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[Ninja Scooter]

I honestly don't think there is ANY chance Bron goes back to Cleveland. I think that's a bunch of smoke blowing by ESPN to create a nice story, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not even a thought for LeBron. He's probably still bitter over the Gilbert shit. And with reason. I think it was Jalen Rose who came out on a podcast and said that after the whole Sterling shit (which LeBron was fairly vocal about) he's not going to go play for an outspoken owner who is disrespectful of his players and looks at them as his own personal cattle herd.

 

[theignoramus]

Of course he deserves blame. But I ask u- statistically- what more could he realistically have done?

Spurs were god tier.

He could have posted up more. Dont tell me he couldnt have done that, especially when the Spurs were switching smaller guards on him. Not sure how many times exactly he posted up, but he did it all the time in the first round against Charlotte, and Michael Kidd Gilchrist is a pretty decent defender. Back his man down, he's bigger than nearly everyone that guarded him, save Splitter and Duncan when they switched onto him.

 

[theWB27]

What's with all the Cleveland hate? They're just another small team trying to make it in the East. Kyrie is one of the top pg's in the league, Waiters is pretty good, but the key is that Cleveland might've struck gold with this lottery. Regardless of what fits, i'm pretty sure they're taking Wiggins for the superstar potential. And with the extra cap space, this isn't a bad situation for LeBron to come to, it's actually a great one.

If everyone's supposed to forgive and forget LeBron shitting on Cleveland, then LeBron can forgive Gilbert for shitting on him after he left. Water under the bridge for those two.

After what Wade pulled off in Miami, stars are doing more of the recruiting now.

I can't stress this enough. Cleveland is NOT Miami. Why didn't the big three go to either Toronto with Bosh or Cleveland with Bron? Location matters to players.

No one is hating on Cleveland. If players didn't want to go play with Lebron...Kyrie, Waiters, and Wiggins aren't going to change anyone's mind.

Because of location and the ability to attract players....Bron might as well stay in Miami. He doesn't have the time to nurture young players. He needs vets.

 

[JinjoUnchained]

I never cared for Bosh.....but damn did he ruin his career chasing rings with his buddies. Dude was a legit 22-24 ppg scorer and 8-10 rpg. Then to be relegated to a 3point specialist.

Couldn't disagree more. Bosh realized that he couldn't be the #1 guy on a championship team, so he instead decided to team up with someone who could and went to a situation that maximized his skill set. Bosh is the best shooting big man in the league and has elite passing, rebounding, and speed. He sacrificed salary and touches to use these skills to win championships. Even on an individual level, he's still made the All Star team each year in Miami and is among the lead leaders in efficiency. So that is "ruining your career"?

Compare that to a less-skilled big man like Dwight Howard deluding himself into thinking he can lead a team to a championship. So a soft, passive big man bitched because he wanted to be the face of the franchise in LA. Dwight could have made a move like Bosh and accepted a smaller role on a championship level squad. Instead he's playing with an equally goofy and soft superstar with a history of choking in the playoffs (Harden)...for a team that doesn't play defense...and has a bad coach.

But, sure, Bosh ruined his career and Dwight Howard is making the best of his career by maxing out and trying to be "the man".

 

[Fjordson]

Yeah, I will be shocked if Bron goes to Cleveland. The owner was a real douche to him when he left, fans everywhere really got on him for it (no matter what anyone says, I do think Lebron cares about this somewhat) and if I'm a top player I don't have much confidence in the higher ups to get the job done.

 

[GodofWine]

Id like to see him go to Cleveland, only so he can be surrounded with young talented players instead of a bunch of 32 yr olds...face it, none of these guys are on the 'upside' physically.

Im not saying Bron or Bosch are 'coming down' but their highest jumps and quickest end to end sprints are behind them. But both of these guys can move toward positions that foster long careers..hell, bron could be a back to the center when he's 40.

Wade is busted...he should lay on the sword, opt out, sign for 7mil.

By the end of next year the big three (or big four with melo) will actually only have a few years left if lucky...time flies.

