect it to be.

 

[BGBW]

I thought anime was an art style.

It's a medium.

 

[Dre_G_Writer]

Are there other anime games that play out like a entire anime TV series??? Like the persona series??? When I play that game, I get the feeling that Im playing an anime tv series. I like that.

 

[impact]

Maybe once we get the Obsidian Boondocks RPG. It would be the best anime game of all time. Moe kawaii 12 year old girls be damned.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Maybe once we get the Obsidian Boondocks RPG. It would be the best anime game of all time. Moe kawaii 12 year old girls be damned.

 

[impact]

Princess Kenny is the most kawaii anime girl

confirm/deny

 

[TC McQueen]

They'll be taken more "seriously" when they're good in terms of gameplay, are easily accessible to non-Japanese audiences, and Japanese media no longer has a stigma for being weird and/or really screwed up. As it stands now, you can get a game that fits one or two of those criteria, but that's insanely rare for anime related games.

 

[g23]

Attack on Titan made by Respawn.

Spoiler

or Platinum

 

[Foxyone]

Are there other anime games that play out like a entire anime TV series??? Like the persona series??? When I play that game, I get the feeling that Im playing an anime tv series. I like that.

I'd personally like to see more games like that; something kinda like the South Park game, where everything is 2d and perfectly captures the look and feel of an anime (perhaps with the illusion of 3d, like in an anime, but not real 3d models like in typical jrpgs).

 

[TC McQueen]

I'd personally like to see more games like that; something kinda like the South Park game, where everything is 2d and perfectly captures the look and feel of an anime (perhaps with the illusion of 3d, like in an anime, but not real 3d models like in typical jrpgs).

There's quite a few games that do cel shaded CG that almost perfectly nails the 2D look, so that would good to use.

 

[fvng]

You distinguish it by genre, studio, etc. How do you distinguish Michael Bay's Transformers from the Godfather? It's a medium that unfortunately has a lot of ignorance surrounding it since moe does not make up the majority by any means.

As for the viewership dropping in America, I'm pretty sure that's false. I'm not entirely sure if it's right, but I've heard Crunchyroll and Funimation both see much more interest and profit than the other defunct big companies during their peak years.

Okay I think you're missing the point. I'm saying the image and stigma of Japanese animation in America is so tainted and ruined (to anyone looking from the outside) that a person recommending something like Ghibli, would immediately have to differentiate it from the trash that it is commonly associated with Anime. That stigma is irreversible at this point. You can thank goofy American anime otaku for helping to taint it. And that's not to say that shitty moe/harm stuff doesn't ruin its own medium's reputation

And I'm afraid you're wrong about viewership dropping. Viewership and revenue have been steadily declining for years which is why many American companies have closed down over the past few years. It's why the yearly New York Anime Festival was shut down here in New York (thank goodness, no more cosplayers on 10th/11th Ave)

I'm very thankful that games like MGS and Dark Souls do a great job of obscuring any anime influences that spawned them, so they could be embraced in the west.

 

[Kuro]

Okay I think you're missing the point. I'm saying the image and stigma of Japanese animation in America is so tainted and ruined (to anyone looking from the outside) that a person recommending something like Ghibli, would immediately have to differentiate it from the trash that it is commonly associated with Anime. That stigma is irreversible at this point. You can thank goofy American anime otaku for helping to taint it. And that's not to say that shitty moe/harm stuff doesn't ruin its own medium's reputation

And I'm afraid you're wrong about viewership dropping. Viewership and revenue have been steadily declining for years which is why many American companies have closed down over the past few years. It's why the yearly New York Anime Festival was shut down here in New York (thank goodness, no more cosplayers on 10th/11th Ave)

There was a point where retail anime declined and giants like DBZ lost popularity but digital anime has been surging and a lot of kids read/watch anime online. Cons keep getting bigger too. I don't even know what you have against cosplayers. From your posts it just seems to me like you are very anti-anime. Even a lot of western animation these days is heavily influenced by anime like the show Steven Universe and ATLA/Korra.

Edit: On top of that more and more people are aware of anime than ever before, I have siblings in high school who's classmates all know the popular stuff and even read obscure manga. I'm talking about gangsta jocks reading stuff like Hajime no Ippo.

 

[fvng]

There was a point where retail anime declined and giants like DBZ lost popularity but digital anime has been surging and a lot of kids read/watch anime online. Cons keep getting bigger too. I don't even know what you have against cosplayers. From your posts it just seems to me like you are very anti-anime.

I'm not anti-anime, though I'm not a fan of it. I will make SOME exceptions for games with anime art style (Valkria Chronicles, Ni No Kuni, Drakengard 3)... but for the most part I feel like anime character design are uninspired/unremarkable.

