Nothing, I did start that sentence with "I don't disagree". I also went on to explain why Jay-Z conducted himself in a manner I thought was appropriate.
Whoopi Goldberg under fire for saying men have the right to fight back
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Nothing, I did start that sentence with "I don't disagree". I also went on to explain why Jay-Z conducted himself in a manner I thought was appropriate.
aygomyownroad
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It's a tough situation.
I've been in an abusive relationship in the past and I never hit her back, it wasn't in me,
I do however think that if a woman hits a man or vice versa they should be allowed to restrain them for safety until they calm down.
I've been in an abusive relationship in the past and I never hit her back, it wasn't in me,
I do however think that if a woman hits a man or vice versa they should be allowed to restrain them for safety until they calm down.
SquiddyCracker
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It really isn't, it takes a bunch of sexist assumptions for someone to say single out one of the genders as a category of people you cannot punch.
If someone then goes on to explain that the reason you shouldn't be punching women is because they are generally the frailer sex, well... you see what I mean.
It is certainly the 'correct' way to handle the situation in light of how society treats it, but defending yourself from an attacker is not wrong. Just because it is a common patriarchal tradition does not mean that it is automatically right to let a woman beat on you.
In high school a girl smashed and broke a clipboard on some guy's head in the lunch line. A piece of the clipboard landed in my mashed potatoes. The guy and girl then engaged in an all out fistfight. This has no relevance to the thread.
I think we'd all agree that exercising restraint and using the amount of force necessary to neutralize the attacking party is the desired course of action, regardless of gender. By neutralize, I mean anything from grabbing their wrists to holding them down. No swinging unless absolutely necessary.
I think we'd all agree that exercising restraint and using the amount of force necessary to neutralize the attacking party is the desired course of action, regardless of gender. By neutralize, I mean anything from grabbing their wrists to holding them down. No swinging unless absolutely necessary.
Dark Octave
Banned
I'm partly joking because that gif is hilarious but yeah, if anyone is dinging me up I'm gonna give it back to them the best I can. Believe it or not, I do not posses Mike Tyson's punching power. I know, I know, some of you are shocked but it's true.
Second, I never said that I would put anyone's head through the ceiling. I know this for a fact because "ceiling" is a word I avoid whenever possible becasue I can't spell it properly without going through the trouble of looking it up. The whole "ei" things always messes me up.
The "He didn't need to give her the metsu shoryuken" at the end just threw me off. Sorry if this was just a misunderstanding.
Kano on the Phone
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Ludicrous Speed
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I agree with her.
I've only hit a girl once. I must have been in 6th or 7th grade. I was on the school bus and I was saving a seat for my friend. This girl gets on and wants to sit in the seat with me. I said no and it turned into a big to-do. Next thing I know she's swinging her arms like a fucking windmill at me. I'm still seated and just putting my arms up to defend myself. The other kids on the bus were too busy laughing to bother to help so I eventually get fed up and punch her right in her gut, knocking the wind out of her. Some other kid takes her away. I get angry glares. I'm surprised I didn't get suspended from school for that.
I've only hit a girl once. I must have been in 6th or 7th grade. I was on the school bus and I was saving a seat for my friend. This girl gets on and wants to sit in the seat with me. I said no and it turned into a big to-do. Next thing I know she's swinging her arms like a fucking windmill at me. I'm still seated and just putting my arms up to defend myself. The other kids on the bus were too busy laughing to bother to help so I eventually get fed up and punch her right in her gut, knocking the wind out of her. Some other kid takes her away. I get angry glares. I'm surprised I didn't get suspended from school for that.
the "DEEPEST sexism" seem like hyperbole. Because the greatest injustice of patriarchal sexism is that it isn't socially acceptable for a man to hit a woman when provoked.
Alligatorjandro
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Why is a woman hitting a man anyway
Sure man, I personally don't find physical violence against women funny but the more graphic nature of your posts in here kind of seem like some sort of fantasy or justification for teeing off on someone if they try you even a little. You do you, I guess.
Nameless
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Gauging the consequences of our actions as they relate to human well being isn't sexism, it's called morality. I'm also going to show more restraint when met with physical aggression from children, the elderly, those with handicaps etc...
If an old man hits me with his cane for standing in his way my not launching a haymaker at the dude doesn't make me an ageist, it makes me a reasonable human being.
