The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marc’s Webb

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If there's one thing I would say about the marketing for this movie, is that it's fucking crap. Looking back, they showed way too much of this, including that final shot. I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter since you don't know the context until you see the film, but my god. Whenever Amazing Spider-man 3 time rolls around I'll be avoiding the trailers like the fucking plague... and for Sinister Six.
 
If there's one thing I would say about the marketing for this movie, is that it's fucking crap. Looking back, they showed way too much of this, including that final shot. I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter since you don't know the context until you see the film, but my god. Whenever Amazing Spider-man 3 time rolls around I'll be avoiding the trailers like the fucking plague... and for Sinister Six.

what i wanted in this movie was no villains at all (though that would probably flop)

a film with just these villains and no parker or Spider-Man? lmao. I won't even watch it on cable. Spider-Man 3 has my sword though. I'm not expecting a great film. It'll never get there with these writers. But I'll be entertained.
 
So was I the only one who actually really enjoyed the first few minutes with Peter's dad? I thought that whole opening was really great.

Movie overall was excellent imo, but I also happen to have a huge Ultimate Spider-Man bias. Not fond of the Raimi films, but I loved the first ASM. This was far and away the best of the bunch, despite its flaws. German scientist was really unnecessary, the ending scene really shouldn't have been handled the way it was, and the plot in general doesn't really feel like it flows naturally.

Regardless, I loved the characters, dialogue, and action setpieces. I'd definitely watch it again, and I'm really happy I saw it in theaters. The music was fantastic, and Electro had an enormous presence every time he was on screen thanks to the booming audio.

Damn that scene when GG got Gwen. If I'm Spider-man and someone got my girl like that, yeah I'll go and get her but my heart must have beaten so fast. Gwen's face while falling make me feel for her it seems like if I know I'll die and that's it for me, that would be my face.

It's really painful to watch the way she died. It's more brutal than the comics but that's not a bad thing for me. Sony and Marvel did not pussy out by killing her that's for sure. No goodbyes and last words must be so messed up. I'm glad that they did not go cheesy but man, that probably hurts so bad.

Haha, I have a weird habit of projecting my own life and experiences onto whatever's happening on screen and can get really emotionally invested as a result. When he grabbed her and I got reminded of my girl I was like "peter you'd better fuck that guy up", lol.
 
I thought Rhino was goofy (but he always is), Electro was really neat (Dillon was awkward but I enjoyed the awkwardness), and Harry-Goblin was just great to me.

I really did like Electro's overall presence and how he seemed to keep developing as the film went on. I liked how he was just this sort of blue dude or whatever at first, then when Harry broke him out he felt more like some kind of omnipotent god, hovering in the air and shit.

I didn't hate Electro, but he was the weak point of the film, for me anyways. And I thought Dane Dehaan as Harry/Goblin stole the show. I got chills when Goblin shows up at the end. The way he just flew in and started circling Spider-Man and Gwen on his glider, laughing. Loved it.
 
The argument seems to be that the death was important in the comics because Spiderman was responsible for her death, but in the film she died because his web didn't quite catch her in time and the nerds are pissed because they think he wasn't directly responsible.

But he is directly responsible, or at least that's the way he sees it. If he would have stayed away from her like George Stacy suggested, and not make that I LOVE YOU on the bridge which kept her from leaving for college then and there, she wouldn't have died. If he would have let her go, she would have lived.

It's the same thing, just executed differently. He's still responsible for her death regardless. This is why I said it's fucking retarded. They're only bitching because it's not detail by detail verbatim with how it goes down in the comic, and are completely disregarding the film's context. Yes, Gwen made the choice to come help Peter, but if she hadn't, those two airplanes would have collided resulting in mass fatalities. So her being there was justified, but it doesn't make Peter less responsible for her death. He certainly didn't anticipate that when he drew her away from going to England that the Electro shit would go down and that Harry would show up with a vendetta, but it all happened because he didn't just let her go to England.