 

[BadAss2961]

The risk of going there is that there is no guarantee any of their young players pan out to be worth a shit. Kyrie is a chucker who already slacks on D and gets injured a lot. Waiters is decent but not exactly stellar. Anthony Bennet is a bust. They have no coach and busted on their last choice. What is so great about that? Again, is that team, next season, better than the Heat next season? Probably not. And if not, why not just stay in Miami and let a proven winner in Riley build a team around him in 2015?

But Wade made that team. Riley didn't do shit but clear the cap space so it could happen.

If they don't land another star, Miami has nothing but the big 3 next season. Kyrie is more valuable than Wade at this point, and Bosh will always be underutilized in the LeBron offense.

Again, Cleveland has a lot of power with this pick. It's the best draft since LeBron's. Whether he deserves it or not, Wiggins will immediately be a superstar until he's proven not to be. This team potentially has a better shot at winning than Miami. And just remember, if LeBron leaves Miami, that entire house will fall apart. One less team to worry about in the East, and LeBron will still have the stacked lineup of the league depending on Wiggins panning out.

It's a lot easier getting someone to South Beach than:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

lol

 

[Ninja Scooter]

But Wade made that team. Riley didn't do shit but clear the cap space so it could happen.

If they don't land another star, Miami has nothing but the big 3 next season. Kyrie is more valuable than Wade at this point, and Bosh will always be underutilized in the LeBron offense.

Again, Cleveland has a lot of power with this pick. It's the best draft since LeBron's. Whether he deserves it or not, Wiggins will immediately be a superstar until he's proven not to be. This team potentially has a better shot at winning than Miami. And just remember, if LeBron leaves Miami, that entire house will fall apart. One less team to worry about in the East, and LeBron will still have the stacked lineup of the league depending on Wiggins panning out.

lol

The "best draft since..." stuff has been overblown. Now that we are getting more looks at them the big names have more question marks. None are sure thing franchise players. Saying Wiggins will be an immediate superstar is silly. He hasn't shown that at all. He might get there, but he might also be Harrison Barnes, or Terrence Ross, or Paul George. He's a question mark, just like everyone on that Cleveland roster. Lebron likely isn't interested in babysitting a bunch of question marks for the next 4 years of his career. You are really overselling how attractive of an option the Cavs are.

And the Cavs probably aren't even taking Wiggins. If Embiid's back checks out he seems to be the closest thing to a consensus and he projects as more of a defensive anchor (still super valuable, dont' get me wrong) than the next Shaq or Hakeem.

 

[theWB27]

Couldn't disagree more. Bosh realized that he couldn't be the #1 guy on a championship team, so he instead decided to team up with someone who could and went to a situation that maximized his skill set. Bosh is the best shooting big man in the league and has elite passing, rebounding, and speed. He sacrificed salary and touches to use these skills to win championships. Even on an individual level, he's still made the All Star team each year in Miami and is among the lead leaders in efficiency. So that is "ruining your career"?

Compare that to a less-skilled big man like Dwight Howard deluding himself into thinking he can lead a team to a championship. So a soft, passive big man bitched because he wanted to be the face of the franchise in LA. Dwight could have made a move like Bosh and accepted a smaller role on a championship level squad. Instead he's playing with an equally goofy and soft superstar with a history of choking in the playoffs (Harden)...for a team that doesn't play defense...and has a bad coach.

But, sure, Bosh ruined his career and Dwight Howard is making the best of his career by maxing out and trying to be "the man".

He's not the best shooting big man in the league by a fairly large margin. He's a decent shooter. There's a German in Dallas who would like to have a word with you.

He's not an elite passer. Elite rebounders don't average 8rpg....EVER. Small forwards are averaging that nowadays.

He made the all star team because of a drought of big men in the EAST. Remember the other forwards are usually Carmel and Bron. They don't even suit a center. Maybe Brook Lopez when healthy.

I don't understand where Dwight comes into this. He's what you call and elite rebounder and defender. He's also as fast as Bosh up and down the court. I don't really care for Dwight a ton...but he can still lead a team to a championship. Just like every other superstar...he needs the proper help.

Your whole paragraph baffles me.

