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[AniHawk]

Yeah this was definitely something else that popped into my mind. As much as I personally would like Nintendo to do an on-stage conference it might not make sense if they're holding back on announcements since they're going to have to wait things out until they release new hardware in a couple years or so.

i think the stage conferences have an additional problem, and that's if things get shuffled around at the last minute, the results can be really shitty. i believe that's what happened to nintendo in 2005 when they spent a good long fucking time talking about electroplankton. it's not instantaneous work, but it's a lot easier to edit out a trailer you decide you don't want to reveal from a video than cut it out of a live presentation.

and really that's what these things are becoming anyway- presentations. in the past, and with smaller companies, press events are usually trailers and some info like release dates about games, maybe some partnerships and maybe some sales figures. it's not meant for the general public- it's meant for the press to tell to the general public. like, the entire reason of having a press conference was so you wouldn't need to put on a whole show for everyone to see because the press was going to do all your work for you. now these things are streamed and broadcast on television and they really don't have the same feel they, now that companies are increasingly aware people are watching. but even so you get stuck with things like people talking about tv for 10-15 minutes (sony), and/or bad attempts at humor (every third-party ever). if all you're going to do is a show, then from a conceptual level, why does it have to be live and what are you gaining that you couldn't do from a tighter pre-filmed show? that's not a rhetorical question either. these are things that should be considered when planning a show.

 

[Dark-VIII]

It's time...

congratulation friend
you've won E3 before it even started XD

 

[foxuzamaki]

You really should listen to me a bit more on this.
I mean, granted, it's just my opinion... but of course gaming press is going to be negative about it, because they are being cut out of the conversation. When you start promoting and talking through 'owned channels,' then you get the traffic. You're basically taking traffic away from press outlets, and letting consumers participate without their lens.

The press hasn't been kind to them for awhile, so this let's the main messaging get out to potential purchases through Nintendo's rose-tinted view. The sad part is, it works, but it mostly has to happen because of the vitriol the media is giving them in the first place. It's a cycle, just look at all the negativity today in what should be a big win for 'core fans,' since they are actively being called to take part in experiencing something that was typically reserved for elite access press.

People really should listen to you more.

 

[Riki]

John Harker really nailed it a few pages back. This is all about the bad blood that the Press and Nintendo allowed to fester.

Nintendo certainly could have been more open to the press over the years but the Press has consistently been down on Nintendo and generally negative even when good things happening.

Why should Nintendo cater to a group that is more than likely going to shit on what they do even if what they do is great for gamers.

It seems to me Nintendo is going out of its way to be more open than ever to the gamer themselves. I mean constant access to treehouse developer stuff etc. all through E3. Its not just about a few lucky press getting behind door meetings and then bragging about what they saw. Everyone who wants to see it gets too now.

Exactly. Which is why it's so weird that gamers are getting angry about this.
Nintendo is doing more for us than any other company at E3 this year.
They are catering to us like never before.

Fuck the journalists in their dying field of work. Give me more of this good shit.

 

[-Horizon-]

Sorry, closest I could get, gifcam kept on messing up during the inside mech parts

It's time...

This thread man, this thread.

 

[Cody_D165]

It's time...

Holy shit.

 

[Mory Dunz]

that hurt the direct at e3 last year. imagine the reaction had the first mention of games like x, tww hd, mario 3d world, mario kart 8, a link between worlds, and the yoshi games happened during that direct?

.

That's what I've been saying.

