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Winter-Spring 2014 Anime |OT3| People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time
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Zeus Thunderous.
Sure, Bioware. There were no third gender until they came along. All those third gender hipsters are all just crazy Bioware fans.BioWare really is influencing Japan though, because we have this stupid third gender bullshit (but she happens to have the sex characteristics of a woman because otherwise it'd be boy on boy and that is yucky).
But beyond the look, this is yet another shounen power up mech show. Zzzz.
Also, if you think Sidonia is going to be a shounen show, you are wrong.
At the ignore function. The way he is writing his opinion makes clear that he don't want to change it, even if offered argumentation and facts.
edit: oh god, I just read more of that thread. This is partially painful.
PdotMichael
Banned
Sidonia is a must-watch just for the HUD porn.
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders Episode 2:
Not sure how I feel about the New OP just yet, I think it just need time to grow on me. Shame that the new ED is not ready and I am doubtful Roundabout is going to make a return, just about anything will be a step down from that. Anyway, much stronger episode this time around now that most of the exposition is out of the way,
Not sure how I feel about the New OP just yet, I think it just need time to grow on me. Shame that the new ED is not ready and I am doubtful Roundabout is going to make a return, just about anything will be a step down from that. Anyway, much stronger episode this time around now that most of the exposition is out of the way,
Oooh, pleeease
ThreePiMatt
Member
Angel Beats 1-6 - So, about halfway through this. I guess its not terrible, but its kind of all over the place. It seems like its just about to transition into becoming much darker, but its hard to kind of take it seriously. And I can definitely see what people are saying about not-Haruhi, I mean, they could have kept the personality without copping the look as well.
AquaWateria
Member
I dont want to be a dick but the animation for Ping Pong looks awful to the eyes, but I'll admit it is unique from what you usually see.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Welp as far as I'm concerned they delivered on the OP. I was gonna watch it all the way anyway but now I can get hyped before it starts.
Just to use this post as an opportunity to jump in, I've been thinking about these kinds of subjects lately with the recent discomfort expressed by some on the overall state of the thread, and I'd like to put in my own perspective on the matter.
AnimeGAF isn't just a reserved space for anime talk on a larger forum, it's also a defined culture derived from the people posting in it and how they post in it. Furthermore, for any defined gathering of people, the type of people you include causes exclusion of others to some extent, and the exclusion of some can promote inclusion to some extent. In other words, you need to make decisions as to what sort of gathering you want, and you can't have it all. If things get too stuffy, then people who are more interested in light-hearted discussion get alienated, while if things get too hectic and inane, then those more interested in serious discussion get alienated. Here at AnimeGAF we've tried to strike a balance that promotes critical discussion while also open to having fun, and this balance has actually been a known selling point for certain members because it offers a different environment from other possible venues for anime discussion. This balance is hardly static as old posters move on of their own accord and new posters join in with new ideas and attitudes, and as it shifts over the weeks and months then tension arises over it as they feel that if things move too far then it removes the reason why they're here in the first place.
However, I'd argue here that part of the problem is that sometimes existing posters take their own environment for granted. It's not as if new posters are inherently bad, but they might not be familiar with the expectations and they aren't being helped in meeting those. Ultimately, if you want to affect the culture of a place, then you can't just complain and expect others to do all the heavy lifting. This is something I'm not guiltless of myself, actually, but going forward I'll try to contribute more than I have.
Now, what are these expectations? I think one might say that most of it falls under engagement. If you're going to discuss something, then you need to have an actual conversation over points rather than talking past each other or shouting out into the wind. Naturally not everything can be reciprocated, and episode impressions in particular are more advertisements for engagement than engagement in their own right. Good impressions offer others a clear view of what you thought about something so they are interesting, amusing, or enlightening in their own right, and provide room for further discussion even if it never actually happens. Simply saying "I like X!" "I like Y!" "I like Z!" does not lend itself to good conversation just like "X sucks!" "NO U" doesn't offer anything of merit either. Furthermore, the idea that everything is mere opinion implies that there is never anything more to say and is antithetical to critical discussion.
