Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

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Why hasn't with friends online been addressed?

They should not allow customization unless both people agree to it , even then I wouldn't want to be placed in situation that majority wants.

There will be always be person that spams dk storm punch even with them agreeing to play you without customization to mess around with you.

Friends online sounds like the do whatever you want mode , sounds like the delete everyone mode that has abnormal attack damage and attacks.

Sounds like anti competition system for online , I know that real life is key for that but it would suck to placed with it by force , if it's not the way you want to experience game.

How can you be sure whether someone has turned on items when you explicitly said no to it if you're at their house

Sort of like that, don't see too much of a problem,
 
Why hasn't with friends online been addressed?

They should not allow customization unless both people agree to it , even then I wouldn't want to be placed in situation that majority wants.

There will be always be person that spams dk storm punch even with them agreeing to play you without customization to mess around with you.

Friends online sounds like the do whatever you want mode , sounds like the delete everyone mode that has abnormal attack damage and attacks.

Sounds like anti competition system for online , I know that real life is key for that but it would suck to placed with it by force , if it's not the way you want to experience game.

There's a screenshot from a video or something somewhere that shows the settings for match. Things like match type and time limit are shown, as is the option to have custom moves on or off - so there should be no confusion.

Furthermore, I highly doubt any of the special moves are blatantly broken and this windstorm thing is probably the equivalent of Mario's fludd since it appears nobody is being hurt in the screenshot

Lastly if you're playing with friends...they are your friends and you should have the means to communicate and decide on how you're going to play and if not just don't play with them if you don't want to.
 
Why hasn't with friends online been addressed?

They should not allow customization unless both people agree to it , even then I wouldn't want to be placed in situation that majority wants.

There will be always be person that spams dk storm punch even with them agreeing to play you without customization to mess around with you.

Friends online sounds like the do whatever you want mode , sounds like the delete everyone mode that has abnormal attack damage and attacks.

Sounds like anti competition system for online , I know that real life is key for that but it would suck to placed with it by force , if it's not the way you want to experience game.

If someone on your friend's list consistently messes with you then just don't play with them anymore.
There will be plenty of people who will stick to a gentleman's agreement not to use custom moves if you ask them.
 
Why hasn't with friends online been addressed?

They should not allow customization unless both people agree to it , even then I wouldn't want to be placed in situation that majority wants.

There will be always be person that spams dk storm punch even with them agreeing to play you without customization to mess around with you.

Friends online sounds like the do whatever you want mode , sounds like the delete everyone mode that has abnormal attack damage and attacks.

Sounds like anti competition system for online , I know that real life is key for that but it would suck to placed with it by force , if it's not the way you want to experience game.


Im pretty sure they would make you set up a room and decide what the room rules are....probably.
 
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Someone from Smashboard made it.

Little Lucas.
Oh man, I adore this
 
Why hasn't with friends online been addressed?

They should not allow customization unless both people agree to it , even then I wouldn't want to be placed in situation that majority wants.

There will be always be person that spams dk storm punch even with them agreeing to play you without customization to mess around with you.

Friends online sounds like the do whatever you want mode , sounds like the delete everyone mode that has abnormal attack damage and attacks.

Sounds like anti competition system for online , I know that real life is key for that but it would suck to placed with it by force , if it's not the way you want to experience game.

If I remember the Digital Event trailer correctly there will be a big fat CUSTOM MOVES: ON/OFF switch in the character select screen. I don't see a problem here. Just disable them if you don't want them.

And even IF someone manages to somehow enable custom moves after you've selected characters and then quickly starts the match - unfriend them and move on.
 
If I remember the Digital Event trailer correctly there will be a big fat CUSTOM MOVES: ON/OFF switch in the character select screen. I don't see a problem here. Just disable them if you don't want them.

And even IF someone manages to somehow enable custom moves after you've selected characters and then quickly starts the match - unfriend them and move on.

I feel that with it completely disabled in for fun and for glory , we should be able to disable it beforehand with friends and person entering knows how it is going down and if they wanted it enabled then you agree with them to have it on but they have it as menu options that anyone can play around with like items.

Man , if its like they have it gone at one place completely with strangers then why can't I have that level of control with people that I know or randoms?

Correct me if I am wrong about the details of it.
 
I feel that with it completely disabled in for fun and for glory , we should be able to disable it beforehand with friends and person entering knows how it is going down and if they wanted it enabled then you agree with them to have it on but they have it as menu options that anyone can play around with like items.

Man , if its like they have it gone at one place completely with strangers then why can't I have that level of control with people that I know or randoms?

Correct me if I am wrong about the details of it.
At the end of the day we really don't know how it'll work because they haven't revealed a lot of the online details.

I assume it would be like a lobby like every other game. You create a lobby with a certain rule set and your friends can chose to join it or not.

I could be entirely wrong of course.
 

Yay mecha ridley shenanigans!

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Pic of the day. Here's Donkey Kong's third standard special attack, Storm Punch!! Thanks to the customization options, each fighter is stocked with 12 different special moves. The number of attacks is pretty appalling.

We've made it so that customization options, including special attacks, will be disabled when you're playing online in With Anyone mode. After all, we have to think about game balance, and it's crucial for anonymous players to be able to use reliable tactics against one another. When you're playing in single player, battling with friends online, or playing locally, you're free to play however you want--with or without customization.


