Gamespot rumor: Big third-party Xbox One exclusive at E3

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Are people really Happy with that ?

So you think it´s a cool thing that Microsoft pay so a game won't release on other consoles ?

Please Microsoft stop paying to prevent people from playing games..

What if they are simply funding games that a third party wouldn't normally take a risk on?
Is that such a bad thing then?

MS aren't paying to prevent you from playing a game....
 
If I were to guess, I would go with Cyberpunk 2077 and a new Epic game. Two exclusives that would make enough waves...
Shenmue 3 would take a lot of time and sell poorly; but it would be nice for its fans...
 
Yes.

Either funded by MS or MS paid for the exclusivity.

If it's funded by Microsoft, it's normally a 1st party title. Examples from different 1st parties: Project Zero 4, Beyond 2 Souls, Heavy Rain, Wonderful 101.

If it's a third party exclusive, it's either because the 3rd party wants to do so or because Microsoft gave them some financial incentive to keep the game from other platforms. When did it happen that Microsoft funds a game from an external studio and does not publish itself and thus not making it a 1st party title? I can't remember any example.
 
I would die laughing if it was "agent" or whatever that was shown by rockstar at the sony presser a couple years back.
 
Wait I'm confused right now would SunsetOverDrive be a 2nd party or 3rd party.

Second. Any external studio publishing under a console maker's label is 2nd party, AFAIK. Titanfall was published under EA with a publisher-console contractual exclusivity clause. That would be third party.
 
Wait what's the difference between 2nd and 3rd party again

The MAIN difference between 2nd-party and a 3rd-party game is the platform-holder is the publisher with a 2nd-party game. While a 3rd-party publisher, publishes a 3rd-party game.


The MAIN difference between 1st-party and a 2nd-party exclusive game is a developer owned by the platform-holder develops a 1st-party game. While a 3rd-party developer, develops a 2nd-party game. Both 1st-party & 2nd-party games are published by the platform-holder.
 
Because Nintendo would push more hardware.
Well, you can see how that worked out for them with Wii U. And if someone thinks, that Bayonetta will sell 2-3 mil. Wii U's, they are crazy.

Same can be applied to developer of the 3rd party game? Why push new IP/established franchise only to one console? I just don't see reasoning behind it.
 
it really depends on who owns the sunset overdrive ip. looking at the copyright, the sunset overdrive name is copyrighted and trademarked under insomniac games. you can look up the same info for perfect dark and find the copyright and trademark is actually under rare, while the copyright and trademark for donkey kong 64 is actually nintendo.

sunset overdrive is an exclusive third-party game.
This is where the confusion/contention seems to arise though. I don't think it's commonly taken that something that's first party published is a "third party exclusive" regardless of IP ownership. I think that most would take Heavy Rain, Sunset Overdrive, Ryse, The Wonderful 101, Lego City Undercover as first-party games based on their being published by the respective first-party vendors.

A headline like this (to my mind) would imply something like Titanfall.
 
could also be devils third ? havent heard much since thq when to shit and Itagaki has always been close with microsoft
 
It's a 1st party title as it's funded and published by Microsoft.

second party.

It's contracted development by a publisher to an outside studio. (meaning that the publisher ownly owns copyrighted material relating to the IP, not necessarily technology or assets)

first party is work owned and developed by the publisher. (meaning they own all assets and production capabilities and liability for work)
 
I do. They needed funding and Microsoft stepped in. Sony refused. If that didn't happen, the game wouldn't have been released at all. So it was going to be an Xbox exclusive or nothing.

The deal was MS would have timed exclusivity for their lending a hand with the project. Then they threw more money at EA beyond the initial deal to make sure it never goes to PS3 or PS4, and even Respawn had no idea that it happened. Do I need to post Vince's tweet?
 
Well, you can see how that worked out for them with Wii U. And if someone thinks, that Bayonetta will sell 2-3 mil. Wii U's, they are crazy.

Same can be applied to developer of the 3rd party game? Why push new IP/established franchise only to one console? I just don't see reasoning behind it.

Depends on the game. If Nintendo locked up Half-Life 3 and Fallout 4 as Wii U exclusives, they'd probably sell more hardware.

And as for the developers, getting funding from publishers for new IP is hard. If they can get more funding from a console maker for exclusivity, they'll sometimes take it.
 
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interesting. never knew insomniac was MS-owned.

They aren't, they are a third party developer. That doesn't matter though as all games funded and published by a 1st party are essentially 1st party titles. No need to suddenly invent new terms or to resurrect old terms such as 2nd party. It's not about the development studio that determines whether it's a 1st party title or a third party title.