 

[BadAss2961]

The "best draft since..." stuff has been overblown. Now that we are getting more looks at them the big names have more question marks. None are sure thing franchise players. Saying Wiggins will be an immediate superstar is silly. He hasn't shown that at all. He might get there, but he might also be Harrison Barnes, or Terrence Ross, or Paul George. He's a question mark, just like everyone on that Cleveland roster. Lebron likely isn't interested in babysitting a bunch of question marks for the next 4 years of his career. You are really overselling how attractive of an option the Cavs are.

And the Cavs probably aren't even taking Wiggins. If Embiid's back checks out he seems to be the closest thing to a consensus and he projects as more of a defensive anchor (still super valuable, dont' get me wrong) than the next Shaq or Hakeem.

I thought LeBron needed help though and that Miami wasn't giving it to him? Wade is done, Bosh is meh and all that. Not quoting you, just stating the general opinion of LeBron apologists.

I agree that Wiggins is a question mark and that this draft has taken a hit. I'm just saying that he'll absolutely be marketed and hyped as a superstar until he proves otherwise. I just have a gut feeling Cleveland will take him because of his marketability, and try to pretend that he's LeBron.

My point is that Miami might be a sinking ship, and the pieces could be in place for LeBron to "right the wrong" in Cleveland. Simple as that.

 

[Boombloxer]

I was at a bar with a Celtics fan friend. He made me stay for everything. Fuck that game.

I hope you returned in the favor in 2010.

I'd be shocked if Bron didn't go back to the Heat, and also if Wade didn't opt in to an extra $20M. Bosh? Not sure.

But after that first quarter, and the Spurs started to come back, he knew, his team knew and you could tell. He didn't stop playing, just realized that he could put up NBA Jam numbers and lose by 15 anyway. Some cats are wired to stick it out so they remember it, fuel for next season...but in fairness, he just went to 4 Finals and had to carry the team more than ever this season in a still weak-as-fuck East.

If you went 2 for 4 for the Finals, and realized that after all that hauling a team across the snow this year, wolves are eating Wade's carcass, Chalmers and Cole are miles behind, and Spo is driving you in circles, and there's another blizzard coming, you might say F it, and check out too.

It's not a good look, but it's reality. Felt the same way about Cleveland vs Orlando a few years back.

 

[theWB27]

I thought LeBron needed help though and that Miami wasn't giving it to him? Wade is done, Bosh is meh and all that. Not quoting you, just stating the general opinion of LeBron apologists.

I agree that Wiggins is a question mark and that this draft has taken a hit. I'm just saying that he'll absolutely be marketed and hyped as a superstar until he proves otherwise. I just have a gut feeling Cleveland will take him because of his marketability, and try to pretend that he's LeBron.

My point is that Miami might be a sinking ship, and the pieces could be in place for LeBron to "right the wrong" in Cleveland. Simple as that.

He didn't do anything wrong in Cleveland though. He'll have better luck rebuilding in Miami because players would want to play there than going to a bunch of question marks, waiting and hoping players mature in Cleveland.

 

[Jonm1010]

Yeah, I will be shocked if Bron goes to Cleveland. The owner was a real douche to him when he left, fans everywhere really got on him for it (no matter what anyone says, I do think Lebron cares about this somewhat) and if I'm a top player I don't have much confidence in the higher ups to get the job done.

If he wants to be surrounded by young up and coming talent he should come to New Orleans then ;p

Spoiler

Him and Davis would dominate for years though

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I thought LeBron needed help though and that Miami wasn't giving it to him? Wade is done, Bosh is meh and all that. Not quoting you, just stating the general opinion of LeBron apologists.

I agree that Wiggins is a question mark and that this draft has taken a hit. I'm just saying that he'll absolutely be marketed and hyped as a superstar until he proves otherwise. I just have a gut feeling Cleveland will take him because of his marketability, and try to pretend that he's LeBron.

My point is that Miami might be a sinking ship, and the pieces could be in place for LeBron to "right the wrong" in Cleveland. Simple as that.

