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Microsoft Earnings: 1.2 million Xbox One's shipped in Jan-Mar, 5.1M total (3.9+1.2)
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The cheapest I saw it in the US was $450, I didn't see anything at $400 or less.
BigSpleenRupture
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450 with game, 400 without = same price.
Also many places did in fact go as low as $399.
it is a problem for sure, as next few months PS4 gets more games and exclusive marketing for Watch Dogs. By the time MS gets some games out, it might be too late. Even indie games take a while to do and exclusive AAA games take years, so even if MS changed the shift and prioritizes the "game" part of XB1, it will take a long time for it to show.
Also partners like EA will be less likely to even do exclusive deals with MS, if by the end of the year we have 16 million PS4's and 9 million XB1's sold.
And no matter what they do, there will always be power difference between them.
So time to do something drastic is now, as even few months from now it could be too late.
Really...places sold the XO for $399...? Where?
edit: also, $450 with game, is not the same as $399 without.
Obviously inofficial pricedrops from selected retailers won't do the same as an offcial pricedrop.
BigSpleenRupture
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Some retailers dropped it to 399 for a few weeks, I think walmart was one, google it. Either way 450 with a free titanfall is the same price really as a ps4 without a game, I believbe it also came with a free year of live.
StealthGoblin
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So there are about 1 million Xbox One's on shelves. Margin is larger than last quarter. That has to be worrying.
Mengy
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Well, thats really bad this early on. They need to do a price drop, sooner than later.
Yea, that's not how retail works with peoples buying habits but I see what you mean. $450 is a higher number than $400 and thats what people see unless they are already in the market for a console.
I'm still not sure who had it for $399 though. Anyone in particular?
shinra-bansho
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The statement was already posted earlier.
I really don't get how people take "channel inventory drawdown" to imply anything about cessation of production.
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I really don't get how people take "channel inventory drawdown" to imply anything about cessation of production.
:s
Demand still seems to be fairly strong for this thing, just not as strong as the PS4. They did fuck up by shipping too many, it's almost comical now how large the stacks of unsold XBOs you see at stores. You definitely don't want that associated with your product. Who knows, maybe word of mouth on Kinect 2.0 will spread now that most of the UI bugs are fixed and people will want to try it for themselves. I don't really think a Kinect-less bundle will help them at this point, they need to make the more product more attractive regardless of price. Some good marketing would help.
I suspect people who even really wanted a Xbox One and Titanfall or those willing to "jump ahead" to the new generation don't want Kinect. They could get away with £329.99/$349.99/349.99 and cut Kinect out of the box.
MS would be selling more consoles at a faster rate if they ditched the Kinect and the controversial "spying/NSA" issue with Kinect.
GoofsterStud
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It was $399 w/free for a on amazon, eBay, and more. Titanfall was down to $430, but the $450 Titanfall bundle with a free year of Xbox live was more appealing.
BigSpleenRupture
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People are not idiots, they see one system with a big well known game for free, one without a game. Who buys a new system with no games? Sorry, a x1 with a free $60 Titanfall is essentially the same price as a ps4 without. Bundles work it's why companies use them often.
BigSpleenRupture
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How? Nothing indicates strong demand at all.
The sales last month say otherwise. I'm not saying bundles don't work, but I think the final ringup price is a huge deal in the US, added value or not. Obviously the bundle didn't spur a lot of sales.
One problem there: not everybody loves Titanfall.
A $399 PS4 and buy any game you want, or a $450 XO with a game you don't care about...not the same
This obviously ignores other purchase decision factors but the point is made
And you underestimate the advantage of being able to advertise for $399, versus $450 with free game. Being $399 for a couple of weeks is also not the same as being $399 for 20 weeks.
BigSpleenRupture
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With all the advertising, close to price parity..... There is still very little difference there, an extra 50 at this point probably doesn;t do much else.
You dont need to want titanfall, you can re-sell it immediately and get close to full price. It also came with a year free of live, even more value.
BigSpleenRupture
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That says more about X1's demand, which is the point. It's ludicrous to say price is the only actor, if that were the case ipads would not be outselling vastly cheaper tablets.....It is a gross over simplification.
The fact remains that the price was still $450 overall, and even paired with the biggest game of the year for MS, it still failed to outsell PS4, a console with "no games". There's more problems there than what can be fixed with a simple price cut.
BigSpleenRupture
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Yeah thats what I am saying.
Yeah, heavy non-official retail-driven pricedrops did not help Wii U. Console needs to be desirable to attract customers, which is a battle that is clearly won by PS4 right now.
BrokenEchelon
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The fact that the Wii U still has a million+ lead gives one an irrationsl hope that Nintendo can still turn things around.
BigDaddyFatSack
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Impressive considering xbox still hasn't launched in many other countries.
BigSpleenRupture
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LMAO this again...we all know how many xbox's will sell in Costa rica...... these countries add %5 sales max, and are sony dominated. Xbox is already in the territories most of its sales come from.
Mengy
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True, the price is a factor but not the only one. I'd say a bigger factor is that people just don't want to pay more money for a console while there is a cheaper and more powerful alternative. That's a much bigger problem in my opinion, and one that is not easily corrected.