If an old man hits me with his cane for standing in his way my not launching a haymaker at the dude doesn't make me an ageist, it makes me a reasonable human being.
Zen_Arcade
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I could see how you would assume that, but I took that as an off color joke.
The only sensible/non sexist argument is that a man should be allowed to react to a woman physically assaulting him the same way he would to a man of similar strength/stature as said woman. I don't think (and really hope they aren't) that anyone is arguing that a guy should be able to "go to town" on a woman like some people are implying, just that this idea that women are untouchables or that they're universally so fragile that any countering by a man is brutal assault is dated/ridiculous. A girl hitting a guy does not entitle the guy to go full MMA, but if a girl is seriously assaulting and/or not stopping in an attack, a guy should be allowed to defend himself/suppress the aggression with counter aggression if necessary.
Universal rule for both sexes: Don't start none, won't be none.
Universal rule for both sexes: Don't start none, won't be none.
That is fair. Most people in this thread though are talking about taking proportionate response to situations. Someone tapping you with a cane isnt going to cause much harm, but being punched repeatedly in the face can cause serious bodily harm even if you are a man and the attacker is a (edit
relatively weak woman.Edit: Not that women cant be way stronger than you.
Dark Octave
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Nah. Never have and hopefully never will need to. Sorry if you guys don't get the cartoony nature of my visuals. Obviously nobody can launch another human through a roof. Your words of "bashing women's faces in" were way more serious, graphic and disturbing than anything I have said yet.
And don't forget that I also said this a few pages back.
mcz117chief
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When somebody hits me, anybody at all (except for accidents and children and such of course)
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This is exactly how I feel, I think it is wrong for some expert MMA fighter to totally wreck some guy that tries to fight him. You could argue that the guy deserves it, but anything more than enough force to subdue or get out of a conflict should not be acceptable in our society. We need to universally get rid of the idea of rightful retaliation. Just because the person hurt you doesn't mean that you have the right to hurt them, all it means is you have the right to make him/her stop hurting you. Depending on the circumstances that could mean you will have to hurt them back, but not because they deserve it, but because it is what was necessary to stop them. The assailants sex shouldn't matter only the amount of threat they actually pose.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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How is it on them to check their language? Weird defensiveness, and holy shit at your last quote in this thread's context.
Muppet of a Man
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This. The appropriate level of restraint is necessary depending on the situation. If you are a large MMA-type fighter who wrecks house, you should also first try to restrain a small, weak man who attacks you as well. The gender part should not even enter into the equation other than assessing the threat from the perspective that woman of similar size are generally weaker. That much should help an individual assess how to respond.
Outdated, misogynistic/patriarchal etiquette is exactly that: outdated and misogynistic. It operates on the assumption that woman are subhuman and/or child-like and thus harmless. You realize you are defending that when you cite, "Never, ever hit a woman no matter what (even in the case of violent attack by a more than physically capable woman or a woman with a weapon)."
In the real world, you should treat everyone as a person. And all people are potentially dangerous given the scenario (even children, yikes!---for example, I sure wish a teacher would subdue the kids that shoot up schools by any means necessary if they are in the position to do so)
Screaming Meat
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boiled goose
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Hopefully violence should be avoided.
If you can run away, run away.
If you can dodge or restrain, do that.
Don't respond with serious violence unless you have to. Man or woman.
You can kill someone or seriously hurt them with a punch. Once violence escalates anything can happen.
Avoid if you can.
If you can run away, run away.
If you can dodge or restrain, do that.
Don't respond with serious violence unless you have to. Man or woman.
You can kill someone or seriously hurt them with a punch. Once violence escalates anything can happen.
Avoid if you can.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It feels like you're really pushing this sexist narrative to justify your position, but the men on TV who protect the women and children are good guys for reasons that aren't misogynistic.
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Nah Whoopi
If you hit anyone who weighs half as much as you do soaking wet you're an asshole. Whether they're male or female.
That's what police are for. I can't think of any justifiable reason for someone to beat up someone physically weaker than them.
If you hit anyone who weighs half as much as you do soaking wet you're an asshole. Whether they're male or female.
That's what police are for. I can't think of any justifiable reason for someone to beat up someone physically weaker than them.
Forceatowulf
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I agree.
