SolidChamp
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I wasn't aware this was a common thing for him. Is there proof to back that up?
Jonah Hill on Calling a Paparazzo "Faggot"
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I wasn't aware this was a common thing for him. Is there proof to back that up?
Captain Europe
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MrPressStart
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You can be upset... all I am saying is that you are in for a waste of your life is you are going to be upset everytime somebody offends you. Simple as that.
MrPressStart
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I don't think anyone in this thread wanted to hang Jonah Hill. It's frustrating to see the worst word for my sexual orientation used by someone who should know better and reportedly has gay friends. I'm glad he apologized and it seems sincere.
You know what's actually tiring, though? Straight people telling me how I should reach when they say faggot.
Do you seriously think this is the first time he has called someone a faggot? Do you think that word just happened to appear in his vocabulary at that exact moment?
The "within reason" part seems the problematic one. Specially because people seem irrational abour the words themselves, regardless of meaning.
Even if it's a necessary move for his career, that doesn't change that he might be genuinely sorry. I'm not trying to defend his using of the word, and nor was he really, but when someone apologizes in the way he did, I'm usually inclined to accept it.
Omegasquash
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Oh, no one is defending the paparazzi. At all. They're just doing their job, but they're very antagonizing and antagonistic, and I don't feel any shame at all in calling the profession somewhat scummy.
People are more concerned with the fact that Hill said what he said, not what he was saying it in response to. He IS to blame for his words, however. That's the topic of conversation, not the "poor" paparazzo.
You're throwing shade on someone based on an assumption you're making?
That's not a real healthy way to be.
MrPressStart
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You are correct.. .it is wrong of me to tell you how you should feel... However, I stick to my view that people need to have thicker skin.
Growing up ... my mom was obese. I would go places with her and people would laugh at her and it would piss me off to no end. I asked her why she was never mad... and she told me that life is way to short to give a shit about what other people think or say about you. Its so true. If you are gay... be proud and don't worry about what others think or say.
There...wasn't any shade in my post. I was pretty direct actually.
poppabk
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But where do you draw the line and how do you determine the difference between true outrage and faux outrage meant to stifle legitimate voices. If an MRA type gets offended by 'dickhead', because of the implication of men being unable to think beyond their carnal desires, or if a right wing group is offended by 'gay-basher' as it implies violent conduct on their part, do we remove those words from our vocabulary?
Captain Europe
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I honestly don't care what the photographer said or did to him, that doesn't give Jonah a pardon to use homophobic slurs.
I'm not sure if you've read the first 3-4 pages of the thread, but I would recommend doing so. When people say they didn't know what it really meant when they first started using it as kids, they're not lying. They learn the real meaning later in life and it makes dislodging it from their vocabulary completely a pretty rough task, as when they get angry, it's the first thing they know to fall back on.
Steve Youngblood
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Again, I want to note that there is wisdom in this bit of advice. Insults can't hurt you if you don't let them. However, it's also worth noting that we don't always have control over how this stuff affects us. I mean, we can certainly control to a decent extent how much we let on the impact of insults and slurs. If you call me something disparaging, it's quite possible that it'll roll right off me because, after all, you're just some random person I don't even know. Rationally, I know there's no reason to be concerned by this interaction. But we're not purely rational beasts.
I'm not saying this is true, but in scenarios like the above with your mom, have you considered that she really wasn't as immune to the hurtful words as she let on? Maybe she really was impervious to such attacks because, after all, life is indeed too short. But it's also possible that it hurt each and every time someone made fun of her because of her weight, but she knew that being hurt made her appear weak.
I'm not saying that this is the case for your mom in particular, but I think people put up these kinds of facades all the time. And while it's true that ignoring such comments or trying to have thicker skin may be one of the more effective strategies, I think it does a disservice when people that do honestly call out hurtful speech are portrayed as overly sensitive as opposed to acknowledging the power of hurtful words.
SolidChamp
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Honestly? I have no clue. I don't know the guy. And neither do you. There's no way one can ascertain that information unless they know the guy personally and have heard him say it.
Citing things you did as a kid is no excuse. We get older, we learn and we change. Jonah Hill is 30, I'm sure he's been exposed to gay people by now and he's aware of the weight that word holds.