Who is quantifying how many people are reading/watching anime online? I'm assuming you mean online scanlations and fansub streaming? I'm not a fan of depriving companies of revenue, so if you support that, you are giving companies the false impression that there is no demand for anime since revenue is dying (which has been the trend for a few years now)

Which cons are getting bigger? Any sources? I only bring up NY Anime Festival because it was big news when they decided to shut down in a huge market like NYC, due to dwindling interest.

 

[Crash Station]

Who is quantifying how many people are reading/watching anime online? I'm assuming you mean online scanlations and fansub streaming? I'm not a fan of depriving companies of revenue, so if you support that, you are giving companies the false impression that there is no demand for anime since revenue is dying (which has been the trend for a few years now)

Crunchyroll aren't fansubs, it's a legitimate streaming service with a large number of subscribers and it's growing all the time. The profits they make from subscribers is definitely nothing to scoff at. At this point, it's the Steam of anime in the west, even if it hasn't quite reached that size.

I'm not anti-anime, though I'm not a fan of it. I will make SOME exceptions for games with anime art style (Valkria Chronicles, Ni No Kuni, Drakengard 3)... but for the most part I feel like anime character design are uninspired/unremarkable.

Nier is pretty anime too.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Well, the hardcore community loves Persona, don't they? That's as anime as it gets.

 

[ricardokenshin]

Crunchyroll aren't fansubs, it's a legitimate streaming service with a large number of subscribers and it's growing all the time. The profits they make from subscribers is definitely nothing to scoff at. At this point, it's the Steam of anime in the west, even if it hasn't quite reached that size.

I think funimation (ugh) does streaming too.

 

[fvng]

Crunchyroll aren't fansubs, it's a legitimate streaming service with a large number of subscribers and it's growing all the time. The profits they make from subscribers is definitely nothing to scoff at. At this point, it's the Steam of anime in the west, even if it hasn't quite reached that size.

I see, you meant crunchy roll, was not sure if you meant those shady streaming sites that stream fansubs. Any data on C.R. viewership/subscribers increasing? source?

 

[Kuro]

I'm not anti-anime, though I'm not a fan of it. I will make SOME exceptions for games with anime art style (Valkria Chronicles, Ni No Kuni, Drakengard 3)... but for the most part I feel like anime character design are uninspired/unremarkable.

Who is quantifying how many people are reading/watching anime online? I'm assuming you mean online scanlations and fansub streaming? I'm not a fan of depriving companies of revenue, so if you support that, you are giving companies the false impression that there is no demand for anime since revenue is dying (which has been the trend for a few years now)

Which cons are getting bigger? Any sources? I only bring up NY Anime Festival because it was big news when they decided to shut down in a huge market like NYC.

Crunchyroll, Funimations, Netflix, and Hulu all have streaming anime and it seems like its growing with new additions all the time. Also, what kind of medium do you think doesn't get uninspired designs? Western games? Indie games? Every medium has a nice big chunk of shitty art but also some games with fantastic design. Anime is a victim of pandering to otaku but there are still plenty that have great designs. Unfortunately when it comes to a lot of games they are made for otaku thus having boring design. There are still games with fantastic art though like Fire Emblem and Bravely Default, etc. I don't think bad art design is inherent to video games from Japan based on the style of their animation. As for the OP, Anime games aren't taken as seriously these days simply because of the decline of Japanese games in general. Final Fantasy was huge back in the day.

 

[Giolon]

I'm not anti-anime, though I'm not a fan of it. I will make SOME exceptions for games with anime art style (Valkria Chronicles, Ni No Kuni, Drakengard 3)... but for the most part I feel like anime character design are uninspired/unremarkable.

Who is quantifying how many people are reading/watching anime online? I'm assuming you mean online scanlations and fansub streaming? I'm not a fan of depriving companies of revenue, so if you support that, you are giving companies the false impression that there is no demand for anime since revenue is dying (which has been the trend for a few years now)

Which cons are getting bigger? Any sources? I only bring up NY Anime Festival because it was big news when they decided to shut down in a huge market like NYC, due to dwindling interest.

AnimeExpo in LA breaks attendance records every year, even while there was a competing con the same weekend. Otakon successfully expanded from Baltimore to Las Vegas this year and they plan to do it again next year. I've read about other anime cons having record attendance levels in the last year too.

On streaming, what cosmicblizzard said:

Crunchyroll aren't fansubs, it's a legitimate streaming service with a large number of subscribers and it's growing all the time. The profits they make from subscribers is definitely nothing to scoff at. At this point, it's the Steam of anime in the west, even if it hasn't quite reached that size.

