Since I want to avoid confrontation I would try to push a person away and disengage. I most likely wouldn't fight back swinging or trying to restrain the person.
Whoopi Goldberg under fire for saying men have the right to fight back
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Since I want to avoid confrontation I would try to push a person away and disengage. I most likely wouldn't fight back swinging or trying to restrain the person.
Dark Octave
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In the words of Chris Rock: "Ain't nobody above an ass whoopin".
ChubbyHuggs
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HoodWinked
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pretty sure womans equality gives woman the right to hit men without repercussion.
Muppet of a Man
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What is this bullshit? No one is advocating hitting women just because. Whoopi was advocating the right of a man to defend himself with force against an attack from a woman. There is obviously common sense and restraint that is needed (i.e., taking into account a child or person that does not cause significant damage). But, depending on the woman in question, a woman (like most every full-grown adult) can deal quite a lot of damage if she is crazy, on drugs, and/or in bezerker mode.
Not every situation is cut and dry. If you were a man being violently attacked by a woman, especially if she was using a weapon, you would not think twice about defending yourself with force if you were in mortal danger.
User 100115
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My take on this:
I don't care what gender you are, if you start throwing punches at someone they have a right to defend themselves.
Morally, however, if someone is significantly stronger than their attacker, I think they should attempt to subdue them with as little damage as possible. Like, if someone tiny and unskilled were to attack a hulking UFC fighter who could destroy them with one punch, I would hope they wouldn't just...go all the fuck out and destroy them, because that'd be wrong.
Again, the last part is just my opinion.
I don't care what gender you are, if you start throwing punches at someone they have a right to defend themselves.
Morally, however, if someone is significantly stronger than their attacker, I think they should attempt to subdue them with as little damage as possible. Like, if someone tiny and unskilled were to attack a hulking UFC fighter who could destroy them with one punch, I would hope they wouldn't just...go all the fuck out and destroy them, because that'd be wrong.
Again, the last part is just my opinion.
Dark Octave
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lol Have flashbacks to their last mach and the woman ends up a pretzel?
I would ask that anyone of significant skill or strength over me at least have enough mercy to let me walk away under my own power afterwards.
I'm not going to get in a fight with a lady, thats just how I was raised.
However, I'd probably defend myself by pushing back of course, keeping my arms up... ect.
Am I going to punch a lady smack in the face? No.
I workout and I've been amatuer boxing for a while now, I could probably leave a guy battered if I was pissed off enough and even I wouldn't do that.
Basically I avoid fighting with either sex, I think its a dumb reaction.
I will try taking control of the situation though.
However, I'd probably defend myself by pushing back of course, keeping my arms up... ect.
Am I going to punch a lady smack in the face? No.
I workout and I've been amatuer boxing for a while now, I could probably leave a guy battered if I was pissed off enough and even I wouldn't do that.
Basically I avoid fighting with either sex, I think its a dumb reaction.
I will try taking control of the situation though.
That's pretty inoine with what Whoopi is saying, and she's right.
Nameless
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A lot of tough guys in this thread.
Men on average are considerably faster and stronger, carrying a higher proportion of muscle to fat. We have thicker, firmer skin. Our skeletal frame is larger. Our bones are bigger and heavier. We have a higher pain threshold and tolerance level. Thousands of years of contending with violence and aggression from other males has caused us to develop thicker, stronger, foreheads and jaws, much better equipped to withstand a beating. The same punch that might stagger or knockout another man, has a decent chance of killing or seriously injuring a woman.
Yes, you're well with your rights to defend yourself if a woman attacks you, but let's not act like it's the same thing as fighting off another dude.
Men on average are considerably faster and stronger, carrying a higher proportion of muscle to fat. We have thicker, firmer skin. Our skeletal frame is larger. Our bones are bigger and heavier. We have a higher pain threshold and tolerance level. Thousands of years of contending with violence and aggression from other males has caused us to develop thicker, stronger, foreheads and jaws, much better equipped to withstand a beating. The same punch that might stagger or knockout another man, has a decent chance of killing or seriously injuring a woman.
Yes, you're well with your rights to defend yourself if a woman attacks you, but let's not act like it's the same thing as fighting off another dude.
King Cobra
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This all depends, at some point it shouldn't be alright to hit a women back. However in this case he is a classier man than I because he should have punched the snot out of this girl for what she did.
Don't forget all the white knights in the thread as well.
Don't forget all the white knights in the thread as well.
Actually common sense dictates men don't hit women period. That's why her statements are controversial.
Whoopi isn't wrong. People have a right to defend themselves when they're being attacked. It doesn't matter whether the assailant is a man or a woman. Obviously, in situations where a man is being attacked by a woman restraint is in order. If a woman picks up a weapon (chair, knife, bat, etc...) then a man is free to use much more force and aggression.
Jay Z did the right thing here. He was calm and did what was necessary to protect himself while not harming his wife's sister.
Women are not fragile. They have a higher pain threshold than men and give birth, "fragile" is not the word I'd use to describe them. Especially after having seen my fair share of tough scrappers.
Jay Z did the right thing here. He was calm and did what was necessary to protect himself while not harming his wife's sister.
LQX said:
Women are not fragile. They have a higher pain threshold than men and give birth, "fragile" is not the word I'd use to describe them. Especially after having seen my fair share of tough scrappers.
GungHo
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I'd probably tell him to punch me like a real man.
It's like my momma always says, "Never hit a woman, but if you have to, shake the hell out of her." If I we're getting attacked personally, I couldn't justify hitting her like a man unless she was threatening my life. If she's just wildin out, I'd just do like Jay-Z did. Completely agree with Whoopi though. Everyone just jumping on her because she's the first woman with the ovaries to say it out loud.
