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The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marcs Webb
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Not happening for at least 5-10 years.
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I don't see why these are funny
The One and Done™;111396271 said:
I disagree. Just look at Spider-Man 2 and see it's a complete critical and public darling. The flaws you would see in that movie versus the amazing series are on a completely different level. TASM 2 isn't just tiny things that you can nitpick, overall the film a mess.
It would be pretty small
brandonh83
Banned
People keep calling it a mess but it was straightforward and coherent to me. I don't see what's so "messy" about it. Also, nice and polite attempt to shoot down the notion of opinions.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Will 3 have Woodley?
People keep calling it a mess but it was straightforward and coherent to me. I don't see what's so "messy" about it. Also, nice and polite attempt to shoot down the notion of opinions.
I mean we can keep saying "but opinions" all day for anything ever, but it's a pretty common complaint that the movie has no real main plot, has too many sub plots, and is tonally all over the place.
It's up to her at this point, or someone better be willing to pay her a lot of $$$$$ to be in TWO big franchises.
I did not care for the movie. Only two things I liked about it:
1. I liked the organic look of the goblin compared to Raimi's version.
2. Gwen's death scene.
I could write a 20 page paper on what is wrong with this movie, as both a movie on it's own or as a Spider-man movie but I won't. My 6 year old loved it so that's all that matters I guess.
1. I liked the organic look of the goblin compared to Raimi's version.
2. Gwen's death scene.
I could write a 20 page paper on what is wrong with this movie, as both a movie on it's own or as a Spider-man movie but I won't. My 6 year old loved it so that's all that matters I guess.
The One and Done;111394663 said:
I don't think it's a *good* movie, the script is all over the place and the villains are poorly written to varying degrees. But I do think it's a fun movie and one of the better representations of Spider-Man on screen.
Probably not. I think Divergent has killed that, in terms of both scheduling and Woodley probably not wanting/needing to play token love interest roles right now.
brandonh83
Banned
The main plot is about Peter and Gwen. Each act of the story progresses their relationship and conflict. The third act begins when he decides to stop her cab to profess his love and state that he'll go with her to England. The subplots are Max becoming Electro, Harry's plight at OSCORP, and Peter digging for information about his parents. None conflict with the other and the pacing around each one seemed fine and harmless to me.
It's honestly not much especially for a movie over two hours long. And my "but opinions" comment was basically related to you saying "well you're wrong everyone loved Spider-man 2 and people have problems with this, so you're definitely wrong, opinions be damned, just look at how much of a precious little darling Spider-man 2 is!"
I'll talk more about the plot of the movie later as I don't really have much time atm.
but my Spider-Man 2 comment was a reply to
"The thing that gets me with some of the complaints is that people act as if the Spiderman movies have a history of being cinema gold when they've always had things you could consider serious flaws"
a) Yes Spider-Man does have a history of being cinema gold and it was a consensus, not very divisive
b) the serious flaws in Spider-Man 2 are not the same serious flaws in TASM2. Like story 101 issues. Like screenplay issues.
Here's a quote from an old Spider-Man 2 review thread:
"I think my favorite scene, and one that hasn't really been mentioned in this thread, is the high society event. It really brings all the conflicts to a head, piling the shit on Parker until it smothers him: The running gag with the orderves being just out of reach. Mary Jane's "empty seat" speech. A drunk Harry accusing his friend of betrayal and bitch slapping him twice for good measure. The engagement announcement. And to top it all off, Jameson barking for Peter to capture his misery in a photo, to be preserved for all time. I think it's a clear example of how tight the screenplay really was. "
No one will ever say the bolded about TASM 2.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is just not a good movie. That doesn't mean people can't find anything to be entertained by, but it's just disappointing when you see what was done with the character in good films before.
And thanks Pavaloo, for the link. I didn't know there was a Spider-Man 2 OT.
And thanks Pavaloo, for the link. I didn't know there was a Spider-Man 2 OT.