What are you talking about? Have you even read this thread? Also, Peter didn't deter her from going to England. He was going to go with her and be Spider-Man there. :lol

Nobody is pissed about it not adhering to comics. I'm the last fucking person who thinks these films need to be measured by how close they are to the comics, and instead think they need to be judged as something standalone.

The point I was making earlier is that the filmmakers have created a story in which the "hero" is an unlikeable, selfish and most of all irresponsible twat. In this film they tried their hardest to make it so that Peter wasn't responsible for Gwen's death, but simply felt responsible. He hadn't learned anything from his cuntiness of the first film.

Gwen running around yelling 'This is my choice to be here!' was the most obnoxiously obvious example of this.

Even worse is that despite all of Peter's conflicts not to be with Gwen and perhaps let her go, after it all, he says he'll let her go to London... but he's coming too! And he can be Spider-Man there! lol Just honestly the dumbest asshole ever. He has no sense of responsibility and when they could have made Peter really learn what it was with Gwen's death, they did everything they could to simply turn her into collateral damage.
 
Whoever was in charge of sound design and music in this movie should never work again. I mean, am I crazy or did I hear lyrics during that first Electro fight?
 
Did it? I thought the sound was her neck snapping. Anyway, it was done well and at least looked like his mistake in the comics.

Nah, that thud was her head hitting the ground. Was surprised they actually showed it so bluntly, though I'm really glad they did.

And honestly I liked it this way better because what kind of dumbass doesn't know about the whiplash effect seriously

It's very clearly his fault that she died, and I have no idea how that's even up for debate here... the whole point of the movie was to show the danger that comes with him getting cocky about his abilities. He thought he could balance everything at once and save the day, but he'd hit his limit. Without Gwen, the planes would have collided, but even with her help he ended up nearly getting himself killed and losing her in the process.

Peter, up to this point, felt like he was invincible. He had his doubts about staying with Gwen, but ultimately was not rigid enough about it. Gwen's death is proof that this isn't the case, and he's learned that. I don't know how this isn't a genuine character arc here, or how he's alleviated of guilt completely. If he'd just let her go she never would have gotten hurt.
 
Nobody is pissed about it not adhering to comics. I'm the last fucking person who thinks these films need to be measured by how close they are to the comics, and instead think they need to be judged as something standalone.

Yes, I've seen people that are upset because it didn't adhere to the comics. I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the Youtube video that goes on and on about how it was wrong because it wasn't like the comics.

And yes your opinion of Peter being a "cunt" is very well documented. I still disagree with it, possibly more than ever, but yes, it's duly noted.

And no, I haven't "read the thread" yet because I just saw the film only hours ago. But thanks for reminding me that you hate it and think Peter is a "cunt," I can never get enough of it!
 
Yes, I've seen people that are upset because it didn't adhere to the comics. I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the Youtube video that goes on and on about how it was wrong because it wasn't like the comics.

And yes your opinion of Peter being a "cunt" is very well documented. I still disagree with it, possibly more than ever, but yes, it's duly noted.

And no, I haven't "read the thread" yet because I just saw the film only hours ago. But thanks for reminding me that you hate it and think Peter is a "cunt," I can never get over it!

Apologies. Didn't know you were responding to the video. Didn't mean to come off as a Peter Parker.
 
If there's one thing I would say about the marketing for this movie, is that it's fucking crap. Looking back, they showed way too much of this, including that final shot. I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter since you don't know the context until you see the film, but my god. Whenever Amazing Spider-man 3 time rolls around I'll be avoiding the trailers like the fucking plague... and for Sinister Six.

I avoided trailers and I still feel like I saw that final shot about 100 times

pretty sure it was part of every commercial for the film, too.
 
Apologies. Didn't know you were responding to the video. Didn't mean to come off as a Peter Parker.

Psh you don't need to apologize to me, you know me better than that. :p

I avoided trailers and I still feel like I saw that final shot about 100 times

pretty sure it was part of every commercial for the film, too.