Plus Funimation has their own major streaming service, and a conglomeration of Japanese companies started Daisuki last year for streaming, though I have no idea how successful it is. Lastly, many of the shows streaming on these services also stream on Hulu. Fansubs have never been more irrelevant than they are today (at least for the US. Other parts of the world are IP blocked from a lot of these legal streaming services).

 

[fvng]

Nier is pretty anime too.

Like I said, I make some exceptions, and Nier is not overkill with anime aesthetics. thank goodness they went with papa nier instead of brother Nier over here.

 

[vocab]

Brother nier is so fucking anime.

 

[Crash Station]

I see, you meant crunchy roll, was not sure if you meant those shady streaming sites that stream fansubs. Any data on C.R. viewership/subscribers increasing? source?

I found this from over a year ago. 200k paid (remember, you can still watch stuff with a free subscription, only a week later) subscribers 6 months after reaching 100k. It's definitely much higher now after the popularity of stuff like Attack on Titan and Kill la Kill.

But yeah, CR isn't the only streaming site out there. On Hulu, you'll generally see stuff like Naruto topping the charts, and we're talking about a very big site here. And that's even before we take into account Funimation, Netflix, and the recent addition, Daisuki. It's a growing market.

So yeah, anime interest is definitely not dead. It's just almost completely evacuated retail, just like PC games.

 

[Deap92x]

Anime and the people who like it can't be taken seriously, just go to a convention n u will know what i am talking about haha lol

 

[vocab]

Anime and the people who like it can't be taken seriously, just go to a convention n u will know what i am talking about haha lol

Okay.

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Are there other anime games that play out like a entire anime TV series??? Like the persona series??? When I play that game, I get the feeling that Im playing an anime tv series. I like that.

Resonance of Fate does exactly this, and it does it well. It even has the obligatory Christmas episode!

 

[vocab]

Yakuza more or less plays out like an anime. The finale always has hot guys taking their shirts off on roof tops. If that's not anime, then I don't know what is.

 

[gngf123]

Anime and the people who like it can't be taken seriously, just go to a convention n u will know what i am talking about haha lol

 

[fvng]

It's a medium that unfortunately has a lot of ignorance surrounding it since moe does not make up the majority by any means.

On top of that more and more people are aware of anime than ever before, I have siblings in high school who's classmates all know the popular stuff and even read obscure manga. I'm talking about gangsta jocks reading stuff like Hajime no Ippo.

Anime and the people who like it can't be taken seriously, just go to a convention n u will know what i am talking about haha lol

Deap's post is exactly what I meant before regarding the stigma surrounding anime in America. I don't blame Deap92x. There's a lot of skeevy shit in anime or corniness in the fandom that turns people off to it, even if there are legitimately innovative/creative anime series/films.

Moe/Harem anime is literally the opposite of whatever a gateway drug is. Gateclose Anime. You see it and run in the other direction.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Moe/Harem anime is literally the opposite of whatever a gateway drug is. Gateclose Anime.

Which is funny because a lot of gateway anime earlier on could be classified as harem anime (i.e. Ranma, Tenchi Muyo, Oh My Goddess, Love Hina).

 

[fvng]

Brother nier is so fucking anime.

dodged a bullet in the usa

*salutes flag*

 

[Village]

Maybe once we get the Obsidian Boondocks RPG. It would be the best anime game of all time. Moe kawaii 12 year old girls be damned.

Still moe

 

[Ragingnight]

Madoka, FMA, Attack on Titans, and etc would make good games period. You just need a company that can implement it correctly.

Also lol

Anime and the people who like it can't be taken seriously, just go to a convention n u will know what i am talking about haha lol

People who like anime aren't just one big cohesive group. Its quite often you have groups with clashing ideas and shit. I like anime and have been to AX (mostly for the game room) for like 5-6 years? I know there some creepy shit (jessica nigri booth) but at the same time there are chill people that just like a specific genre of anime and don't care about the rest.

 

[RedSwirl]

This thread smells strongly of the 'every anime art style looks the same' bullshit.

Man, I've been waiting the whole thread for someone to post an image like this.

If it's all under the banner of anime how do you distinguish something like Studio Ghibli from like something of shit quality like Naruto/K-On, etc. If you tell someone that MGS is anime-styled, you would be not only misleading them but potentially discouraging them. Especially since anime viewership is nose diving in America.

Anecdote :I have an art major friend who loves Ghibli, recommends Miyazaki to her colleagues and friends. Their first reaction is "Japanese animation? ugh" and she has to always retort "No it's nothing like that garbage that you associate with Japanese animation"


She has to make that distinction for them because otherwise they assume they're gonna be watching Moe anime nonsense, and I don't blame her.

That's because most people mistakenly believe anime to be a genre or style. It's not. It's a medium. There are various subgenres and styles within anime and manga.