Another example: Brownie Brown, a Nintendo subsidiary, made Fantasy Life for Level 5. That game is no 2nd party or even 1st party title, it's a 3rd party game.
 
Wait I'm confused right now would SunsetOverDrive be a 2nd party or 3rd party.

I guess according to Phil Spencer, they would be 1st since the game is both published and funded by MS.

I've always considered games like SO be 2nd party though since they are independent and are not owned by any of the platform holders. 1st to be owned, funded, and published by the platform holders and 3rd to be independently funded and published.
 
If I were to guess, I would go with Cyberpunk 2077 and a new Epic game. Two exclusives that would make enough waves...
Shenmue 3 would take a lot of time and sell poorly; but it would be nice for its fans...
Shenmue 3 would be a really, really expensive title for Microsoft to secure as an exclusive.
Seems unlikely IMO.
 
It doesn't matter if they own the studio or whether they don't. Microsoft is a 1st party. If they fund and publish a title, it's always a 1st party title.

no its not. Because they dont necessarily own assets or content, only the distribution and publishing rights. Otherwise games like Mass effect would never have been able to go 3rd party.
 
It doesn't matter if they own the studio or whether they don't. Microsoft is a 1st party. If they fund and publish a title, it's always a 1st party title.

The 2nd party term needs to die already.

1st and 3rd party = 1st and 3rd person. There is no 2nd person.
 
The deal was MS would have timed exclusivity for their lending a hand with the project. Then they threw more money at EA beyond the initial deal to make sure it never goes to PS3 or PS4, and even Respawn had no idea that it happened. Do I need to post Vince's tweet?

Wasn't that just a communications fail? They didn't know the exclusivity agreement extended to the life of the title, they just thought it was for a window.

Pretty much irrelevant anyway, as the agreement was between EA and Microsoft. Respawn had nothing to do with it at all. It's Respawn's IP but EA has multi-year publishing rights to it, so they can sell it to who they want.
 
First Party: Published and funded by the console maker. Doesn't matter if they own the IP or studio. Eg. Halo and Uncharted (IP and Studio owned), Quantum Break and The Order (IP owned, not the studio), Sunset Overdrive and Bayonetta 2 (IP and studio not owned).

Second Party: Console Maker distributes game, but does not fund it*. Eg. Dance Central, Ninja Gaiden 2.

Third Party: Published by a company other than the console maker. Eg. Titanfall, Bioshock.

*This comes from an interview with Phil Spencer on the Major Nelson Podcast.

Wrong!! It DOES NOT matter who funded the game or who owns the IP, as long as a platform-holder published game is developed by a 3rd-party developer, it's a 2nd-party game.
 
no its not. Because they dont necessarily own assets or content, only the IP and publishing rights. Otherwise games like Mass effect would never have been able to go 3rd party.

No, First Party is any game published by MS/Sony/Nintendo. Second Party means they only distributed the game.

Wrong!! It DOES NOT matter who funded the game or who owns the IP, as long as a platform-holder published game is developed by a 3rd-party developer, it's a 2nd-party game.

I'd think Phil Spencer would know what he's talking about.
 
Make your own games! :)

They are. They're also funding games from great industry talent. Win win, and great news for Xbox One owners.

What if they are simply funding games that a third party wouldn't normally take a risk on?
Is that such a bad thing then?

MS aren't paying to prevent you from playing a game....

Perfect. If funding the game so it exists and is focused on the consoles strengths then its absolutely fine. I haven't read one convincing argument against this, apart from the butthurt because MS has money to spend.
 
"least one "big" third-party exclusive reveal"

so is it an xbone exclusive? or just an exclusive reveal? ie, the first time we will have seen it, but it's appearing on every platform under the sun?
 
It doesn't matter if they own the studio or whether they don't. Microsoft is a 1st party. If they fund and publish a title, it's always a 1st party title.

I don't think that's correct, dude. That's what the term '2nd party' means.
 
No, First Party is any game published by MS/Sony/Nintendo. Second Party means they only distributed the game.

thats my point. 1st party is ownership of content and assets, 2nd is ownership of publishing and distribution only, 3rd is supplier.

Phantom Dust is a first party game even though it wasn't distributed my MS.
 
I'll buy an Xbox One if it's Shemnue

I do hope it's a case of them funding a project rather than them paying to stop it coming out elsewhere
 
I juat don't see this happening. You would have to be foolish not to release on the PS4 or MS must have paid a lot of money for exclusivity. Or maybe they are paying for production of an old IP like Shenmue
 
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