Schnozberry
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If Nintendo releases more than one piece of hardware, games have to be easily transferable. They can't support more than one platform at this point, at least not well.
Nintendo full year financial results [23.2B yen loss, 3.6M Wii U/12M 3DS forecast]
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If Nintendo releases more than one piece of hardware, games have to be easily transferable. They can't support more than one platform at this point, at least not well.
Across the board software output reduction that is further geared toward a narrowing demographic (ie gaming going comic book). Development costs are going to be much higher in general so the output will be even more samey and safe than prior. Continually Lower software sales in every market. Nothing to ignite any demographic outside of this further narrowing 16-30 to makes. I see this as a shorter generational cycle (ie not 7-8 years) as well due to hardware not being as cutting edge as previous cycles.
Always-honest
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ah, missed that. Nice, thanx.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Are there seriously still people that don't think a Nintendo developed Zelda will come out for the Wii U???
ElectricBlanketFire
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I'm struggling to envision a scenario where a new powerful console can turn things around.
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Deleted member 752119
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Their output isn't low. It's just that no console is worth owning to anyone (as a sole/primary console) other than diehard fanboys without robust third party support. No company puts out enough first party games to keep a serious gamer occupied year round. Exceptions of course for people who replay the shit out of games.
But for a lot of gamers, even if they still like some Nintendo games, there just isn't enough on Wii u to justify a purchase. Especially when they can get their Nintendo fix on 3DS for a lot less money and a better game library if they so desire.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Pokemon was the foul sorcery
They had mainline Pokemon last year though and didn't reach those numbers.
The Horror the horror
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Don't you see, third-parties would immediately flock to it or port their games more efficiently as made quite evident from the Wii U's enormous library of PS3/X360 ports.
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Deleted member 752119
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That's what I was meaning. That and they're "loyal" to what ever their friends own as they want to play online with them.
IncandescentPrecept
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Software output reduction - how are you determining that?
Output being samey and safe - that's subjective.
Continually lower software sales - again, how are you predicting that?
KoopaTheCasual
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This is my opinion as well. There's been zero supporting data of the core home console market being directly hurt by smart phones. **Once again, this gets into the semantic debate of whether you considered the Wii audience "core", or not. But, even if you do, that just means gen 7 experienced extraordinary and unprecedented growth, followed by an equal and opposite extraordinary contraction. But that's a separate subjective debate.** (correlation=/=causation) Just because Nintendo and MS both dropped the ball super hard with their home console launches, it doesn't mean that we must retrofit history with a narrative of console decline. Don't lie and say that neither the WiiU and XB1 launch period were filled with confusion (mainly WiiU), anger (mainly XB1), and apathy. They effed up. Hard. Sony stepped up and is sweeping in the lionshare of the dedicated console market, and Nintendo is struggling to find a new ocean.
Mysterious
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I lol'd.
Interceptor
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Haven't you heard the news? Nintendo will release a fusion console the same day mk8 comes out for the Wii U. Without a gamepad of course! All for 99,- and the new zelda preinstalled!
So much this. I look at the current situation and... it's not the games that are the problem-- they're awesome. They're just not enough of a draw to justify most consumers buying a second system from the one they plan to use the most.
My kids and I play the s**t out of our Wii U, because of kid-friendly (and just really good) games like DKC TF, NSMB Wii U + Luigi, etc. If Nintendo would just swallow their pride and release their top games for other consoles as well they'd make a mint. Capitalize on whomever is the market leader.
I love my PS4, but the library is sorely lacking when it comes to kid-friendly or Nintendo titles. Mario, Mario Kart 8, Smash on PS4 would sell millions, and would actually be able to have proper online. It would give premier Nintendo franchises that much more exposure. Not to mention if they went with Sony it would give Japan a nice boost and of course PS4 an additional advantage versus Xbox. A lot of people would go PS vs Xbone if they knew they would get a few top Nintendo franchises on PS4, but a lot of those same people aren't going to buy a Wii U just to play Nintendo games (and certainly not at $300).
I think Nintendo massively underestimates the impact and profitability they would have if they brought their content to other platforms. Understood that they think they'll never be able to sell home consoles again if they bring their stuff to Playstation or Xbox, but isn't that sort of where they are at this point already?
I really think an 'our platform + 1' strategy for Nintendo's non-handheld offerings could be great, and would certainly help get them through these dark times.
Manmademan
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No one sane believes this. The generation would have to be 4 years long or less for this to even be plausible.
muyricosuave
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Well they are a wealthy company and can post losses like this for at least like 20 years before they go under however, like MS they have investors to please so how long before they want Nintendo to hop out idk?
perfectchaos007
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So this past quarter:
3DS 590K
WIU 310K
Family total: 900K
When was the last time a Nintendo family of consoles sold sub 1 Million units in a quarter? This is dire.
3DS 590K
WIU 310K
Family total: 900K
When was the last time a Nintendo family of consoles sold sub 1 Million units in a quarter? This is dire.
I love the wii u, I think it's a fantastic system! But is there some true confirmation that Zelda is coming that I missed? I don't keep up on gaming to much anymore and releases for the wii u are pretty slow right now.