Yea, that extra 200k will help a lot. /s
Ok, but nobody said "price is the only factor", except for you just now. Price just happened to be what we were talking about.
Crimson_Gold
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I'd really like to know how many consoles Microsoft will sell in these countries. Japan will not be a major market for the x1 and the remaining tier 2 companies already have x1s available for purchase at major retailers.
BigSpleenRupture
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You implied it being more expensive was why ps4 still outsold in march.....I disagree. It is obvious what you were implying...... They were basically the same price anyway.
It's not going to matter much. Most of the tier 2 countries are very small (Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, etc) and are usually considered Sony country. The launch of the Xbox One is not going to make much of a difference since you can already buy imported Xbox Ones and there's not that much demand for them since they can be easily had while PS4s are usually out of stock.
The remaining tier 2 countries like Japan, India and Russia have huge populations but don't matter for worldwide sales. Japanese sales are going to be a fraction of PS4 sales while at the same time gamers are moving away from traditional gaming consoles. Russian gamers are only going to be an Xbone if its hacked. Indian console sales are laughably small.
So what do you think Indian sales are going to be for the Xbox One after five years? 100K? 150K?
Launching in tier 2 countries is going to improve Xbox One sales only slightly. Microsoft's battlegrounds remain the US and UK, the rest of the world is already Sony country.
Yea.....nah. I didn't say that at all. I said that they weren't the same price. I'm not implying in any way that XB1 would outsell PS4 at price parity, I just think its disingenuous to say thats the same price despite it literally not being the same price. I see now that you seem to be arguing about that, but you're definitely barking up the wrong tree there.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Even if each country only sells 50K units that's still an extra million (based on 20 countries, idk how many extra they are launching in this Sept off top of my head) that would put them closer to Sony World Wide sales and not let Sony have 100% control over the region for nothing. Not like it's anything special, but still, you should understand why some people bring it up.
t_wilson01
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I think gaming was not the main focus of Kinect being bundled with every Xbone. Instead it was the advertising potential of having a camera keeping track of what brands you buy so they could target ads.
DragonSworne
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BigSpleenRupture
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PS4 has not sold that much in those territories, you expect x1 to sell more then ps4 there?? Again, these tiny territories make up%5 sales max, they wuill add a couple thousand a week max. Keep in mind sony outsells xbox there by a big margin as well.
Some people bring it up because they don't realise how insignificant these are for xbox.
Crimson_Gold
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This would mean Sony would not sell any more units in those countries during this time. That's highly unlikely. Those countries are not going to do much to close the ever widening gap. By the time September hits, those countries will be will entrenched as PS4 regions based on sales.
Cthulhu_Steev
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I really wish they'd launched worldwide, just to stop these comments.
On a sidenote: I also wish they'd stuck to their original vision of DRM discs, second-hand sales, always online and whatever family sharing was going to be. We'll never know now whether it would be a success or a disaster - even though we can make a strong assumption for the latter - but it wouldn't being interesting to see what they market actually did with it.
Banjo-Kazooie
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People bring it up because noone really has any idea since it hasn't happened yet. It could be the same price in september as PS4 there for all we know.
I get what you mean, it won't sell anything close to significant, but it will certainly sell more than they are selling now.
That's not what I mean... I meant that if MS launched in those countries with Sony then WW numbers would be a bit closer. Obviously they didn't and obviously it has helped to hurt them (to a degree, as smal las that degree might be).
BigSpleenRupture
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It's still a silly thing to bring up, people saying x1 is doing well considering it is not in these countries are trying to make it sound they will make a big difference, they won't. Also x1 is easy to get in those countries now.
A bit... A tiny bit perhaps.
There's no chance in hell that the bone will sell 50K on avarage in each of those countries.
maybe on year basis. actually scrap that aswell.
I am not from the USA but Kinect and the marketing of the Xbox One and the multimedia features all screamed "This is for muricah!" to me.
I'd bet X1 will still be behind PS4 during September month despite the new launches.
JetSetRadio
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In my opinion the gap will only get wider.
Banjo-Kazooie
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I'd agree with most of what you are saying, merely trying to play devil's advocate right now.
I wouldn't say it's "silly" to bring up as it adds to the discussion, but silly to try and say that they would be neck in neck would be correct.
I suppose you are right, the more I look at the countries on the list (also found out the number is 26 countries not 20)
For sure. I don't think anyone would bet against that
freakzilla149
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So, since so much of this thread revolves around the price and possible price cuts for the Xbone, can we discuss/speculate PS4 pricing strategy?
Is there room to maneuver for the Sony? In either case, what are the possible reactions from Sony in the event of a price cut for the xbone? What would be the best thing to do given that Sony doesn't want to haemorrhage cash and should still want to main or grow their lead?
Is there room to maneuver for the Sony? In either case, what are the possible reactions from Sony in the event of a price cut for the xbone? What would be the best thing to do given that Sony doesn't want to haemorrhage cash and should still want to main or grow their lead?
It gets wider every day.