If we didn't hear him say it we wouldn't have this thread.
MrPressStart
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Very good points! As with my mom.. i dont think it hurt her at all. But you are right.. that not everybody can be like that.
I dated a girl with alopecia and she was almost completly bald. She lost her hair due to the stress from being robbed at gunpoint. It kicked the alopecia into high gear... anyway we would go out and people would stare and point and laugh... and to your point it hurt her... so I see points... but I do wish we all had the ability to not give a shit about what others say or think!
SolidChamp
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Isn't that the point of his apology? Dude almost started crying on the Tonight Show. Clearly he felt fucking awful and was not making any excuses for himself. He told it true, and he wanted to be the example of what not to do/say in such situations.
His voice was cracking and he was nearly in tears. And I sincerely do not think it was because he was feeling sorry for himself. I think it's one of the most sincere apologies I've seen from anyone in Hollywood. Compare that to the likes of Alec Baldwin or Michael Richards, and I'm sure you'll see Jonah is sincere.
Unfortunately in a world where LGBTQ+ people have a considerably higher suicide rate than straight people, 'learn to not care'/'grow thicker skin' is some seriously weak bullshit.
How about you all learn to not fucking say discriminatory, pejorative crap. It's not that difficult.
How about you all learn to not fucking say discriminatory, pejorative crap. It's not that difficult.
It's pretty clear he's very aware based on his interviews after the fact. You can think what you want, but going through life assuming that people are always being dishonest is a pretty miserable way to live.
SolidChamp
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If that info is your guesswork, then that basically proves you didn't listen to the apology on the Tonight Show or the Howard Stern show.
Now you're twisting things around. You asked me if I believe that the word isn't part of his regular vocabulary, suggesting you believe it is.
I said there's no way to know if it's a word he uses on a regular basis, because nobody here seems to know him personally. I certainly don't, so I can't say for sure. I know he said it once, he slipped up, and now he feels fucking horrible about it. I, personally, feel he's being sincere.
MrPressStart
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Apparantly it is that difficult because people always say it and they will long after we are gone. It is the way of the world. Racism and bias has been around since the beginning of time. sad but true!
HI. BILLY MAYS HERE
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Does anyone think Jonah would be catching shit if he had just said "suck my dick" sans the F-word ?
SolidChamp
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I'm not interested in his apology, he's sorry what he said was recorded. If it hadn't gotten out he wouldn't give a shit.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Are you a minority and/or LBGT? If not you just don't get it.
It is overtly politically correct these days; it's something I dislike with a good passion. But that means absolutely nothing here: Jonah said something he knows was wrong, he intended it in the most hurtful way, it's a slur that demeans entire groups of people, he was 100% in the wrong and has apologized. He doesn't need you to stick up for him, he's a grown man and can make his own choices.
He made the wrong choice using a slur, made the right one apologizing. Hopefully never uses it again in a demoralizing manner. Nothing overtly PC about that, it was just common sense.
The Technomancer
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His apology isn't "I'm sorry I said a bad thing", its "I'm sorry that I hurt people". He seems pretty damn aware of the weight the slur holds
adamsappel
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I can't believe he said that word. What a horrible person he is. I can't trust anything he ever says again. He probably uses that word all the time, and doesn't even know the meaning of it anymore. I'm sick and tired of hearing him say it!
The word is: "Sorry."
SolidChamp
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Yeah, if you didn't even bother to at least LISTEN to the apology (both of them) before dismissing it, then I don't know what you're doing in this thread.
That's a pretty narrow-minded stance to be taking.
Captain Europe
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Good for him, hopefully he has learnt from it.
If he didn't know what that word meant until now then he's an idiot, he's 30 ffs. It's pretty safe to assume he's said it more often too, I know people who have only said it ''once''' when they are super pissed off, but I remember every time they've said it.
manfestival
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this is pretty much it and that is what makes it a good apology as opposed to the former
SolidChamp
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Nobody is saying he didn't know what the word meant. He had a moment of weakness, and he's fully aware that it was the absolute wrong thing to say. His whole apology is based on the gravity of the word and the people who have been hurt by it and continue to be hurt by it. Again, it's all in his apology and a lot of you are speaking as though you couldn't be bothered to listen to it.
