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[kinoki]

When I think more about it, this seems like a multi-publisher deal. It's probably Mass Effect 4, Grand Theft Auto VI, Red Dead 3, Final Fantasy XV, Shenmue 3-6, The Order: 1886, DriveClub, Uncharted 4, Fortnite and Super Mario Universe.

 

[pswii60]

Platinum don't publish, so that would be second party like their work with Nintendo, or something like Sunset Overdrive .

Third party exclusive indicates something more like TitanFall.

 

[reynal1287]

That's literally the only difference here. Sony didn't develop those IPs.

Can't compare those devs, that have made most of their games on playstation consoles, to a third-party dev. Would be ok for you if nintendo or sony locked games like grand theft auto, mortal kombat, AC, etc., to their console? If they are funding a game like Dead Rising, then that's ok.

 

[Yager]

Sony spends their money on their first and second party studios rather than moneyhatting. A far more preferable startegy in my opinion.

Because funding third-party games is moneyhatting. Ok. Seriously, people need to understand that those are 2 different things. Yes, MS has payed for some games to be excluded from other platforms, but they have also funded games that wouldn't have been made otherwise.

Paying for an exclusive is not always monehatting.

 

[Radec]

I hope its Platinum's or Crytek's

 

[ColiBreh1]

Witcher 3 is already confirmed as having a PS4 release. Pretty sure they've been working on it for some time. But Cyberpunk 2077 could be a potential.

Cyberpunk 2077 also has been confirmed last year to have a PS4 release.

 

[RexNovis]

What are the chances this could be EA's Battlefront? Keep a tactical FPS on a console known to cater to the FPS crowd and take in a ton of extra cash for initial development of a potentially enormous new franchise. Don't get me wrong it would suck but for EA it would make sense.

 

[Pikma]

I hope its Platinum's

I hope it's not, I don't want to buy another platform for basically just one (or two) game(s).

 

[KarmaCow]

It would be hilarious if this vague nothing rumour ended up being wrong.

 

[TomShoe]

Too vague for me to get hyped.

 

[shinra-bansho]

third party is a developer who makes games for a first-party developer's hardware. 2nd party is a term nintendo came up with to describe third-parties who worked exclusively with them during the n64 era.

all that really matter is this- if the developer is a third-party and they're making a first-party property- you can treat it as though it's a first-party game (see also, the psp god of war games, luigi's mansion 2, and bungie with halo odst and reach). if it's a third-party making an exclusive title they hold the rights to, you can treat it as a third-party game, although the likelihood of it appearing on other systems can range from unlikely to nearly impossible (see also bayonetta 2, danganronpa, and dead rising 3).

I always thought the distinction between first and third party was in the publishing, regardless of IP ownership. Are we calling something like Sunset Overdrive being published by MGS a third party exclusive?

 

[Dennis]

They said big.

There is nothing bigger than Shenmue 3.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

But timed exclusive or 'full' exclusive?

Or just an exclusive reveal aka world premiere. Have people forgotten about last year where people were fooled into thinking third party games premiering at MS's conference were exclusive?

 

[Dragonborn]

What are the chances this could be EA's Battlefront? Keep a tactical FPS on a console known to cater to the FPS crowd and take in a ton of extra cash for initial development of a potentially enormous new franchise. Don't get me wrong it would suck but for EA it would make sense.

Close to zero after TF.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Crysis 4

 

[mrjohill]

The wording of that statement is suspect

 

[ColiBreh1]

I always thought the distinction between first and third party was in the publishing, regardless of IP ownership. Are we calling something like Sunset Overdrive being published by MGS a third party exclusive?

I would call SO a 2nd-party exclusive since it's being published by MS.

 

[rrc1594]

Cyberpunk 2077 also has been confirmed last year to have a PS4 release.

When?

 

[Jamie OD]

mortal kombat considering it was xbox that put teaser pic up

As a PS4 owner I'm going to be disappointed if that's true.

Why have something that would compete with KI

Maybe Microsoft wants the Xbox One to be the console of choice for fighters. Those two are or would be decent exclusives to have.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Too vague for me to get hyped.

Same.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Or just an exclusive reveal aka world premiere. Have people forgotten about last year where people were fooled into thinking third party games premiering at MS's conference were exclusive?