Definitely. I avoided the last few trailers and even seem to remember that shot. After seeing the trailer I did manage to avoid after seeing the film, I may not even opt to watch any trailers for ASM3. I know I will, but I survived this one pretty good.
 
Just saw this. I liked most of the plot points of the movie, however, I think they kind of failed on execution a bit. So many things seemed to be just a bit off about the movie. I really didn't like either the characterizations of electro or Harry Osborne at all. Especially for Harry it seemed weird. I understand that they were trying to tackle him in a different way from the previous trilogy but did they really have to make him a complete idiot? I'm fine if they just make him evil, but he is seriously supposed to be one of spiderman's greatest enemies, why in the hell is he a bumbling moron that cant string together a logical thought?

Aside from that, I have to say that Oscorp really doesnt feel right to me. The way it's portrayed doesn't really sit right with me. The inside politics seem way too petty to me. Its not just that, but it is hard for me to explain why this portrayal fails for me, so I'll leave it at that. I felt this way in the first movie as well, but I guess it didn't bother me as much.

I still like Garfield as spiderman. I think he does it really well. It's just a shame that the rest of the movie cant be better.

Edit: The Rhino was awesome though!!
 
Gwen, you bitch, you've never given up on anything in your life! Now fight! FIGHT. FIIIIIIIIGHT! FIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiight.

But seriously, I tried not to laugh when she was clearly dead and Peter started saying 'Stay with me, stay with me, stay with me.'
 
And honestly I liked it this way better because what kind of dumbass doesn't know about the whiplash effect seriously
Probably the same dumbass who didn't try magnetising his webshooters

But yeah, I thought his arc was well done. It's nice build up with all the scenes where his spider sense kicks into overdrive (stopping the bus, stopping those people from touching the hand rails) and he tries to save everyone and succeeds every time. But this last time he just can't do it.
 
Whoever was in charge of sound design and music in this movie should never work again. I mean, am I crazy or did I hear lyrics during that first Electro fight?

The character is something of a paranoid schizophrenic, so they played with the idea of the voices in his head making their way into the music. Experimentation. Risks. Truly some career ending stuff.
 
The character is something of a paranoid schizophrenic, so they played with the idea of the voices in his head making their way into the music. Experimentation. Risks. Truly some career ending stuff.

Seriously... that was really creative and cool. I very much enjoyed that aspect.
 
He wasn't over Gwen's death at all. The final scene suggested that he was ready to try and move on to get over it, but months and months passed and at the end he decided that Spider-man was needed, and went back to the job.

At all? He was packing up his stuff and moving on. Regardless, why not just have it end with him reflecting on what happened? Or end it with him feeling defeated and quitting? I know it isn't like he just immediately got over her, it was five months, but why even show that yet? Why not have the next film open with something worthwhile to get him out of retirement?
 
At all? He was packing up his stuff and moving on. Regardless, why not just have it end with him reflecting on what happened? Or end it with him feeling defeated and quitting? I know it isn't like he just immediately got over her, it was five months, but why even show that yet? Why not have the next film open with something worthwhile to get him out of retirement?

You can move on without being over a death. You have to move on. He has to move on, especially as Spider-man. The last scene was about how he is getting back into the game after a hiatus of depression but knowing that his lack of presence as Spider-man isn't productive.

I've lost family members over the past 5-6 years, and not in ways that I'm particularly okay about. I'm certainly not over them, but life moves on regardless.
 
You can move on without being over a death. You have to move on. He has to move on, especially as Spider-man. The last scene was about how he is getting back into the game after a hiatus of depression but knowing that his lack of presence as Spider-man isn't productive.

I've lost family members over the past 5-6 years, and not in ways that I'm particularly okay about. I'm certainly not over them, but life moves on regardless.

Okay? I am not arguing how he is dealing with Gwen, I am saying that it was dumb that they included it in this movie. She had died like four minutes earlier.
 
He's not a bad person. You're the bad person.