 

[Tripon]

i think the stage conferences have an additional problem, and that's if things get shuffled around at the last minute, the results can be really shitty. i believe that's what happened to nintendo in 2005 when they spent a good long fucking time talking about electroplankton. it's not instantaneous work, but it's a lot easier to edit out a trailer you decide you don't want to reveal from a video than cut it out of a live presentation.

and really that's what these things are becoming anyway- presentations. in the past, and with smaller companies, press events are usually trailers and some info like release dates about games, maybe some partnerships and maybe some sales figures. it's not meant for the general public- it's meant for the press to tell to the general public. like, the entire reason of having a press conference was so you wouldn't need to put on a whole show for everyone to see because the press was going to do all your work for you. now these things are streamed and broadcast on television and they really don't have the same feel they, now that companies are increasingly aware people are watching. but even so you get stuck with things like people talking about tv for 10-15 minutes (sony), and/or bad attempts at humor (every third-party ever). if all you're going to do is a show, then from a conceptual level, why does it have to be live and what are you gaining that you couldn't do from a tighter pre-filmed show? that's not a rhetorical question either. these are things that should be considered when planning a show.

I personally think people want something like the Oscars or Grammys, or even something like the VGA/X, and that's just not possible anymore.

At some point, if you want high production values, you're going to have to do something.

 

[Neiteio]

Oh man, the E3 gifs are here already. Good stuff!

 

[atr0cious]

Man I wish someone would make a gif with the girl in the meeting talking to Reggie about future plans and when Reggie mentions E3 she says " I thought you weren't going to E3 this year?" Then he blasts her with the laser eyes.

Shit...Now I want to see that. I command somebody make that..! No I demand!

Everybody gets one

Beaten as well. I wanted to use Kuchera's recent piece, but the juicebox couldn't even put any content in the thing. So I was projecting a more than little bit while making this.

 

[javac]

It's time...

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Researchers, developers, testers, and the rest of those so-and-sos and the years of work they put in to bring a console to fruition are an anachronism. In the modern era, you can whip out new hardware willy-nilly.

Get with the times, you fogey.

okay make it 3x more powerful than PS4 and use Miiverse cloud processing
also has to be $149.99

a new console this soon is not like Nintendo at all, it would not change 3rd party support problems. it could be 10x more powerful than current gen and publishers like EA would still be anti-Nintendo just a feeling

 

[ShockingAlberto]

People want the pomp and gravitas of those events, really. And in fairness, they've been accustomed to it. People treat E3 like Christmas because it always has been Christmas. Taking that away from people causes understandable rage because it's like being told that you're still going to get the same gifts, but there's no tree, no carolers, no snow, and no Christmas dinner.

 

[Riki]

People want the pomp and gravitas of those events, really. And in fairness, they've been accustomed to it. People treat E3 like Christmas because it always has been Christmas. Taking that away from people causes understandable rage because it's like being told that you're still going to get the same gifts, but there's no tree, no carolers, no snow, and no Christmas dinner.

But they are still getting all that. It's more like they're still getting gifts but now the tree and lights are made of fiber optics and the carolers are doing dubstep.

 

[Somnid]

People want the pomp and gravitas of those events, really. And in fairness, they've been accustomed to it. People treat E3 like Christmas because it always has been Christmas. Taking that away from people causes understandable rage because it's like being told that you're still going to get the same gifts, but there's no tree, no carolers, no snow, and no Christmas dinner.

On the bright side, you don't have to go to Church in the morning.

 

[Tripon]

But they are still getting all that. It's more like they're still getting gifts but now the tree and lights are made of fiber optics and the carolers are doing dubstep.

And their cousin from the next state over can participate via skype.

Really, Smash at Best Buy should be a bigger event that it is currently is. People are going to come out for this.

 

[chadboban]

Everybody gets one

Beaten as well. I wanted to use Kuchera's recent piece, but the juicebox couldn't even put any content in the thing. So I was projecting a more than little bit while making this.

Don't worry man, I got two and I couldn't be happier, amazing work!

 

[NandN3DS]

It's time...