You're problem is that you look at that roster in Cleveland and see "help". I don't. I see a lot of uncertainty. All the guys on that roster right now who are "young prospects" could end up being a bunch of average players. Wade and Bosh are on the decline, and I don't see LeBron agreeing to reup in Miami to play with those guys, but that's not what I'm proposing. What I am saying is that if LeBron's options are "Sign with Cleveland for 5 years even though you have no idea what that team is, who the coach is, and the owner is an ass" versus "Opt in for one season in Miami, try and get back to the Finals (which is doable, remember the East is horrid) and then see what happens in 2015". Shit if he really even wanted Cleveland (which I don't think he does) even THAT option will still be on the table in 2015 and he can give them a year to see if they get their shit together (they probably won't).

 

[Fjordson]

If he wants to be surrounded by young up and coming talent he should come to New Orleans then ;p

Spoiler

Him and Davis would dominate for years though.

Hell yeah. Davis is one of my favourite players in the league. Crazy how good he already is.

 

[Panzon]

Reading through this thread is so lol worthy.

You guys seriously believe wade and Bosh gonna take a pay cut? Especially now after he (wade) found out how limited his body is and Chris knows he's the odd man out? Get real people.

These guys care about their legacies but not nearly as much as they care for their financial security. Wade is not exactly a spring chicken and he knows how much his injuries and lack of production in these finals hampered any chance he had to get another big contract somewhere else.

Don't forget they have the rings already so its not like they have to chase after that anymore. They both know they're never going down as the greatest players at their positions or even come close.

It's all about the money and you can't blame any of them for wanting to make as much as possible and securing their futures.

Its time we stop getting into these athlete's pockets and be realistic with yourselves. Easy to say you would do it when its not your money being messed with.

Oh, and in before "but Duncan and them did it" blah blah blah. Thats just a very unique situation where the spurs front office struck gold with. I really doubt this happens again, especially in a big market like Miami where these players have a certain lifestyle to live up to which is extremely expensive

 

[BadAss2961]

He didn't do anything wrong in Cleveland though. He'll have better luck rebuilding in Miami because players would want to play there than going to a bunch of question marks, waiting and hoping players mature in Cleveland.

He failed to bring them a championship and left them in possibly the worst fashion a player has ever left a team.

Whether it was wrong or not depends on the person, but a lot of people weren't feeling that.

 

[friskykillface]

I hope LeBron doesnt go back to cLeveLand, not as long as Gilbert is there, fuck that guy, acting like you made LeBron who he is, you ain't shit without him

I saw it years later. I was out the house and on a drive as soon as I saw Kobe lift the tape and the green confetti fell.

I haven't seen a single second of the Czzz celebration.

when Odom threw the ball to Kobe in the final seconds i turned the tv off and was salted/heated, never saw what happened after B^)
smh Ray fucking up game 7 in 2010

I was at a bar with a Celtics fan friend. He made me stay for everything. Fuck that game.

lol, I did the same to my cousin who was visiting and is a lakers fan, he wanted to punch me

 

[theWB27]

He failed to bring them a championship and left them in possibly the worst fashion a player has ever left a team.

Whether it was wrong or not depends on the person, but a lot of people weren't feeling that.

Nah, a superstar needs help. I'll give it to Cleveland for doing everything they could to get pieces, but they weren't championship pieces. He did as much as one player could do to win there. He knew, just like anyone else would know, he wasn't going to win in Cleveland because he was never going to get that second star or superstar to come and play with him.

The decision was stupid....still doesn't make him leaving wrong and he doesn't owe Cleveland anything.

 

[BadAss2961]

You're problem is that you look at that roster in Cleveland and see "help". I don't. I see a lot of uncertainty. All the guys on that roster right now who are "young prospects" could end up being a bunch of average players. Wade and Bosh are on the decline, and I don't see LeBron agreeing to reup in Miami to play with those guys, but that's not what I'm proposing. What I am saying is that if LeBron's options are "Sign with Cleveland for 5 years even though you have no idea what that team is, who the coach is, and the owner is an ass" versus "Opt in for one season in Miami, try and get back to the Finals (which is doable, remember the East is horrid) and then see what happens in 2015". Shit if he really even wanted Cleveland (which I don't think he does) even THAT option will still be on the table in 2015 and he can give them a year to see if they get their shit together (they probably won't).