The Broken Ska Record
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Its messy in its execution. It tried to shoehorn too many elements and told them in a fairly erratic manner. The whole Goblin subplot could have been taken out and the movie would have been better for it.People keep calling it a mess but it was straightforward and coherent to me. I don't see what's so "messy" about it. Also, nice and polite attempt to shoot down the notion of opinions.
Or tease Gwen's death as the finale for the trilogy.
brandonh83
Banned
Yes, I love that too, I've been championing that film for like 10 years now. But I don't think that example illustrates how this film has an unfocused script. They're different things with different story motives. Peter's reservations and choices about Gwen come to a "head" when hers gets cracked open.
Harry becoming Goblin is what leads to Gwen's death which is the the point of the entire movie and it's a stepping stone for Peter--->Spider-man and was done in this film, not the next, as part of his development. Had the movie just been Electro, they would have stopped him and... yayy... *yawn*
The Broken Ska Record
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I understand that but building Peter and Harry's relationship over this film with Gwen's death in the following movie would have been more impactful. Because it would have struck Peter that much more when he finds out Harry became the Goblin.
This movie was so meh. First one was more entertaining.
And fuck you for putting the end of the movie as a promo.
Spiderman 3 with venom might be better, because at least they had that dancing scene.
A waste of talent honestly, the spiderman humour was nice though.
I did tear up at the little kid stepping up to mech rhino.
All in all, yet another spiderman movie without marvel.
And fuck you for putting the end of the movie as a promo.
Spiderman 3 with venom might be better, because at least they had that dancing scene.
A waste of talent honestly, the spiderman humour was nice though.
I did tear up at the little kid stepping up to mech rhino.
All in all, yet another spiderman movie without marvel.
It doesn't need Marvel, bro. It needs better storytellers.
All that did was prove he was a push over. And the running gags of shit piling onto Peter is just that some bad romance comedy where the guy has the "down and out bad luck"
They didn't overdo that shit with Jim Carrey in the fucking Mask for gods sake.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Actually, the movie should have only featured Goblin as the main antagonist. I guess they wanted to be "different" and not be called out for reusing the villain. It's just complete incompetence and lack of grit.
The Broken Ska Record
Member
Actually, it needs the Studio to butt the fuck out.
nintendork666
Member
I'll be buying it on blu-ray. It was a very fun film. Much better than ASM 1. Some plot points were stupid, as was the "Electro chanting" during the score.. but whatchya gonna do?
brandonh83
Banned
For me it was just so innocuously handled and I don't mind multiple villains, in the end Electro was just being used by Harry as a dog without a leash which I felt worked very well.
This sums up my thoughts pretty well. They should have also done away with the obnoxious foreshadowing.
I got the impression that Electro was there for that very reason. They had Goblin in two movies so they were afraid to market him as the main villain in this one.
Really? I thought it was just effective communication that being Spider-Man ruined Peter's personal and social life.
You don't have to make it so ridiculously overboard.
It's one step away from a little thundercloud floating above Tobey and raining on him.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Or me.
EightBitNate
Member
I'll say this much: it felt more like a comic book movie than almost anything Marvel has put out.
I wish we could all stop pretending like the source material is Shakespeare. Electro's motives don't have to make sense and villains are shoe-horned into story arcs all the time.
I wish we could all stop pretending like the source material is Shakespeare. Electro's motives don't have to make sense and villains are shoe-horned into story arcs all the time.
Just a couple of choice quotes from Roger Ebert's Spider-Man 2 review
"Now this is what a superhero movie should be. "Spider-Man 2" believes in its story in the same way serious comic readers believe, when the adventures on the page express their own dreams and wishes. It's not camp and it's not nostalgia, it's not wall-to-wall special effects and it's not pickled in angst. It's simply and poignantly a realization that being Spider-Man is a burden that Peter Parker is not entirely willing to bear."