Wow!But true.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

i think the stage conferences have an additional problem, and that's if things get shuffled around at the last minute, the results can be really shitty. i believe that's what happened to nintendo in 2005 when they spent a good long fucking time talking about electroplankton. it's not instantaneous work, but it's a lot easier to edit out a trailer you decide you don't want to reveal from a video than cut it out of a live presentation.

and really that's what these things are becoming anyway- presentations. in the past, and with smaller companies, press events are usually trailers and some info like release dates about games, maybe some partnerships and maybe some sales figures. it's not meant for the general public- it's meant for the press to tell to the general public. like, the entire reason of having a press conference was so you wouldn't need to put on a whole show for everyone to see because the press was going to do all your work for you. now these things are streamed and broadcast on television and they really don't have the same feel they, now that companies are increasingly aware people are watching. but even so you get stuck with things like people talking about tv for 10-15 minutes (sony), and/or bad attempts at humor (every third-party ever). if all you're going to do is a show, then from a conceptual level, why does it have to be live and what are you gaining that you couldn't do from a tighter pre-filmed show? that's not a rhetorical question either. these are things that should be considered when planning a show.

Yes, but having a big fucking stage show is a show of force, a major event that showcases the power and influence of a gaming company. If you were someone who knew jacksquat about the industry, would you invest in the company with the digital press event? Or the one with the massive fucking stage show with pyrotechnics, celebrity guests, and light shows?

I'm not saying Nintendo isn't right for doing this, but in this day and age, more than ever, we as a society value style over substance. What's more troubling is that this society all have voices that can be reached by the billions.

 

[rocketskates]

These gifs.

This thread.

I love E3 season.

 

[one_kill]

Yes, but having a big fucking stage show is a show of force, a major event that showcases the power and influence of a gaming company. If you were someone who knew jacksquat about the industry, would you invest in the company with the digital press event? Or the one with the massive fucking stage show with pyrotechnics, celebrity guests, and light shows?

I'm not saying Nintendo isn't right for doing this, but in this day and age, more than ever, we as a society value style over substance. What's more troubling is that this society all have voices that can be reached by the billions.

So you're saying that if you've got a big dick, you better whip it out for all the girls/guys to see just to show your "power" and "influence"

 

[Riki]

Yes, but having a big fucking stage show is a show of force, a major event that showcases the power and influence of a gaming company. If you were someone who knew jacksquat about the industry, would you invest in the company with the digital press event? Or the one with the massive fucking stage show with pyrotechnics, celebrity guests, and light shows?

I'm not saying Nintendo isn't right for doing this, but in this day and age, more than ever, we as a society value style over substance. What's more troubling is that this society all have voices that can be reached by the billions.

I would invest in the one that had the games I wanted...
What kind of question is that? Do you buy a console because they had a flashy E3? That's pretty bad...

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Shouldn't have used the same battery for Reggie that they use in the gamepad

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

So you're saying that if you've got a big dick, you better whip it out for all the girls/guys to see just to show your "power" and "influence"

That is exactly what I am saying. Yes.

 

[Riki]

Shouldn't have used the same battery for Reggie that they use in the gamepad

You want it to take 6 weeks to charge?

 

[Codeblue]

Everybody gets one

Beaten as well. I wanted to use Kuchera's recent piece, but the juicebox couldn't even put any content in the thing. So I was projecting a more than little bit while making this.

The "Fire Iwata" bit is perfect. This GIF is perfect.

 

[OminousShadow]

It's time...

Lol. Amazing gifs like this means E3 season is officially upon us. I'm hyped

 

[onilink88]

okay make it 3x more powerful than PS4 and use Miiverse cloud processing
also has to be $149.99

a new console this soon is not like Nintendo at all, it would not change 3rd party support problems. it could be 10x more powerful than current gen and publishers like EA would still be anti-Nintendo just a feeling

I was hoping my post was dripping with enough blatant sarcasm that it'd shoo away Poe. Guess it just doesn't work that way.

 

[John Harker]

I know people don't like to hear this, but the #1 focus of e3 is actually retailers. The behind closed door demos to showcase your products to the walmars and game stops to get your orders up. With streaming it's becomes more important for press, sure, but really it's primarily an announcement point to kick off pre order programs. It's pretty successful when the announcement is big enough - but no one pre orders Nintendo games anyway, so why not take an approach to talk directly to fans? They'll never get the press coverage they want organically.