Don't start shit won't be shit. Man or woman. If you're badass enough to hit someone, then you're badass enough to get hit back. Period.
Don't start shit won't be shit. Man or woman. If you're badass enough to hit someone, then you're badass enough to get hit back. Period.
Children are pretty much all weak, but not all women are. Some women dont always need protection. Some guys are really weak and are the ones who need protection. Sometimes women can actually be the protectors themselves. Proportionate force should be considered whether the person is a man or a woman. If the woman/man is actually posing a serious threat to you then self defense should be considered, that doesn't always mean laying them out flat, but if your situation is desperate enough you might have to counter attack. If the man/woman attacker is weak enough and is barely tickling you then you can probably think of some other way to diffuse the situation without causing physical harm.
They're good guys because they're selflessly protecting people, not necessarily because they're protecting women and children.
edit: specifically people who can't defend themselves- who if you assume ought to be women is a pretty fucking sexist thing to think.
kame-sennin
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This is stupid, it's about proportionality. If a woman takes a swing at me, I can just cover up and I'll be fine. Taking a swing back would be dealing way more damage than I'd taken. If I'm not in danger, fighting back is just abuse in the disguise of equal treatment.
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Exactly. Unless you are in danger you probably shouldn't take aggressive action whether the attacker is a man or a woman. It's abusive otherwise.
Even if you have to take action to defend yourself it doesn't have to mean you hit someone. Restraining them works too.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
This post implies that females are a generally weaker gender than men, and are such frail creatures that we should implement patriarchal systems to ensure they are kept protected by us physically superior men.
Even if some women are physically weaker than men, it doesn't give you the right to generalize an entire gender worth of individuals.
If you're against hitting individuals who are physically weaker than you, than straight up say that, don't conflate that group with women.
radios shipping overview
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Does this happen? I don't find myself around significantly drunk or crazy people very often.
depending on the woman.
Cat Ziingano UFC fighter.
It isn't about sex it is about the threat the person poses. There is no denying that the average woman is smaller and has less muscle mass than the average man, but this girl could easily pose a significant threat to most men. Your post assumes that you could easily defend yourself from a female assailant, when that assumption is not warranted in all cases and should therefore not be made.
KeeSomething
Banned
I agree with Whoopi 100%.
ambientmystic
Member
Fucking this. I think Chris Rock said it best during one of his performances (Bring the Pain) in the 90s.
I agree with Whoopi 100%. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing. It's a two way street, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
PhoenixDark
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I seriously doubt Whoppi would be defending Jay if he had knocked Solange out with one punch. Ultimately he did the right thing. Solange didn't have a weapon...if she did sure, he would have the right to defend himself by any means necessary. But even if a bodyguard wasn't there I think he could have very easily restrained her until help arrived.
Don't hit women brehs, it's pretty simple. He could have very easily beat the shit out of her and ruined his career.
Don't hit women brehs, it's pretty simple. He could have very easily beat the shit out of her and ruined his career.
My cousin's wife has done this to him. He doesn't retaliate obviously, but it has happened more than once. I wouldn't say it's too common, but there is definitely a loophole there that some women take advantage of.
Proportionality?
If a woman is attacking me, I attack back. How's that for proportional?
DUFFMCWALIN
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Sure is.
It's a bit of both. If you can cause great harm then you should be expected to control yourself. If someone starts shit with you, they don't get a free pass.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Fixed your post for you.
No need to bring gender into this.
Or are you okay with men punching men, PhoenixDark?
depending on the woman.
Cat Ziingano UFC fighter.
It isn't about sex it is about the threat the person poses. There is no denying that the average woman is smaller and has less muscle mass than the average man, but this girl could easily pose a significant threat to most men. Your post assumes that you could easily defend yourself from a female assailant, when that assumption is not warranted in all cases and should therefore not be made.
I'd put my paws on that.
Yes it does happen. No they usually aren't drunk or crazy. They easily can be opportunistic or manipulative, among other possibilities.
depending on the woman.
Cat Ziingano UFC fighter.
It isn't about sex it is about the threat the person poses. There is no denying that the average woman is smaller and has less muscle mass than the average man, but this girl could easily pose a significant threat to most men. Your post assumes that you could easily defend yourself from a female assailant, when that assumption is not warranted in all cases and should therefore not be made.
Would hit.
figuratively
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