I don't disagree about opting in for more season with Miami, i'm just starting to think LeBron wants out again and that Cleveland is a possible destination.

Miami or Cleveland, whichever situation is better going forward is debatable.

Nah, a superstar needs help. I'll give it to Cleveland for doing everything they could to get pieces, but they weren't championship pieces. He did as much as one player could do to win there. He knew, just like anyone else would know, he wasn't going to win in Cleveland because he was never going to get that second star or superstar to come and play with him.

The decision was stupid....still doesn't make him leaving wrong and he doesn't owe Cleveland anything.

If only I had a nickel for every time someone used "help" in relation to LeBron.

 

[theWB27]

I don't disagree about opting in for more season with Miami, i'm just starting to think LeBron wants out again and that Cleveland is a possible destination.

Miami or Cleveland, whichever situation is better going forward is debatable.

If only I had a nickel for every time someone used "help" in relation to LeBron.

In Cleveland you thought he had superstar help? Crazy ish...I'm not talking about Miami.

 

[Jonm1010]

Nah, a superstar needs help. I'll give it to Cleveland for doing everything they could to get pieces, but they weren't championship pieces. He did as much as one player could do to win there. He knew, just like anyone else would know, he wasn't going to win in Cleveland because he was never going to get that second star or superstar to come and play with him.

The decision was stupid....still doesn't make him leaving wrong and he doesn't owe Cleveland anything.

Im not sure any player in NBA history could of carried those Cleveland teams to a title.

I mean when your supporting cast is Larry Hughes, Ilgauskas, Gooden and Pavlovic I don't know who you think leads that team to a championship.

 

[BadAss2961]

In Cleveland you thought he had superstar help? Crazy ish...I'm not talking about Miami.

Not superstar help, but enough help to compete for a championship.

Dirk didn't have superstar help when Dallas beat Miami.

Im not sure any player in NBA history could of carried those Cleveland teams to a title.

I mean when your supporting cast is Larry Hughes, Ilgauskas, Gooden and Pavlovic I don't know who you think leads that team to a championship.

MJ and a few great bigs would probably have something to say about that. At least with the 2010 Cavs for sure.

 

[Jonm1010]

Not superstar help, but enough help to compete for a championship.

Dirk didn't have superstar help when Dallas beat Miami.

But he had GOOD players. The year Lebron made it to the finals he literally had a bunch of average at best guys surrounding him coached by Mike Fucking Brown...

Dirk had Tyson Chandler during arguably his best defensive season in the league and a bunch of very good role players having an incredible year playing under one of the NBA's best coaches.

 

[JinjoUnchained]

He's not the best shooting big man in the league by a fairly large margin. He's a decent shooter. There's a German in Dallas who would like to have a word with you.

He's not an elite passer. Elite rebounders don't average 8rpg....EVER. Small forwards are averaging that nowadays.

He made the all star team because of a drought of big men in the EAST. Remember the other forwards are usually Carmel and Bron. They don't even suit a center. Maybe Brook Lopez when healthy.

I don't understand where Dwight comes into this. He's what you call and elite rebounder and defender. He's also as fast as Bosh up and down the court. I don't really care for Dwight a ton...but he can still lead a team to a championship. Just like every other superstar...he needs the proper help.

Your whole paragraph baffles me.

I don't follow the circular logic, every superstar can lead a team to championship if they have help? Do you define superstar as someone who can lead their team to a championship? The term usually refers to a player that is one of the leagues' top 10 players and is among the league leaders in scoring, play making, or defense. Of those superstars, only a few of them can be the #1 option on a championship team. Some teams win championships with these guys, some teams like the Spurs do it by committee. LeBron, Dirk, Kobe, and Pierce are superstars who led their teams to championships. Of course they had help too, but they led their squads to the promised land. Durant has the talent and the temperament to get there, but hasn't done it yet.