 

[one_kill]

That is exactly what I am saying. Yes.

Nice, I agree dude

It makes sense

If I was an investor, I'd certainly pick companies that wow me in terms of the spectacles they displayed during a press conference. No worries about financials and other shit. If I see Alison Brie on stage then you could definitely count me in.

 

[BatDan]

I was hoping my post was dripping with enough blatant sarcasm that it'd shoo away Poe. Guess it just doesn't work that way.

I think he was responding to your sarcasm with more sarcasm.

... I think. It's really damn hard to tell these days.

 

[Riki]

I know people don't like to hear this, but the #1 focus of e3 is actually retailers. The behind closed door demos to showcase your products to the walmars and game stops to get your orders up. With streaming it's becomes more important for press, sure, but really it's primarily an announcement point to kick off pre order programs. It's pretty successful when the announcement is big enough - but no one pre orders Nintendo games anyway, so why not take an approach to talk directly to fans?

This is why I always find it funny that people cry about Nintendo breaking the "tradition" of E3.
E3 was never a consumer show. It was always a retailer show. We never got to see it until very very recently.
Modern E3 is a bastardization of what it once was, where multiple industries were showing off their new toys and gadgets and games to retailers and investors. Then companies turned it into a show with dancers and washed up celebrities.

 

[GamerJM]

Everybody gets one

Beaten as well. I wanted to use Kuchera's recent piece, but the juicebox couldn't even put any content in the thing. So I was projecting a more than little bit while making this.

Better version IMO. Both of them are great though.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Those are nice supplements but these work well in addition to an on stage presence. I'm sorry but a well executed live press conference will always always trump a canned video. You have the crowd at the event, the single focus of game fans and media all locked in at your message at once, and if you can pull it off it creates a buzz that can carry.

IMO Sonys press conference with the end about price, no DRM, etc wouldn't have been as effective if it was in a Sony direct that was released out in the wild during some point before E3

 

[RagnarokX]

so a couple things.

last year nintendo was in actual panic mode. price drop on wii u, crazy-good bundles, announcing a bunch of games that were 18-24+ months away (they haven't done this in ages). now they've sort of settled into the mess they've made for themselves.

that hurt the direct at e3 last year. imagine the reaction had the first mention of games like x, tww hd, mario 3d world, mario kart 8, a link between worlds, and the yoshi games happened during that direct?

well, a year later and there's no saving the wii u. it's pretty clear. i speculated that this would be a sort of rebuilding generation for nintendo. they squandered the opportunity to build during the wii era and prepare themselves for this gen, and didn't understand their own success. so they have to find out how to endear themselves to people now, sort of like how sony did during the ps3 era and how microsoft is as of late. if it means holding back on announcements and reveals, that's probably what it means. the drip feed of info from january through june was pretty good, but it left some wanting more when it mattered most.

so i'm expecting a couple actual 'surprise' announcements (mostly stuff we could guess like majora's mask 3d and/or a new paper mario), along with some good real info on games we haven't actually seen (including x and yarn yoshi, which we've literally seen, but don't know very much about). i'm also expecting the presentation not to be iwata in a white void talking about things. the indication from the name of the event and the past few nintendo directs is that they are putting more into the presentation effort this time.

I thought their E3 was fine last year. People put way too much stock in "surprises". Sure they told us they would show Mario, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros at E3 but we still hadn't seen any footage of them, and they still managed to keep DKCTF mostly secret. And regardless all of those games looked awesome.

It's a double edged sword but I think they learned from last year that they should save more announcements for E3 and not tease them, but this leads to people thinking they have nothing planned (they are fucked no matter how they handle it). They also seemed to learn that people care very strongly about the names of things and so they decided not to call the event an "E3 Direct" again. People keep arguing that there is some magical force stopping people from watching a Direct who would otherwise watch a conference stream so they fixed that. People are still arguing that this will somehow not reach the audience that would otherwise watch it if it were a tradition conference so I guess they failed there.