Another point that people should do is be able to break things down. Some people are going to be more experienced or knowledgeable about this than others, and that's perfectly fine. What it really comes down to is being able to recognize that even if something is good as a whole, perhaps not all of its parts were. All the same, some shows can be bad as a whole, but contain elements that were good. The conversation of what these parts are, how they work overall, and why they might work or not work is the basis for critical discussion. For example, one of my favorite anime is Revolutionary Girl Utena, but I'm able to recognize a bunch of things it falls short on, and one of them is fight choreography after the first story arc. It becomes entirely phoned in and even recycles fights outright. Now, there are other things going on in the show and even during those fights, but if interesting battles are important to somebody I can easily understand why Utena would be less appealing to them as much as I think it does wonderfully otherwise. Everyone has different priorities when it comes to what entertains or interests them, but there is an entire world of substantive discussion in how shows go about fulfilling or not fulfilling those priorities.
As an aside here, it's also helpful if people are open and honest about what they care about. If literally all that matters to you is seeing cute girls, high-energy action, or whatever, then say so. To make it more constructive, also acknowledge the other aspects as well. Saying something like "This show was really sloppy, but man did it scratch that itch" is perfectly fine.
Another point I would offer is to remember that we're a community. We're not just carrying a conversation, but also sharing experiences. This is why many people want to be watching the same thing, for good or ill. If it's great, then everyone benefits with the discovery of something worth watching. If it's awful, then everyone can commiserate and reach an understanding of what caused them grief. That's why it's not inherently bad to watch shows you don't like overall--after all, some of us do have a strong sense of morbid curiosity--but if you're going to do so you should try to turn the situation into something constructive, basically as if you were doing a post-mortem. "Oh man, this sucked" might be true, but there are usually lessons to be learned from failures and they help us appreciate when things go well. It's almost like medical research where they figure out how the brain works by going over example of brains where specific aspects of it were injured and thus provide insight into the whole.
Again, the goal is to have a place where meaty discussion of anime can happen, but also leave room for people to have silly fun as well. It should be understood that the pendulum will swing a little along the way and people should have patience when others take a page or two doing something they may not find personal interest in.
Jex
Member
This is the case 97% of the time anyway!
Just to clarify - do you mean the animation as in the way that the characters move, or the art style i.e. the look of the backdrops, the character designs etc.? I can completely understand it not being someone's preferred art style, for instance, but I don't know if you mean that or the actual movement.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Don't tell anyone, but outside of the yaoi undertones, I actually liked K. It wasn't perfect but it had good action and an interesting premise, but the execution could've been done better and I hope the movie fixes that. It was like if The World Ends With You had an anime.
knights of sidonia - 1
it's quite detailed everywhere and I like the stylized shading they have but boy it's so stiff
Just thinking how good this could be if it was just made in 60 fps, I don't think even it would be more expensive really. I feel they just want to mimic low frame 2D animation and it will never work.
Will keep watching for now forphotosynthesissci-fi space mecha nonsense.
I saw the first episode but didn't post my thoughts. If I had to say something, I'd say my biggest issue with the show right now it's the frames per second. While the really bland CG animation bothers me since all character designs look so fucking stiff and uninspired, the way every character moved like if there was one frame or two frames missing each time they took a step really bothered me.
I'll give the show props in one regard though. If they were attempting to do a typical trope in sci fi stories about a cold and distant future... they did it right. The atmosphere, the people and just the human warmth you usually see in a society was gone. It felt mechanical, cold, artificial. If they did this on purpose kudos, if not then you better pretend you did it on purpose because it was the thing I liked about your show. It took balls. What didn't take balls is having three female characters I assume are triplets who fucking will live on in my nightmares with their dead eyes.