Dark Octave
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stufte
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OG_Original Gamer
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She was going for the jewels. Give her the Terminator 2 push in the face.
quickwhips
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Whoopi speaks the truth and gets shit on.
brotherbean
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I don't think it's always warranted to use violence to pacify violence and don't typically believe in the whole "get even" philosophy, but in situations where force is necessary I don't think the gender of the persons involved should be relevant at all.
If I pick a fight with a much larger man and he chooses to diffuse the situation by knocking me on my ass, then society says I got what I deserved. I don't understand how there is any difference when a woman picks a fight with a man. When someone opens that can of worms they shouldn't be surprised by what's inside.
If I pick a fight with a much larger man and he chooses to diffuse the situation by knocking me on my ass, then society says I got what I deserved. I don't understand how there is any difference when a woman picks a fight with a man. When someone opens that can of worms they shouldn't be surprised by what's inside.
KibblesBits
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No, that's not based on common sense. It's something else.
Mr.Squirrel
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UFC fighters and professional boxers have a higher pain threshold and tolerance level than me too. They also have a lot more muscles. Does that mean I can start punching, kicking, and spitting on them and use that same excuse?
Women need to learn their vagina is not a force field. The fact men are stronger should give you reason to NOT attack. The same way I'm not gonna walk up to Jon Jones and slap the shit out of him just because he's bigger, stronger, and faster than me.
criesofthepast
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I probably would have done the same thing Jay did. He did handle it well. You have to undestand that if he did knock solange out it probably would have been the end of his marriage. That is still Beyonces sister and no doubt would have created a massive issue there. So being an in-law I say absolutely he did the right thing as hard as it may have been to restrain from that psycho bitch.
Now if that was a stranger I think things would have and should have been handled differently. I wouldn't have knocked her out because I do think using full force on a woman no matter how much she's wailing on you is a bit unfair, but smacking her around a bit would have been completely justified and within your right if being attacked.
Now if that was a stranger I think things would have and should have been handled differently. I wouldn't have knocked her out because I do think using full force on a woman no matter how much she's wailing on you is a bit unfair, but smacking her around a bit would have been completely justified and within your right if being attacked.
I dunno, some of these dudes nowadays are pretty scrawny.
……forgetit
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She's not wrong? I mean people like to bring up the power difference but it's a case by case basis. In this situation Jay-Z was right not to hit back knowing that she couldn't cause any real damage, but lets say a woman tries to rob a guy at knife point, should he just stand there and give her the money, or should he take the first opportunity to knock her out or at least get the knife from her. I know which I'd choose.
Rockandrollclown
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Common sense dictates you don't start fights with people who outclass you that much strength wise.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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She's correct. Although it should be noted that reason Jay didn't do anything was because he and his wife are celebrities, and the situation in that elevator was already embarrassing enough without any potential drama over him hitting her back getting blown out of proportion. In the end, Solange looks like the biggest fool in this incident and everyone will forget about it by the end of the month.
When someone has you at knifepoint, its usually better to just give them the money regardless of what the gender setup is, but I do get your point.
When someone has you at knifepoint, its usually better to just give them the money regardless of what the gender setup is, but I do get your point.
Common sense, huh? Hm..
On this point, should men be taught not to hit back if a scrawny 110lb nerd is attacking them?
Seriously though, you have the right to defend yourself regardless of gender. However, you should aim to defend yourself with minimum force. Some girl slapping you isn't license to deck her. If it is a one off slap than it is probably best to let it slide. If you are being attacked repeatedly, push or hit back.
Joke post?
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
That's a crock of shit. The fact someone the power difference is so huge between solonge and Jay-Z should give her reason NOT to attack him.
If a physically weak and fragile man started beating up on a strong woman, would the woman be wrong for protecting herself and knocking his skinny ass out?
Predictably, an opinion piece on the Guardian argued the opposite
Solange and Jay-Z: it's simply not the same if a man is hit by a woman
Solange and Jay-Z: it's simply not the same if a man is hit by a woman
Screaming Meat
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Fending off blows is one thing. Call me sexist or whatever, but i'm wholly against hitting women. The only exception for me is if they're armed or something....
Dark Octave
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What about a little dude all in your face throwing hooks? Would you drop the hammer on him?
DurielBlack
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Seems fine with me. I'm not saying you need to entirely destroy the person attacking you unless they had a weapon or something but you have every right to defend yourself. The idea of self-defense is to apply the right amount of force that stops the attacker from continuing the assault. If that means giving a woman a solid hit to the jaw then so be it.
shuri.
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The reason jay z didn't fight back is because it was beyonces sister, a close relative/friend. One cannot compare this instance to a random female attack. That said, one should be able to defend themself.
This term can die in a fire. Exists solely as a way to disregard an opposing opinion.
DoktorEvil
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No.
Common sense is to fight back when you're attacked.
Men are taught not to hit women. It's a cultural thing more than anything.
Point taken.
Khalifa Jayy
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Vermillion
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Most people here with women in their avatars are guys.
She's right. What can I say? If someone comes at you with the intent to harm, you don't simply let them because "it would be sexist if I, a man, hit this person, a woman, who has every intent on doing my bodily harm".
That being said, you have to use common sense. I am reminded of the woman who was probably on crack mixed with bath salts on the subway in London who loses her MIND and starts attacking the guy next to her. He's pretty okay with defending himself for a while and shoves her off and she starts to skulk off, but then he gets up and goes after her, and that's when it becomes a problem.
That being said, you have to use common sense. I am reminded of the woman who was probably on crack mixed with bath salts on the subway in London who loses her MIND and starts attacking the guy next to her. He's pretty okay with defending himself for a while and shoves her off and she starts to skulk off, but then he gets up and goes after her, and that's when it becomes a problem.
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