HOLY SHIT

HOLY WUBSTORM!


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Pic of the day. Here's Donkey Kong's third standard special attack, Storm Punch!! Thanks to the customization options, each fighter is stocked with 12 different special moves. The number of attacks is pretty appalling.

We've made it so that customization options, including special attacks, will be disabled when you're playing online in With Anyone mode. After all, we have to think about game balance, and it's crucial for anonymous players to be able to use reliable tactics against one another. When you're playing in single player, battling with friends online, or playing locally, you're free to play however you want--with or without customization.

The bolded statement is confusing me. Will there be more moveset customization options other than special attacks? What else could he be referring to here?
 
The bolded statement is confusing me. Will there be more moveset customization options other than special attacks? What else could he be referring to here?

I think he just meant the Miis. They're completely customizable (attack, defense, speed, attire, type, etc.) which is why they can't be used in With Anyone.

 
Sucks pretty hard that costume customisation has been excluded for whatever reason. I'm sure there's some lame Sakurai justification for it, all I know is to me it would be cool.
 
a bit disappointed that the stats of the mii are decided by his equipment..so you can't have both cosmetic and stat wise customization separated
 
Sucks pretty hard that costume customisation has been excluded for whatever reason. I'm sure there's some lame Sakurai justification for it, all I know is to me it would be cool.
Because of balance, just like he says in today's miiverse post. Purely cosmetic costume changes are unique to Miis, and Miis aren't usable online anyway.
 
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Pic of the day. Here's Donkey Kong's third standard special attack, Storm Punch!! Thanks to the customization options, each fighter is stocked with 12 different special moves. The number of attacks is pretty appalling.

We've made it so that customization options, including special attacks, will be disabled when you're playing online in With Anyone mode. After all, we have to think about game balance, and it's crucial for anonymous players to be able to use reliable tactics against one another. When you're playing in single player, battling with friends online, or playing locally, you're free to play however you want--with or without customization.
That's no slight variation as said in the site :p
Anyway, super hyped for the custom moves!
 
That's no slight variation as said in the site :p
Anyway, super hyped for the custom moves!

Looks like a slight variation of Giant Punch with a wind effect that increases DK's threat range.

I like the idea but I would have much preferred additional new attacks. But I'll take what I can get.
 
Looks like a slight variation of Giant Punch with a wind effect that increases DK's threat range.

I like the idea but I would have much preferred additional new attacks. But I'll take what I can get.
it was already specified that only miis and palutena will have entirely different attacks,the other are just variations of their normal attacks,like kirby B that becomes a freeze breath instead of the vacuum
 
The bolded statement is confusing me. Will there be more moveset customization options other than special attacks? What else could he be referring to here?
You know, the usual stuff like Item Selection, Ruleset, Knockback ratio etc.

For Fun iirc is 2minutes Free for all with all items enabled (except Smash Ball) with all stages available except FD. You won't be able to change any of these customizable options in With Anyone.

I assume that's what Sakurai meant.
 
So are customisations much stronger than regular specials? I would have preferred if they were just replacements so they could be used online. Nobody wants to use Mario's Fludd.
 
You know, the usual stuff like Item Selection, Ruleset, Knockback ratio etc.

For Fun iirc is 2minutes Free for all with all items enabled (except Smash Ball) with all stages available except FD. You won't be able to change any of these customizable options in With Anyone.

I assume that's what Sakurai meant.
I believe it was either 4 minutes or it hadn't been decided yet.


2 Minutes is back when you just went random with anyone in Brawl.
 
So are customisations much stronger than regular specials? I would have preferred if they were just replacements so they could be used online. Nobody wants to use Mario's Fludd.

It's most likely gonna depend on the special. For some, the default special may be the best. For others, one of the 2 customization options may be the best.

Also, Mario still has F.L.U.D.D. for all 3 of his down-specials. It's regular F.L.U.D.D., high-pressure F.L.U.D.D., and something else I forgot.
 
So are customisations much stronger than regular specials? I would have preferred if they were just replacements so they could be used online. Nobody wants to use Mario's Fludd.

I don't think they're necessarily stronger, but they likely haven't been tested and balanced as much as the standard moves, so there's probably some broken ones and some really weak ones.
 
Some people on Smashboards are speculating that knockback is randomized. As someone said, my god, that could be worse than tripping if true.
 
Some people on Smashboards are speculating that knockback is randomized. As someone said, my god, that could be worse than tripping if true.
That wouldn't make any sense at all and flies in the very face of what makes Smash smash.

Sound more like baseless speculation to me unlike a lot of people I don't treat demos like a finished production.
 
Some people on Smashboards are speculating that knockback is randomized. As someone said, my god, that could be worse than tripping if true.
It's almost certainly just a bug with the demo build if it is random; randomized knockback would eliminate the entire point of the stamina system.

If the demo build crashes every ten minutes like it did at my Bestbuy, I can easily accept that it might have some other bugs that slipped through.

The guy who made the topic/videos is a well-known player and would certainly know about stale moves. Check out the videos. The difference in knockback from his Claw with 14% extra damage is huge.
The person who made the topic saw a knockback disparity, but had plenty of other explanations.

Knockback may have thresholds of scaling. At 50 you may go nowhere but at 60 you might start flying.

Certain attacks may become priority at certain %'s because of scaling.

Most likely bad DI.

The game isn't finished.
 
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