My point is that Bosh made the assessment that he wasn't in that group, so he sacrificed to win a championship. We should be celebrating that. I bring up Dwight Howard as someone who could have made a similar career decision, but cares more about his brand then winning titles. Dwight could be a key contributor and piece on a championship squad, but he'd have to do what Bosh did and take more of a specialist role. It's partly the eye test, but if you've watched DH you know he's not a #1 guy. Opting back in to his last Orlando contract, pulling rank in LA, and moving to that Houston team were bad moves in that light.

Edit: To be clear, by best shooting big, I'm referring specifically to centers, not stretch fours like Dirk. Bosh and Marc Gasol are probably the best pure shooting centers in the league. But even without that qualification, Bosh is one of the most efficient mid range shooters period, regardless of position. You know he is a great rebounder based upon his stats in Toronto, even though the numbers have taken a hit with a smaller role in Miami.

 

[RELIGHT]

All the hate Lebron gets only confirms his greatness.

 

[theWB27]

Not superstar help, but enough help to compete for a championship.

Dirk didn't have superstar help when Dallas beat Miami. MJ and a few great bigs would probably have something to say about that. At least with the 2010 Cavs for sure.

He did compete for a championship.

Dirk didn't have a superstar but you know what he did have?

Jason Kidd running point with JJ barerra backing up
Caron Butler
Tyson Chandler
Jason Terry
Peja Stojakovic
Corey Brewer
Shawn Marion

Lebron had never had that type of collection in Cleveland.

MJ wouldn't have had anything to say about it. He didn't win until he got Pip and Phil Jackson.

 

[Stratosphere]

What a strange era we live in where the best player gets treated like crap. I miss the days when we used to celebrate greatness.

 

[Jonm1010]

Not superstar help, but enough help to compete for a championship.

Dirk didn't have superstar help when Dallas beat Miami. MJ and a few great bigs would probably have something to say about that. At least with the 2010 Cavs for sure.

I love MJ, hands down the better player then Lebron but I think even he may of failed to chip with those teams.

I mean think of the context. Even in 09-10 with arguably James' best team(but lets not forget those players were int he twilight of their career) he had to go up against the Big three in Boston during a series where Rajon Rondo went off. The guy had 29-18-13 game because Lebron can't guard everyone and the rest of his team did jack shit.

 

[BadAss2961]

But he had GOOD players. The year Lebron made it to the finals he literally had a bunch of average at best guys surrounding him coached by Mike Fucking Brown...

Dirk had Tyson Chandler during arguably his best defensive season in the league and a bunch of very good role players having an incredible year playing under one of the NBA's best coaches.

And they went on to lose to scrubby Orlando and the old man Boston Celtics that would fall apart just a year later... When you have the best player in the league, you should have a legit shot at the title.

Tyson Chandler is a specialist role player. Carlisle was a good coach, not a great one. Dirk was considered a choker and had nowhere near LeBron's credibility when they beat Miami. You can win without multiple superstars. There is no excuse for LeBron.

He did compete for a championship.

Dirk didn't have a superstar but you know what he did have?

Jason Kidd running point with JJ barerra backing up
Caron Butler
Tyson Chandler
Jason Terry
Peja Stojakovic
Corey Brewer
Shawn Marion

Lebron had never had that type of collection in Cleveland.

MJ wouldn't have had anything to say about it. He didn't win until he got Pip and Phil Jackson.

He had a much better one in Miami, and got beat down in 2 NBA Finals.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

What a strange era we live in where the best player gets treated like crap. I miss the days when we used to celebrate greatness.

We demand greatness from a guy with Chosen1 tattooed on his back, not 2-3 in the Finals mediocrity.

 

[theWB27]

And they went on to lose to scrubby Orlando and the old man Boston Celtics that would fall apart just a year later... When you have the best player in the league, you should have a legit shot at the title.

Tyson Chandler is a specialist role player. Carlisle was a good coach, not a great one. Dirk was considered a choker and had nowhere near LeBron's credibility when they beat Miami. You can win without multiple superstars. There is no excuse for LeBron.

He had a much better one in Miami, and got beat down in 2 NBA Finals.