EDIT: Because I know how tough it must be to read the OP and click the link provided. Watch the shit, people. WATCH IT. I could care less about Jonah Hill, and his apology had me choking up. The Tonight Show video first.
It's a pretty simple concept: words have meanings and implications that may not necessarily match our explicit intent when saying them (we might not even understand why we're using the word in the first place, eg for "gay," "fag," "cocksucker," etc as perjoratives). If you're not a subhuman asshole, upon realizing this the natural reaction should be, "I did not understand that implication, I apologize, and I will try to keep that in mind in the future." It's understandable that people might have reflexive, defensive reactions when posed with an idea they never really considered (cognitive dissonance), but to not understand that the reason they might have that reaction is because they never really considered the words they were using shows an enormous amount lack of self-reflection. If you consider yourself a thoughtful person, take cases like this as an opportunity to actually think about things like your word choices, especially when trying to insult people. If you find yourself reflexively defensive, ask yourself why this is so important to you. "People should have thicker skins" is not a valid response: if you believed this, you would have a thicker skin when being told your words have unintended meaning.
Steve Youngblood
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There's no hard and fast rules. Obviously, individuals are going to draw their own lines. However, in the context of this discussion, I have to say that I'm surprised when anyone acts like "faggot" is up for debate.
Omegasquash
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SolidChamp
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Yeah, this is the exact opposite of a "Baldwin". Jonah's nearly crying on the tonight show because he feels so damn bad. He's putting himself out there because he feels very strongly that what he did is absolutely wrong, and he's not even asking for forgiveness he just wants to be made an example of what not to do in situations where a person might feel tempted to counter hate with anger and hate.
Go watch the Michael Richards "I'm not a racist, that's what's so insane about this." apology for an example of a REAL bullshit non-apology.
It's like the "n" word? We had a gay employee that would call things gay all the time and such. I cannot recall if they actually used the "f" word though.
I don't know about Jonah's personal life. But his apology seemed sincere. He said he has been a supporter of the community. If thats recorded anywhere that could validate his apology for doubters.
I don't know for certain, but I've heard that it has something to do with burning.
Gordon Shumway
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Yeah. Used the word plenty when I was a teen. Actually wasn't a fan of the gays much..many years with the bible being thumped across my dome. Think in my 20s was when I started to feel bad about it. Being called a fucking nigger is no walk in the park..so how can I find saying such a hateful word like faggot ok then? I couldn't..
My views on a lot of things have changed..for the better, I'd say. Words like tranny and retard wiped from my daily speak..the LGBT thread here on GAF was a big help there. It takes so much more effort to hate than it does to show just a little compassion.
Can't say he's being real or not..I know I've said that shit and other shitty things plenty in the past, and I'm glad to say people can actually change.
My views on a lot of things have changed..for the better, I'd say. Words like tranny and retard wiped from my daily speak..the LGBT thread here on GAF was a big help there. It takes so much more effort to hate than it does to show just a little compassion.
Can't say he's being real or not..I know I've said that shit and other shitty things plenty in the past, and I'm glad to say people can actually change.
Jeez man, it feels like the level of hate is much stronger from those responding in anger over this compared to what Hill did. He says something quick as a response to antagonization and so many people can't wait to unleash their hate and banish/bury the guy for it.
It's kind of hypocritical.
It's kind of hypocritical.
Surface of Me
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I first heard it at my cousins house, I wwas under 10. Said it a couple times, but everyone told me to stop.
Yeah it's very much victim blaming in a way. 'Oh I cut your arm; learn to pull it out of the way faster the next time I randomly decide to cut you. Your fault, not mine. *sharpens knife*'
Also all these 'gay friends' who are okay with fag, I'm calling BS on that. They may pretend it's okay because you are their friend, but they definitely think less of you. Really I think it's time gay people told their straight friends these words aren't okay and aren't theirs to use or reclaim or whatever nonsense. Don't care how good of an ally or friend you are or how well meaning and kind of a person; it's not okay. Period.
Bobby Roberts
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There's maybe two people in this thread doing what you're describing. Most people are applauding not just his quick apology, but the manner in which he apologized.
Delicious Waffles
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I couldn't agree more with this. All their "apologies" are hollow, just to save face.
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