Hey, if some old friend that I was obviously very close with as a kid came into town, reconnected and confided in me that he was shit-scared because he was dying, then asked for a sample of my blood to use as a launching point to save his own life, I would give the dude a sample of my blood in a heartbeat.

I would also probably not chase some tail I was hot for if it would put her life in grave danger. Being conflicted about having aids doesn't mean I'm a good person when I decide to go through with having unprotected sex with her. It doesn't matter how much she wants it.

It's sad that Harry is the more sympathetic character in this film. Driven to insanity by the desperation Peter drove him to. Turned into a murderer.
 
best spidey so far. none of the fight scenes come close to the downtown fight scene from SM2, but when garfield is in the suit, no one does it better. no one. body language, wit, tone, fun during flight, being humane to humans....it all pieced together so well. just wish he spent more time in the suit....
 
Hey, if some old friend that I was obviously very close with as a kid came into town, reconnected and confided in me that he was shit-scared because he was dying, then asked for a sample of my blood to use as a launching point to save his own life, I would give the dude a sample of my blood in a heartbeat.

It's sad that Harry is the more sympathetic character in this film. Driven to insanity by the desperation Peter drove him to. Turned into a murderer.

Peter speculated that since his blood was full of that venom that gave him superpowers, that he didn't exactly know what would happen with Harry. The film made it obvious that Harry was, well, something was wrong with him and there was this very off-vibe about him. Peter didn't exactly trust him, which was made very obvious, and he didn't know what would happen if he gave him his blood. It's a lot more complicated than "oh, we're friends, I should give you some of my blood because you're dying... oh wait my blood is kinda fucked and it gave me superhuman strength so I'm not sure what it would do to you..."

And look at that, Peter ended up being right. Harry was already kind of psycho, and Peter was hesitant about it, even made comments explaining exactly why he was hesitant. I don't see the issue.
 
Peter speculated that since his blood was full of that venom that gave him superpowers, that he didn't exactly know what would happen with Harry. The film made it obvious that Harry was, well, something was wrong with him and there was this very off-vibe about him. Peter didn't exactly trust him, which was made very obvious, and he didn't know what would happen if he gave him his blood. It's a lot more complicated than "oh, we're friends, I should give you some of my blood because you're dying... oh wait my blood is kinda fucked and it gave me superhuman strength so I'm not sure what it would do to you..."

And look at that, Peter ended up being right.

Peter didn't know what would happen. His reasoning was that it might make Harry worse. He explicitly says this. Harry, very logically counters 'Hey, fuckhead, I'm already dying. Get your dick out of your brain and just give me a chance at not dying.' He says his blood could LEAD to a cure. Not that he's going to drink it. It's nice that Peter ended up being right about the blood. But he didn't know that both times he refused Harry. He had no way of logically answer Harry's conundrum and they were obviously very close, talking about girl problems and skipping stones like they're on Dawson's Creek, and sharing their distrust of Oscorp - which Harry was being thrust into.
 
Peter didn't want to give away any blood due to it rushing to his boner for Gwen. He didn't really care or look into giving him blood at all. He could have had Gwen study it in secret or trust Harry to study it to see if they could stabilize it. I assume it is because he had a hard time trusting people again after his BFF Flash Thompson left to join the army.
 
Peter didn't know what would happen. His reasoning was that it might make Harry worse. He explicitly says this. Harry, very logically counters 'Hey, fuckhead, I'm already dying. Get your dick out of your brain and just give me a chance at not dying.'

The point isn't about whether or not it would kill Harry, it was about Peter being hesitant that it might turn him into something... not good. Harry was already shady at the beginning, and Peter was concerned about what injecting him with that blood may lead to.
 
The point isn't about whether or not it would kill Harry, it was about Peter being hesitant that it might turn him into something... not good. Harry was already shady at the beginning, and Peter was concerned about what injecting him with that blood may lead to.

Harry wasn't shady toward Peter at all. And again, Harry mentioned that sampling Peter's blood could LEAD to a cure. He wasn't going to inject it straight away. It could have been a map toward a cure. Peter's just a cunt.
 