 

[Riki]

Those are nice supplements but these work well in addition to an on stage presence. I'm sorry but a well executed live press conference will always always trump a canned video. You have the crowd at the event, the single focus of game fans and media all locked in at your message at once, and if you can pull it off it creates a buzz that can carry.

IMO Sonys press conference with the end about price, no DRM, etc wouldn't have been as effective if it was in a Sony direct that was released out in the wild during some point before E3

Yeah, Sony not screwing over gamers was such an amazing announcement to see on stage.

Spoiler

That was sarcasm in case it wasn't painfully obvious.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I mean

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that the stage show is one of force, but

Can we stop pretending the shows have anything but a few memorable moments in all of them? Like, aside from the "We're not doing anything different (btw also paid multiplayer)" moment from Sony's conference, what leaps out at you about that show? Because the only other thing I remember was Ubisoft giving a demo of AC4 that crashed on stage. The only thing I remember from the year prior was "Great job, Jeremy" from a game I can't remember if it ever even came out. I don't remember Microsoft's at all except being livid about Dead Rising 3's demo and there was probably a long Call of Duty demo in there, too. Damned if I remember either Ubisoft or EA's conferences.

Yes, these press conferences are basically quasi-orgasmic blazes of hype and the great benefit is the mainstream coverage you get from them. But the conferences themselves are mostly boring tedium.

 

[foxuzamaki]

a company spent millions of dollars on thing. that's how you know thing is good, when millions of dollars are spent on thing.

hahaha perfect

 

[Mr. Bamboo]

It's amazing how I go to sleep really happy and excited from that Nintendo video, and I awake to find pessimistic news articles. I am more intrigued by what a Nintendo Digital Event implies than I am saddened that they aren't having a proper press conference.

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Edit:

Originally Posted by DrForester

It's time...

______________

XD Aaaaah, I understand now.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

You know, just because the Digital Event is streaming doesn't mean it will be prerecorded. They could have live bits too. Really, we still have no idea what they're doing.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It's time...

 

[GamerJM]

You know, just because the Digital Event is streaming doesn't mean it will be prerecorded. They could have live bits too. Really, we still have no idea what they're doing.

What would the benefit of it being live be if it's digital? I think I'd prefer it being prerecorded if it's digital.

 

[BY2K]

You don't like it?

Edit: Where was the "Great job Jeremy" bit from, again?

 

[Terrell]

You know, just because the Digital Event is streaming doesn't mean it will be prerecorded. They could have live bits too. Really, we still have no idea what they're doing.

This seems possible.

I mean, if it were just a Nintendo Direct, that's what they would call it. The new name and all the other stuff happening around it suggests it will be more (or at least different) than a standard Direct.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

You don't like it?

I don't give a shit the context, looks like he does.

 

[royalan]

People want the pomp and gravitas of those events, really. And in fairness, they've been accustomed to it. People treat E3 like Christmas because it always has been Christmas. Taking that away from people causes understandable rage because it's like being told that you're still going to get the same gifts, but there's no tree, no carolers, no snow, and no Christmas dinner.

I think the biggest source of confusion in these "Should Nintendo do a press conference?" threads is that the "pro-Direct" people don't realize that the "pro-conference" people aren't arguing from a personal place.

Like, on a basic level, the fans insisting that Nintendo hold a press conference will be satisfied either way because we're getting what EVERYONE can agree is important: new info on games.

So when people argue that Nintendo should hold a conference, it's not to imply that games aren't important or we just really want a conference that badly. No, it's arguing from a business perspective. There are very real, very tangible benefits to hosting a press conference; Nintendo is missing out on this and not supplying an adequate alternative. But for some reason whenever this thread pops up it just gets awashed with "Why does it matter!? WE"RE STILL GETTING GAMES." That's not the point.

Like this Smash tournament. As a fan, I think this is a sweet idea. But it's still more of the same preaching to the choir that Nintendo's been doing. Just a little louder.