Last year? That happens every year, at every conference.

 

[davepoobond]

GTA V next gen version exclusivity period would probably be a sufficient mixture of hype and disappointment.

 

[rrc1594]

Or just an exclusive reveal aka world premiere. Have people forgotten about last year where people were fooled into thinking third party games premiering at MS's conference were exclusive?

Same thing with Sony KH3 and FFXV last year also. It's same thing with both of them

 

[Pikma]

I always thought the distinction between first and third party was in the publishing, regardless of IP ownership. Are we calling something like Sunset Overdrive being published by MGS a third party exclusive?

Big Boss DLC costumes confirmed

 

[AniHawk]

I always thought the distinction between first and third party was in the publishing, regardless of IP ownership. Are we calling something like Sunset Overdrive being published by MGS a third party exclusive?

well we're talking about the studio creating the games, not the games themselves. technically, perfect dark and banjo-kazooie were third-party exclusives on the n64, i think.

 

[ColiBreh1]

When?

I just looked it up. I could've sworn it was originally announced for a PS4 release last year. I'm not sure when that changed .

 

[Raps93]

As a Xbox One owner, this is awesome. I can't wait to see what it is.

 

[benny_a]

I always thought the distinction between first and third party was in the publishing, regardless of IP ownership. Are we calling something like Sunset Overdrive being published by MGS a third party exclusive?

I wouldn't but obviously others are. I think that is bad because then we lose the distinction that exist.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Make your own games!

 

[Black Republican]

Devil May Cry 5

 

[rrc1594]

I just looked it up. I could've sworn it was originally announced for a PS4 release last year. I'm not sure when that changed .

They said maybe for PS4 and X1, but only PC was confirmed.

 

[shinra-bansho]

well we're talking about the studio creating the games, not the games themselves. technically, perfect dark and banjo-kazooie were third-party exclusives on the n64, i think.

Studios is pretty clear though, i.e. subsidiary (first party) or not subsidiary (third party)? Was Rare a Nintendo company at the time of those releases?

I would call Sunset Overdrive a first party exclusive game made by a third party studio.

 

[iMax]

Can't compare those devs, that have made most of their games on playstation consoles, to a third-party dev. Would be ok for you if nintendo or sony locked games like grand theft auto, mortal kombat, AC, etc., to their console? If they are funding a game like Dead Rising, then that's ok.

I'd be fine with it. It's best for business.

 

[Nightengale]

Wait what's the difference between 2nd and 3rd party again

The problem is that these rumors are rumours that may or may not be clear on the differences.

If MS funds it,but it came from Capcom and someone else owns the IP , it's 2nd party.

A 3rd party exclusive is something like Witcher 2 or Fighter Within.

 

[Blastoise]

So 3rd party exclusive means it will only be an xbone game made by a third party?

 

[Radec]

So 3rd party exclusive means it will only be an xbone game made by a third party?

Yes.

Either funded by MS or MS paid for the exclusivity.

 

[ColiBreh1]

So we got folks in this thread like iMax who are being disingenuous & pretending like they don't know difference between a 2nd-party exclusive and a money-hatted 3rd-party exclusive. I thought we were past that, Interesting.

 

[RulkezX]

It's not going to be Platinum because an exclusive from a studio that constantly makes commercial bombs is in no way "big".

Edit : if it even exists.

I doubt any top tier franchise is going exclusive.

 

[rrc1594]

Yes.

Either funded by MS or MS paid for the exclusivity.

So why are people automatically calling this money hatted

I just think a lot them are talking out their ass

 

[TomShoe]

I always thought the distinction between first and third party was in the publishing, regardless of IP ownership. Are we calling something like Sunset Overdrive being published by MGS a third party exclusive?

You know, that's actually really interesting now that I think about it. I've always thought about publishing and development like this:

1st Party: Games that are developed by a studio that is owned by a console maker. Franchises like Uncharted and Halo would be here, made by Naughty Dog and 343i Industries, which are owned by Sony and Microsoft, respectively.