Makes sense. Surely the new head of the supervillian factory wouldn't turn to more drastic measures to ensure that he doesn't die if Peter didn't give him blood.
 
Gwen's death was done perfectly. I'm so happy they adapted it finally in a medium that isn't comics. They even made sure that Peter was directly responsible with the whiplash.

The Electro fight scenes were freaking awesome. Actually every scene with Spider-Man, Harry and Gwen was enjoyable.

By the time his web caught up to her, there was no saving her. Way too much momentum.

Even though Peter blames himself, and its his web that "did it", there's really nothing he could have done beyond webbing both her hands to the police car.

At least he gets over it quickly and defiantly enough. But jesus, the foreshadowing in the movie was loud. Gwen basically had an "I'M GOING TO DIE IN THIS MOVIE" speech five minutes into the movie.

Overall, I liked the scene. It was effective.

Rest of the movie ranged from mediocre to lol, aside from the action set pieces and the maintenance closet scene. Nearly everything about Harry Osborn's arc and character was terrible.
 
I'm assuming the black suit will show up in ASM3 as Peters way of dealing with the sinister six. Then he'll fight venom in ASM4.

After seeing this one, though, I wouldn't be surprised if they cram venom into the ending of #3.
 
Makes sense. Surely the new head of the supervillian factory wouldn't turn to more drastic measures to ensure that he doesn't die if Peter didn't give him blood.

Harry didn't even know about everything Oscorp had been doing until afterward with people using his login bullshit. You guys are getting convenient amnesia.
 
Harry wasn't shady toward Peter at all. And again, Harry mentioned that sampling Peter's blood could LEAD to a cure. He wasn't going to inject it straight away. It could have been a map toward a cure. Peter's just a cunt.

He was shady toward Peter in their very first scene together. In fact Peter was about to leave because he was being so shady, then Harry finally opened up. Peter probably realized it could lead to a cure, but there were so many unknown variables that the whole thing simply needed further examining, he even comes to Gwen with this for a secondary opinion. But neither could know what would happen. It's not about whether or not it would make Harry better or worsen him, it was about how he would react to getting Peter's blood.

It's very fantasy/sci-fi, but... I mean, yeah. Duh.
 
I only vaguely followed this film's production, but just watching the movie it seemed like they really had a mess on their hands. Is this true?

It's strange when you are like 2 hours into a movie and neither Green Goblin nor Rhino has shown up yet. I was thinking, "How the hell are they going to work in 2 more villains?" AND they supposedly cut a Mary Jane subplot?

My memory of the first film is hazy -- does J. Jonah Jameson exist outside of an e-mail address? What's the point of including that "Media makes Spiderman into a villain" angle at all? In this day and age it seems particularly ridiculous that a single editor at a single print newspaper (lol print) could really shape public perception anyway.
 
I thought Harry figured out the Peter was Spiderman midway through the movie when he called him up. I was like, finally, a character who isn't overlooking the blatantly obvious! But as the movie wore on I began doubting that was the case, right up to the moment Harry has his brain blast and abducts Gwen. I was a little let down.

What's the point of including that "Media makes Spiderman into a villain" angle at all? In this day and age it seems particularly ridiculous that a single editor at a single print newspaper (lol print) could really shape public perception anyway.

Background quotes talking about how Spiderman causes so much collateral damage, and the very next encounter he is party to the destruction of most of Manhattan. Seems like that guy knew what he was talking about.
 
Harry didn't even know about everything Oscorp had been doing until afterward with people using his login bullshit. You guys are getting convenient amnesia.

I was actually being a bit sarcastic and agreeing with you. Peter seemingly forgot about how shady Oscorp is and the crazy science shit they do. He is acting like his blood will mean he will turn into an animorph or something like Conners without realizing how much crazy shit he already has access to. Unless he just assumed that Harry would drink scotch until he died.

I know Harry wasn't involved in the secret evil schemes, but he did have access to unstable super science.
 
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