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On an unrelated note I feel like I'm spending too much time here when I had a nightmare that NeoGAF got hacked and a mod's account was taken. Then the hacker proceeded to post all of this information about us, like the names of our family members. But most importantly, they gave me a tag that said "Duckroll's #1 regret in not banning when the chance appeared" and I was all :O!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I think I can draw better than the Ping Pong animators, or is it an art style 0_0
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It's partly rotoscoped.
Theonik
Member
Go ahead.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
I think it's time for me to watch another List show.
Thinking either Garzey's Wing or Yami
Guide me Corvo and AnimeGAF!
Thinking either Garzey's Wing or Yami
Guide me Corvo and AnimeGAF!
Admiral Woofington
Member
Btw I haven't been posting thoughts on Space Bros or Hajime No Ippo. But I need to say two things about the former.
It's impossible to not root for this bastard. Holy shit what a likable and relatable bastard.
also
Better love story than twilight.
I feel like this is another anime that'll make my top 10. We'll see but I'm tired of finding shit that upsets the delicate balance of Woofington's top 10 list.
It's impossible to not root for this bastard. Holy shit what a likable and relatable bastard.
also
Better love story than twilight.
I feel like this is another anime that'll make my top 10. We'll see but I'm tired of finding shit that upsets the delicate balance of Woofington's top 10 list.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Talk about Sidonia,it's pretty coincidentally that Sidonia&Arpeggio manga started at same year(2009),both are seinen manga,both TV anime announced at the same time(2013 May),both use full CG
And both have bear character
This is what happens when all you consume is low grade light novel garbage. Sorry, but it's true.
If Sidonia gets half as good and rounded despite the original not being finished as Ars Nova I'm gonna be happy.
Also: nice avatar. Best girl.
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If you mean Break Blade, then yes.
Yes but it's not new. It's just a re-editing of the 6 movies into 12 episodes, with some new footage.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Ohh I shall remember this. Don't have time right now, gotta finish my exams first.
I see. I still don't think it explains the art.
Deputy Dangle
Member
Mushishi S2 - 2
That ending hit me hard, wow. May very well be one of my favorite episodes. Dat bird sakuga.
That ending hit me hard, wow. May very well be one of my favorite episodes. Dat bird sakuga.
What's there to explain? It looks great.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Like others said, it isn't new. Which disappoints me. But then again the manga doesn't have that much more material to work with, it chugs out pretty slowly.
But now it'll be an even BETTER top 10 list. You're upgrading!
I really don't get bothered by people "hating everything", I actually think it's a lot of fun to read their opinions, and it's interesting that I already know that when some users get offended by a show, there's a good chance that I'll find it at least "fun".
What does bother me is that some people hate "light novel garbage" so much that they feel that it's entirely justified to spoil stuff without tags or anything. But even then, it's not really a big deal, the spoilers don't tend to be very heavy.
Something that I don't expect other members to care (because they shouldn't, it's none of their business) but I feel that a lot of people forget is that, even though this is an english language forum, it's still an international forum, not everyone here has english as their native language, so I don't think I could contribute to an elaborate discussion, even if I really wanted to, simply because my english is not good enough, I don't have enough knowledge to articulate my points as much as some other people do. Again, I don't expect anyone to give a shit because that's none of their business, but it would be a shame to be excluded from a community I've grown to really like because of that, that's why I wouldn't want the split. I like to read elaborate posts too, even if I can't contribute to the discussion at all.
The reason I feel like a lot of people forget about that fact is when I see some posts complaining about sites/people using the original names instead of the official localized ones. Some animes get to the brazilian Crunchyroll with their english name for some reason, but it's mostly japanese names. Koiuta is Koiuta, how can I be wrong for using Koiuta instead of The Pilot's Love Song when I wouldn't even know what the hell that was without googling Koiuta?
I always get the idea that whenever I start watching this, I'll love this character. I don't know why.