1) look at most of the third parties financial reports. The reduction in software output is pronounced and massive
2) equally, on the console front at least, that output IS much safer and following certain genre archetypes (outside consoles, variety is much more palpable). It isn't hard to see this and how this could have a large effect on the amount of non 18-30yo makes would buy into any particular ecosystem
3) this doesn't need to be predicted - it's already happening
block tower
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Very true. Case and point, the Zelda series declining in sales during a single console generation on the Wii. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess sold 6.8 million units since releasing back in 2006, in contrast, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword only sold 3.7 million units since releasing in 2011.
I'm very interested in Nintendo's E3 Direct, if only to see what becomes of Zelda. IMO, it's up in the air as to what will happen with Zelda U.
Petrae
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It can't, honestly, because the same issue with almost nil third-party support will remain-- unless Nintendo ponies up some cash to "entice" publishers to come back.
A new and more powerful console will only mean better-looking Mario, Zelda, and other popular Nintendo IP as soon as first-party development teams can make them. That's about it. Third-party publishers have placed their bets elsewhere and won't suddenly come back to Nintendo because "Hey, new console!"
It's a difficult situation moving forward, and we'll see how-- or even IF-- Nintendo tackles it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You'll find out at E3.
Aonuma has confirmed it multiple times over the past couple years.
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I doubt it as well I do think they'll put their next console and portable on the same architectures though so they can easily port every game to release on bit hand not have their development resources split between two platforms. That would generate more game sales since every game developed can be sold to both markets.
That's one way they can up output without really costing more money. The question is whether that will spur console sales, or just boost their handheld market and software sales. I'd guess the latter. I think they're done being a major player on the console arena, but are still a force in the shrinking handheld market.
Where are you getting that Nintendo fan thinks what Nintendo is doing is working. People have different ideas of what they could or should be doing. It's always seem to me that the common agreement was that what Nintendo is doing wasn't working and wasn't good enough and they need to do something else.
No there isn't. Where's your source? If I recall they just said their next iterations would use similar technologies and frameworks. There was nothing stated about a hybrid console.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Thats still the sorcery right now
Psycho_Mantis
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I have no words.
Nintendo sold 12.24 million with a NEW mainline Pokemon game, a new model at low price and MH4.
DrROBschiz
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I think they really need to spend more time streamlining their backend
Even old cheap hardware can perform. Its the Horrible OS/Online Infrastructure/Accounts etc. that need work
Which they seem to acknowledge.
They need to be more nimble with developing system updates and having them delivering quickly and conveniently.
Might not be a bad idea to have a balance between big games and small games development too. Just so that the release schedule can be smoother.
Awesome thanks!
I can't imagine it being terribly effective from a system selling point-of-view. Anyone mad for Pokemon would've presumably bought a 3DS six months ago when the last two games came out.
Still, y'never know.
US market, sure. Globally the demographic narrowing is less in play due to broader targets, and continental western Europe can be expected to fill out, eastern Europe can be expected to come online seriously, and increasing standards of living/loosening content restrictions aimed at limiting Japanese influence (at least, if Abe doesn't do anything too stupid) in Southeast Asia should provide a windfall in Korea and a decent uptick in "Hong Kong" (read: gray-market China).
It will definitely be shorter, but 5 years or so is by no means an outlier. The only notably longer reigns were the NES, PS1, and PS2, and those only in Japan.
Mysterious
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I think the contraction is mainly due to WiiU,3DS and Vita being unable to reach anywhere close to their predecessors during this point of their lifecycle.The true effects of rising budgets are yet to be felt IMO.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The official confirmation was that Nintendo was NOT combining handheld and console into one machine.
So, we know there will be a handheld and a console, and we know the development teams for both machines are basically unified now.
Third parties could only make a limited number of games per year to not flood the market with crap. This lead to some making shell companies to release more. Obviously this is no longer the case.
Nah he will still run the company.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Y'never know
It's pretty unlikely that he does know now
2010:
1,252,321 mio Yen
2014:
795,215 mio Yen
In just 4 years that happened.
Tell me one company that was in business for more than 100 years and stayed on top the whole time making a profit every year they are in existence.
Every company falls at some point no matter how successful they are in the past. They just need to survive the bad.
Tomorrow, I believe.
clay_ghost
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There are also the pokmon edition of hardware that comes with the games. Every mainline Pokemon and remarks sells hardwares.
It can't. Wii U got some benefit of the doubt from 3rd parties coming off the success of the Wii. That evaporated very quickly though. A new console would be in an even more difficult position.
Nintendo's only viable strategy going forwards is to artificially extend the life of the Wii U through the QoL platform. Based on the same architecture minus the GamePad, aiming for broader appeal while supporting games as part of it.
Then release a new handheld that is powerful enough to support decent ports from it and share OS/dev tools.
Nintendo have to stick with Wii U level development and make it work by unifying their platforms. Try and occupy a middle-ground between Amazon and Apple and their set-top boxes, and the consoles of Sony/Microsoft. The casual and mainstream markets are both lost, they just have to make their niche profitable.