People in America have the same misunderstandings about comic books, thinking they're all just superheroes. If it weren't for the movies based on them mainstream consumers might have the same reaction to 300 or Road to Perdition upon simply hearing they're comic books. Really, anime and manga are pretty much just Japan's version of our comic book culture. Both are ultimately niche and misunderstood by the general populace.

And your friend probably should've just suggested the movies themselves (or one of them) without mentioning they're anime at all.

You distinguish it by genre, studio, etc. How do you distinguish Michael Bay's Transformers from the Godfather? It's a medium that unfortunately has a lot of ignorance surrounding it since moe does not make up the majority by any means.

As for the viewership dropping in America, I'm pretty sure that's false. I'm not entirely sure if it's right, but I've heard Crunchyroll and Funimation both see much more interest and profit than the other defunct big companies during their peak years.

Anime popularity in America got hit pretty bad after the bubble of the early 00's burst. The general economic slump also wasn't kind to the industry on either side of the Pacific. Though, streaming and cons are steadily growing.

 

[Schweinehund]

It will take some Arkham level games to convince me that anime adaptions can be good.

I don't have a problem with the anime art style.

 

[10k]

The Tales of game series feels anime like. But developers need to take the genre seriously before players do and not expect fans of the series to swallow anything with said anime slapped onto it.

 

[Crash Station]

Really, anime and manga are pretty much just Japan's version of our comic book culture. Both are ultimately niche and misunderstood by the general populace.

Anime sure, but manga is most definitely not niche in Japan. It dwarfs the comic book industry in America by a pretty large amount, and that's with a population 1/3 the size. It's essentially mainstream.

 

[Uthred]

Moe/Harem anime is literally the opposite of whatever a gateway drug is. Gateclose Anime. You see it and run in the other direction.

Because everyone likes the same thing, thats why all the threads on here are full of people endlessly agreeing with one another.

 

[Eusis]

Anime sure, but manga is most definitely not niche in Japan. It dwarfs the comic book industry in America by a pretty large amount, and that's with a population 1/3 the size. It's essentially mainstream.

Probably what happens when diversity isn't choked out earlier on thanks to a combination of moral watch dogs and a few titans wanting their key business kept safe.

 

[foxuzamaki]

This thread smells strongly of the 'every anime art style looks the same' bullshit.

Damn right

 

[RedSwirl]

Anime sure, but manga is most definitely not niche in Japan. It dwarfs the comic book industry in America by a pretty large amount, and that's with a population 1/3 the size. It's essentially mainstream.

Probably what happens when diversity isn't choked out earlier on thanks to a combination of moral watch dogs and a few titans wanting their key business kept safe.

That's what I was about to say. In some ways the manga industry resembles what the American comic book industry might look like if the Comics Code Authority never happened. Ironically, the manga industry is potentially facing that same problem today if a broadly-worded loli ban ever get's passed.

For those that don't know, the last couple of times the Japanese government tried to pass it, manga artists revolted claiming the law was so broadly worded that it would cause the industry to self-censor.

Anyway, I wonder how Franco-Belgian comics compare.

 

[Dre_G_Writer]

Still moe

damn, they are beating the shit out of her. got dayum.

man, Ive only seen the first season of the boondocks.

 

[Videoneon]

I take anime games pretty seriously. I beat Tales of Xillia long ago but there was something about it that was particularly disgusting.

The Jude-Leia relationship. Leia is truly the only one for Jude, and yet Jude ignores her and is instead slavishly devoted to Milla. Milla's perception of Jude graduates from pet to some snoozefest thing about respect for a dude that teaches her about humanity. There is no love here, it's painful. How could Jude do this? This is what he's missing out on:

+a great complement to his personality
+someone who knows him well
+genuine concern for personal well-being (a bit fucked up to cite this when the person already likes you, but whatever, she is genuinely concerned for him, and in a non-abusive/equal level unlike Milla or Elise)
-someone with weird ideas about how girls and guys write

What a scumbag. He's worse than Luke. Plus there's that abominable scene on Jude's side where

Spoiler

the loss of Milla and her guidance so severely incapacitates him that he can't bring himself to come to Leia's aid as she's fighting for both his and her lives against Alvin. Plus his delayed reaction to her getting shot. Plus his sudden decision to confess his love for Alvin and abandon Leia. Plus his being cold to her while in whatever the hell that town was that Elise was locked up in.

And throughout cutscenes and skits prior, he doesn't really take her seriously. What sort of world do we live in where waifus are treated so terribly?

That's when I realized. There is no justice. Only hate.

 

[todd360]

That's when I realized. There is no justice. Only hate.

If you want justice, you've come to the wrong place.