What does bother me is that some people hate "light novel garbage" so much that they feel that it's entirely justified to spoil stuff without tags or anything. But even then, it's not really a big deal, the spoilers don't tend to be very heavy.
Something that I don't expect other members to care (because they shouldn't, it's none of their business) but I feel that a lot of people forget is that, even though this is an english language forum, it's still an international forum, not everyone here has english as their native language, so I don't think I could contribute to an elaborate discussion, even if I really wanted to, simply because my english is not good enough, I don't have enough knowledge to articulate my points as much as some other people do. Again, I don't expect anyone to give a shit because that's none of their business, but it would be a shame to be excluded from a community I've grown to really like because of that, that's why I wouldn't want the split. I like to read elaborate posts too, even if I can't contribute to the discussion at all.
The reason I feel like a lot of people forget about that fact is when I see some posts complaining about sites/people using the original names instead of the official localized ones. Some animes get to the brazilian Crunchyroll with their english name for some reason, but it's mostly japanese names. Koiuta is Koiuta, how can I be wrong for using Koiuta instead of The Pilot's Love Song when I wouldn't even know what the hell that was without googling Koiuta?
Btw I haven't been posting thoughts on Space Bros or Hajime No Ippo. But I need to say two things about the former.
It's impossible to not root for this bastard. Holy shit what a likable and relatable bastard.
also
Better love story than twilight.
I feel like this is another anime that'll make my top 10. We'll see but I'm tired of finding shit that upsets the delicate balance of Woofington's top 10 list.
I always get the idea that whenever I start watching this, I'll love this character. I don't know why.
Thanks for this post.
I like constructive discussion. I like learning about things I haven't seen and understanding why people enjoy the things they like. People may watch shows that I don't like or not, but as long as we can meet and discuss what we enjoy, hopefully everyone will get something from it.
For the last few seasons, I felt like I wasn't really participating much because I was busy or didn't feel like watching anime or whatever. And I understood some of the frustration that was boiling over when everybody got heated. But complaining about it, or walking away, won't make things better. So for that reason (and because I have a lot more free time now), I want to participate more.
One person posting can't change the entire thread singehandedly. But posts can inspire responses, and those responses can tilt the culture of a thread. Hopefully, we can wind up with a middle ground where everyone's happy and people feel respected enough to participate and swap criticisms.
Admiral Woofington
Member
You're a better top 10 list
Moral Panic
Member
I hate when I write long posts and no one replies so I wanted to make sure that I responded.
I think theres a huge tendency (especially when it comes to entertainment) to tie one's likes to themselves, if this person is calling what you watch shit, the reaction is as if you were personally insulting them. At the same time though, I also agree that some hate circle-jerking goes on where people who like the show/thing are unable to talk about what they enjoyed because they are too busy trying to defend their tastes. I myself am trying my best to avoid going into KILL la KILL threads, or questioning the taste of people who think the show was great. At this point It doesn't add to anything, just arguments for the sake of it. But despite knowing this, it does still feel bad to be locked out of a discussion because you don't hold the community view.
I also agree with you about being able to criticise shows you love and talking how they could be improved. I think the best posts are when people go into depth about a show, whether it is from a general summation after a show is done, or an episode summary that says more than "SO GOOOD" or "Terrible". I don't know if the suggestions to split the thread were genuine, but for me I'd be all for splitting, low content posts into another thread. I don't know if it would be practical, but the alternative is having to make a new thread in off-topic whenever you want to write something long or rolling the die that your post doesn't get buried in AnimeGAF.
JoJo-2
Oh boy at that 2 minute recap at the start of the episode. Then you have Dio later go over the exact same stuff. Come on.
I would say that the animation level in this episode was sorta inconsistent. Also was the enemy Stand supposed to switch colors like that? Like it just turns purple without any explanation.