Tyson Chandler is exactly what you need on a championship team. He filled a role..lockdown D and rebounder. He was a star that year. Carlisle is a good coach, better than most.

You seem to keep switching between Cleveland and Miami when it's convenient for your argument. In Cleveland...which is what I responded to in your statement....he didn't have the help Dirk had.

 

[Cipherr]

He could have posted up more. Dont tell me he couldnt have done that, especially when the Spurs were switching smaller guards on him. Not sure how many times exactly he posted up, but he did it all the time in the first round against Charlotte, and Michael Kidd Gilchrist is a pretty decent defender. Back his man down, he's bigger than nearly everyone that guarded him, save Splitter and Duncan when they switched onto him.

Man I have to assume some of you don't know anything about basketball. We get the largest point differential in the entirety of NBA history in the finals, and your armchair GM solution is to have a single player 'post up a bit more'?

Really breh? I wish coaching an NBA team was that easy.

 

[bigboss370]

edit: nvm

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Man I have to assume some of you don't know anything about basketball. We get the largest point differential in the entirety of NBA history in the finals, and your armchair GM solution is to have a single player 'post up a bit more'?

Really breh? I wish coaching an NBA team was that easy.

You mean it's not?

 

[theWB27]

I don't follow the circular logic, every superstar can lead a team to championship if they have help? Do you define superstar as someone who can lead their team to a championship? The term usually refers to a player that is one of the leagues' top 10 players and is among the league leaders in scoring, play making, or defense. Of those superstars, only a few of them can be the #1 option on a championship team. Some teams win championships with these guys, some teams like the Spurs do it by committee. LeBron, Dirk, Kobe, and Pierce are superstars who led their teams to championships. Of course they had help too, but they led their squads to the promised land. Durant has the talent and the temperament to get there, but hasn't done it yet.

My point is that Bosh made the assessment that he wasn't in that group, so he sacrificed to win a championship. We should be celebrating that. I bring up Dwight Howard as someone who could have made a similar career decision, but cares more about his brand then winning titles. Dwight could be a key contributor and piece on a championship squad, but he'd have to do what Bosh did and take more of a specialist role. It's partly the eye test, but if you've watched DH you know he's not a #1 guy. Opting back in to his last Orlando contract, pulling rank in LA, and moving to that Houston team were bad moves in that light.

Edit: To be clear, by best shooting big, I'm referring specifically to centers, not stretch fours like Dirk. Bosh and Marc Gasol are probably the best pure shooting centers in the league. But even without that qualification, Bosh is one of the most efficient mid range shooters period, regardless of position. You know he is a great rebounder based upon his stats in Toronto, even though the numbers have taken a hit with a smaller role in Miami.

Superstars are usually competing for championships..so by that logic..yes. If you put the right pieces around a superstar, they can lead you to the ring. If they don't have that potential then they're not superstars.

He's not a great rebounder based on his stats in Toronto. He's only averaged double digit rebounds 3 times his whole career. That's not a great rebounder for a PF or C at any rate.

When Dwight had the right pieces around him in the right system....he went to the finals as the lead man.

 

[Fjordson]

You mean it's not?

Lmfao Fuck I've never seen this gif.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Hypothetical, but what kind of fallout will Miami experience if Lebron chooses to go to a different team again in a few years? First NBA player to have two states hating on him.

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

Hypothetical, but what kind of fallout will Miami experience if Lebron chooses to go to a different team again in a few years? First NBA player to have two states hating on him.

Miami wouldn't be as mad since Lebron is from Ohio

 

[Jonm1010]

And they went on to lose to scrubby Orlando and the old man Boston Celtics that would fall apart just a year later... When you have the best player in the league, you should have a legit shot at the title.

Tyson Chandler is a specialist role player. Carlisle was a good coach, not a great one. Dirk was considered a choker and had nowhere near LeBron's credibility when they beat Miami. You can win without multiple superstars. There is no excuse for LeBron.

He had a much better one in Miami, and got beat down in 2 NBA Finals.

I can't believe I am sitting here defending Lebron James.