"There are moviegoers who make a point of missing superhero movies, and I can't blame them, although I confess to a weakness for the genre. I liked both of the "Crow" movies, and "Daredevil," "Hulk" and "X2: X-Men United," but not enough to recommend them to friends who don't like or understand comic books. "Spider-Man 2" is in another category: It's a real movie, full-blooded and smart, with qualities even for those who have no idea who Stan Lee is. It's a superhero movie for people who don't go to superhero movies, and for those who do, it's the one they've been yearning for."
I'll agree though, there is a lot of comic book style fun to be had in TASM2. The second intro (spidey chasing plutonium and rhino after the parker plane sequence) was my favourite bit of the whole movie for sure. Maybe they'll continue that tone going forward.
"Now this is what a superhero movie should be. "Spider-Man 2" believes in its story in the same way serious comic readers believe, when the adventures on the page express their own dreams and wishes. It's not camp and it's not nostalgia, it's not wall-to-wall special effects and it's not pickled in angst. It's simply and poignantly a realization that being Spider-Man is a burden that Peter Parker is not entirely willing to bear."
"There are moviegoers who make a point of missing superhero movies, and I can't blame them, although I confess to a weakness for the genre. I liked both of the "Crow" movies, and "Daredevil," "Hulk" and "X2: X-Men United," but not enough to recommend them to friends who don't like or understand comic books. "Spider-Man 2" is in another category: It's a real movie, full-blooded and smart, with qualities even for those who have no idea who Stan Lee is. It's a superhero movie for people who don't go to superhero movies, and for those who do, it's the one they've been yearning for."
I'll agree though, there is a lot of comic book style fun to be had in TASM2. The second intro (spidey chasing plutonium and rhino after the parker plane sequence) was my favourite bit of the whole movie for sure. Maybe they'll continue that tone going forward.
darkazcura
Member
I had a lot of fun with the movie. Am I the only one who thought there was at least 30 minutes left when they went to Harry in his cell? The movie ended pretty unexpectedly for me..really flew by, haha.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
I'm curious as to what most of you herald as good or favorite movies if you thought this movie was bad. Different strokes for different folks, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
You first.
I'm so confused.
If anything, I feel more inclined to ask you how many movies have you watched if you think this is good.
EDIT: There are filmmaking no-no's all throughout this film. Not to mention it is written by guys who have yet to write a decent screenplay.
I can get liking Spidey's charisma and all, but advocating this as a good or great movie? Come on.
If anything, I feel more inclined to ask you how many movies have you watched if you think this is good.
EDIT: There are filmmaking no-no's all throughout this film. Not to mention it is written by guys who have yet to write a decent screenplay.
I can get liking Spidey's charisma and all, but advocating this as a good or great movie? Come on.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Oh, but I feel more inclined because my opinion is so much more correct!
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I'm simply saying that I'm curious about the tastes of others because I don't see how bad this movie is as others are making it to be. Don't get so uptight.
brandonh83
Banned
I'll fess up, it's the only movie I've ever seen.
It's not downright horrible.
brandonh83
Banned
Apparently it is, and if you liked it there's no way you've seen more than five movies in your entire life.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
TheKaeptain
Banned
try me.
The Broken Ska Record
Member
Ive watched several movies, of course, and I thought it was good. Honestly, I think what draws me in the most is the actors. Garfield, Stone and Fields are all awesome. Even Martin Sheen is great in the first movie. The action sequences were fun too.
I'm not at all uptight; actually, I don't see the point in listing movies at all, and was just responding to your post. It's just an odd thing to ask, and doesn't have to do with why people think the movie is bad.
Then I'd recommend you watch Spider-Man 2, it was is far better written and directed than this.
brandonh83
Banned
I've spent the last 10 years praising and defending it and will continue to do so. I think Amazing 2 is just as good, if not better, but in different ways.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
What is so odd about asking what movies one likes? I can get a better understanding by drawing comparisons between your "good" movies and this one.
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