The new OP is easily my favorite out of the past ones. One thing I've never liked about the David Production of JoJo is the way they draw the characters. I've never read the manga so I don't know how accurate it is to the source but there are too many edges at times. I prefer the designs in the OP (although they're CG) over what we have in the actual show.
Oh boy at that 2 minute recap at the start of the episode. Then you have Dio later go over the exact same stuff. Come on.
I would say that the animation level in this episode was sorta inconsistent. Also was the enemy Stand supposed to switch colors like that? Like it just turns purple without any explanation.
The new OP is easily my favorite out of the past ones. One thing I've never liked about the David Production of JoJo is the way they draw the characters. I've never read the manga so I don't know how accurate it is to the source but there are too many edges at times. I prefer the designs in the OP (although they're CG) over what we have in the actual show.
Egregious spoilers should be avoided, but the total blackout philosophy that has become more popular recently is toxic to both discussion and community and should be avoided.
Like I said, that's entirely fine. We all have to start somewhere. The main thrust is to get people to try a bit harder than they might otherwise, to be open to learning new things, and to be open to breaking things down as best as they can.
AquaWateria
Member
The artsyle is what I dont prefer, but like I said I think its unique.
For what it's worth I think your English seems fine from your various posts including this one. Maybe it's a case of self-confidence? You don't seem to have much difficulty expressing yourself there, and I certainly think it would help improve your language skills by practicing more instead of deciding not to engage in discussions because of a concern that you're not able to express yourself well enough. If you feel like you have something worthwhile to say say about something you've seen, or want to discuss/critique certain aspects of show, don't be afraid to just go for it. It certainly doesn't have to be super eloquent. To be honest, I don't think the standard here is particularly high!
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Yes, actually. Since Araki can never, EVER decide what the canon colors for anyone's anything are (in color spreads people's clothes and hair are inconsistently colored) DP just decided to color everything every color.
Dedication Through Light
Member
I think it works good for Ping Pong and makes it feel somewhat special and unique, certainly makes it different than the other sports anime that have been done relatively recently. And adding the sound to it further enhances the experience.
Only issue I had was the one scene where it goes up to the sky and there is so much white and bright that I couldnt see anything, though maybe I need to find someway to fix my screens settings just in case there was something happening on screen then.
It just reminds me of the purple bricks in Shingeki. I mean the Stand's name has green in it, so you would sorta expect it to be green. Then it just turns to purple. It's sorta jarring.
Oh, I definitely agree, I didn't even complain about having
an actual incestuous relationship
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That's just the way it do. In later parts, females change to males and midgets become towering Adonis just because
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I guess its the shaky lines ( most likely deliberate), the lack of detail and difference in character and background art that made me think that.
AquaWateria
Member
This is what happens when all you consume is low grade light novel garbage. Sorry, but it's true.
Those garbage LN that you mention have a appealing artsyle compared to Ping Pong so yeah.
Anyways im not attacking Ping Pong just saying that visually it looks jarring, but its unique in a way I guess.
PshycoNinja
Member
The English dub of DBZ is superior in every way. It's not even debatable. So there are exceptions to the rule.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Wrong, Wakamoto voices Cell making it better in at least one way.
For what it's worth I think your English seems fine from your various posts including this one. Maybe it's a case of self-confidence? You don't seem to have much difficulty expressing yourself there, and I certainly think it would help improve your language skills by practicing more instead of deciding not to engage in discussions because of a concern that you're not able to express yourself well enough. If you feel like you have something worthwhile to say say about something you've seen, or want to discuss/critique certain aspects of show, don't be afraid to just go for it. It certainly doesn't have to be super eloquent. To be honest, I don't think the standard here is particularly high!
Thank you, it certainly is a case of self-confidence, I very often write lenghty posts (usually on the Gaming side) but end up closing the tab without posting because I'm afraid it will just sound stupid to someone more fluent than me, I'm a bit of a grammar nazi in portuguese myself, so I definitely know how painful to read a poorly written post can be to some people.
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