 

[AniHawk]

Yes, but having a big fucking stage show is a show of force, a major event that showcases the power and influence of a gaming company. If you were someone who knew jacksquat about the industry, would you invest in the company with the digital press event? Or the one with the massive fucking stage show with pyrotechnics, celebrity guests, and light shows?

I'm not saying Nintendo isn't right for doing this, but in this day and age, more than ever, we as a society value style over substance. What's more troubling is that this society all have voices that can be reached by the billions.

well that's the thing is that these are still press conferences. they're not actually meant for the mainstream public, and they're not supposed to be flashy and showy. big auditoriums get rented out mostly to impress these people and wow them, not the mainstream public. most people never hear that nintendo rented out nokia theater or sony had a thousand people in attendance or whatever. that information only matters to an extremely small group of people.

if sony and microsoft really wanted to invest in a big flashy show, they could totally do it and buy airtime on television. microsoft actually did that with the xbox 360 reveal and who knows if it did them any good (if it did, the change in management makes it hard to discern why they didn't do it for xbox one). and if you're going to have a live show, then you probably won't need the press to be there, negating the whole reason for having a press conference in the first place.

 

[one_kill]

I think the biggest source of confusion in these "Should Nintendo do a press conference?" threads is that the "pro-Direct" people don't realize that the "pro-conference" people aren't arguing from a personal place.

Like, on a basic level, the fans insisting that Nintendo hold a press conference will be satisfied either way because we're getting what EVERYONE can agree is important: new info on games.

So when people argue that Nintendo should hold a conference, it's not to imply that games aren't important or we just really want a conference that badly. No, it's arguing from a business perspective. There are very real, very tangible benefits to hosting a press conference; Nintendo is missing out on this and not supplying an adequate alternative.

Like this Smash tournament. As a fan, I think this is a sweet idea. But it's still more of the same preaching to the choir that Nintendo's been doing. Just a little louder.

They're still at E3. They're there with demos and representatives.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I think the biggest source of confusion in these "Should Nintendo do a press conference?" threads is that the "pro-Direct" people don't realize that the "pro-conference" people aren't arguing from a personal place.

Like, on a basic level, the fans insisting that Nintendo hold a press conference will be satisfied either way because we're getting what EVERYONE can agree is important: new info on games.

So when people argue that Nintendo should hold a conference, it's not to imply that games aren't important or we just really want a conference that badly. No, it's arguing from a business perspective. There are very real, very tangible benefits to hosting a press conference; Nintendo is missing out on this and not supplying an adequate alternative. But for some reason whenever this thread pops up it just gets awashed with "Why does it matter!? WE"RE STILL GETTING GAMES." That's not the point.

Like this Smash tournament. As a fan, I think this is a sweet idea. But it's still more of the same preaching to the choir that Nintendo's been doing. Just a little louder.

The choir isn't singing, with their wallets, at least. Maybe they need to be preached to, first.

 

[Riki]

I think the biggest source of confusion in these "Should Nintendo do a press conference?" threads is that the "pro-Direct" people don't realize that the "pro-conference" people aren't arguing from a personal place.

Like, on a basic level, the fans insisting that Nintendo hold a press conference will be satisfied either way because we're getting what EVERYONE can agree is important: new info on games.

So when people argue that Nintendo should hold a conference, it's not to imply that games aren't important or we just really want a conference that badly. No, it's arguing from a business perspective. There are very real, very tangible benefits to hosting a press conference; Nintendo is missing out on this and not supplying an adequate alternative. But for some reason whenever this thread pops up it just gets awashed with "Why does it matter!? WE"RE STILL GETTING GAMES." That's not the point.

Like this Smash tournament. As a fan, I think this is a sweet idea. But it's still more of the same preaching to the choir that Nintendo's been doing. Just a little louder.

What benefits will Nintendo be missing from what they are doing now that they would get on a live conference?

Also, how is a Smash tournament Nintendo just preaching to the choir when they have been dead set against these things for years?