They did have a legit shot but no one player can play all 5 positions and guard all 5 players. No one! Lebron can go 40-10-10 each game of those playoffs but that still requires the rest of his team to be able to help stop the other team from scoring more and to get some points as well.


Anyways, Tyson was a defensive beast that year. He was easily the best defensive big man in those playoffs. If not the best Defensive player period. They had one of if not the best bench that year and Terry had a career year in the playoffs. Carlisle is a top 5 coach in the league. Other then Pop, Thibs and maybe Doc I don't know who you put above him.

From top to bottom that season

Kidd/Barea > Williams
Terry/Stevenson > Parker/West
Marion/Brewer < James/Moon
Dirk/Peja > Jamison/Hickson
Chandler/Haywood > Old broken Shaq/Varejao

Overall Mavs Bench > Heat Bench

Carlisle >>> Brown

To sum up that's 6-1 in the Mavs favor.

 

[JinjoUnchained]

Superstars are usually competing for championships..so by that logic..yes. If you put the right pieces around a superstar, they can lead you to the ring. If they don't have that potential then they're not superstars.

He's not a great rebounder based on his stats in Toronto. He's only averaged double digit rebounds 3 times his whole career. That's not a great rebounder for a PF or C at any rate.

When Dwight had the right pieces around him in the right system....he went to the finals as the lead man.

That one time Dwight got to the Finals (and got owned by Pau Gasol) was 5 years ago and before his back surgery. He's not that guy anymore, hasn't been for about 3 years. That's what I'm saying, he should play a smaller role in a great organization like Bosh. Do what he does best: rebound, run the floor, and effect shots at the rim.

 

[theWB27]

That one time Dwight got to the Finals (and got owned by Pau Gasol) was 5 years ago and before his back surgery. He's not that guy anymore, hasn't been for about 3 years. That's what I'm saying, he should play a smaller role in a great organization like Bosh. Do what he does best: rebound, run the floor, and effect shots at the rim.

He can be more than Bosh...but I get what you're saying.

 

[PBY]

Hypothetical, but what kind of fallout will Miami experience if Lebron chooses to go to a different team again in a few years? First NBA player to have two states hating on him.

I hope miami wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be.

 

[Vestal]

Imo what needs to happen next season is have dwade come off the bench for a max of 28minutes of play. Unless he does some miracle during this off season were he can rejuvenate his legs, he simply cannot play at a high level for extended periods of time. Maybe he could lose about ten pounds to regain a bit of quickness and put less strain on his legs.

Offense needs to be overhauled to work off of Bosh and Bron tandem. Work on keeping Allen, Cole and Rio. Birdman if his body is still up to it. Haslem stays. Release Jones, Oden and Beasly. Batts is retired.


Look for an athletic 2 and 3. Keep Lebrons minutes ti 32 max during the season. Design more schemes to work off bosh when he is solo out there.

If Riley can pull another rabbit out of his ass and bring Melo then that makes setting up a starting 5 all easier. Granger could be a possibility as well as a good scorer to complement Bron and Bosh


All of this would be dependant on what exactly Wade has left.

 

[RockTurtle]

Miami has somethign other cities don't

NO SNOW DURING WINTER!

Hypothetical, but what kind of fallout will Miami experience if Lebron chooses to go to a different team again in a few years? First NBA player to have two states hating on him.

he got us 4 straight finals appearances and more rings than any other player. If he left, i wouldn't hate, i would wish him the best and thanks for all the fish

 

[satori]

Have this been posted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFXsntujvZA

Sums it up pretty nicely

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Miami has somethign other cities don't

NO SNOW DURING WINTER!

Um...my home city has no snow in the winter either...

Spoiler

...unless you want to drive to it! #la

 

[Pastry]

Miami has somethign other cities don't

NO SNOW DURING WINTER!



he got us 4 straight finals appearances and more rings than any other player. If he left, i wouldn't hate, i would wish him the best and thanks for all the fish

With those heat induced cramps you'd think Lebron would want to go somewhere with a proper Winter.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I hope miami wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be.

Miami wouldn't care.

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

Who had the worst supporting cast?
Lebron and the Cavs or Wade and the Heat 2008?