2nd Party: Games that are developed by an independent studio, but published (funded) by a console maker. Titles like Pokemon, Sunset Overdrive, and Ratchet & Clank would fall under this umbrella. The former is made by Game Freak, an independent company, but published by Nintendo. The latter two by Insomniac Games, but published by Microsoft and Sony.

3rd Party: Basically any other game on the market, usually multiplatform. This is where the GTAs and Assassin's Creeds are. GTA is published by Rockstar, and Assassin's Creed by Ubisoft, both multiplatform publishers.

This is just how I thought of it. Would this new 3rd party exclusive be considered a "money hat," or does Gamespot have a different definition of the term "third party?" I'm expecting to be a timed exclusive, but we'll see at E3.

 

[Blastoise]

Very cool. I need reasons for an xbone and Halo is not enough for me to jump in just yet.

 

[DopeyFish]

My guess is star citizen

 

[AniHawk]

Studios is pretty clear though, i.e. subsidiary (first party or not subsidiary (third party)?)

agreed. i thought i read the word studios in there but i was wrong.

Was Rare a Nintendo company at the time of those releases?

no. nintendo only ever owned 49% of the company. there's a misconception that nintendo sold rare to microsoft, implying ownership of the company. what they did was sell their shares back to the stamper bros., who held the other 51%, and the stampers sold 100% of the company to microsoft.

I would call Sunset Overdrive a first party game made by a third party studio.

it really depends on who owns the sunset overdrive ip. looking at the copyright, the sunset overdrive name is copyrighted and trademarked under insomniac games. you can look up the same info for perfect dark and find the copyright and trademark is actually under rare, while the copyright and trademark for donkey kong 64 is actually nintendo.

sunset overdrive is an exclusive third-party game.

 

[Marvel]

Hmm, wonder what it is.

 

[MANGOD]

Imagine the meltdown if it was gta5

 

[iMax]

So we got folks in this thread like iMax who are being disingenuous & pretending like they don't know difference between a 2nd-party exclusive and a money-hatted 3rd-party exclusive. I thought we were past that, Interesting.

Excuse me? I think everyone knows the difference. I just think some posters are jumping to conclusions with no command for the facts. Exclusive ≠ moneyhatting. Titanfall is an example of this.

Just because Microsoft is funding development of a game, it MUST be moneyhatted? That's insane, dude. If you don't know the facts, don't allege bullshit.

edit: also, if it is a moneyhatting, SFW? It's business, not charity. Anyone who gets upset by this should stop being an entitled gamer. Every manufacturer does it.

 

[Dragonborn]

I'd be fine with it. It's best for business.

And it being best for business somehow increases your enjoyment of the title?

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

Wait what's the difference between 2nd and 3rd party again

First Party: Published and funded by the console maker. Doesn't matter if they own the IP or studio. Eg. Halo and Uncharted (IP and Studio owned), Quantum Break and The Order (IP owned, not the studio), Sunset Overdrive and Bayonetta 2 (IP and studio not owned).

Second Party: Console Maker distributes game, but does not fund it*. Eg. Dance Central, Ninja Gaiden 2.

Third Party: Published by a company other than the console maker. Eg. Titanfall, Bioshock.

*This comes from an interview with Phil Spencer on the Major Nelson Podcast. 14 mins in.

 

[Solaire of Astora]

Because funding third-party games is moneyhatting. Ok. Seriously, people need to understand that those are 2 different things. Yes, MS has payed for some games to be excluded from other platforms, but they have also funded games that wouldn't have been made otherwise.

Paying for an exclusive is not always monehatting.

True, but to be fair, we don't know whether this game will be a moneyhat or one that MS funded.

Maybe Microsoft wants the Xbox One to be the console of choice for fighters. Those two are or would be decent exclusives to have.

How's the D pad on the xbox one controller?

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Excuse me? I think everyone knows the difference. I just think some posters are jumping to conclusions with no command for the facts. Exclusive ≠ moneyhatting. Titanfall is an example of this.

Just because Microsoft is funding development of a game, it MUST be moneyhatted? That's insane, dude. If you don't know the facts, don't allege bullshit.

edit: also, if it is a moneyhatting, SFW? It's business, not charity. Anyone who gets upset by this should stop being an entitled gamer.

You do realize the game was never suppose to be full blown exclusive right?