Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain E3 Full Gameplay Demo [Up: NEW official version!]
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Nightengale
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Hospital scene and Ocelot rescuing you is almost unquestionably the prologue of TPP. Whether or not there's something in-between the prologue and the Afghanistan stage remains to be seen, but it's almost certainly set very early in the game as well.
Morphine_OD
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Yeah, it's just odd that the Mother Base was build to a great extent already, although it could be for the E3 demo.
Yeah, they skipped the iDroid tutorial in the Rescue Kaz scene.
Wishmaster92
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I don't think the sequence with Ishmael is an illusion. Also, i'm guessing this is immediately after the end of GZ
Who is snake looking for? And who is driving the chopper? Notice how nobody is inside and it's after his face got burned from the bomb.
Edit: Also no horn yet. Remember that in the hospital scene you notice the horn.
Who is snake looking for? And who is driving the chopper? Notice how nobody is inside and it's after his face got burned from the bomb.
Edit: Also no horn yet. Remember that in the hospital scene you notice the horn.
Rogue Agent
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You're right. It's been stated that this was a Mother Base that was developed more for the purpose of the demo.
CambriaRising
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Well rescuing Kaz will likely be right after because they said there was a tutorial that they skipped for the demo. Probably a cutscene in-between explaining whats up.
Also, I don't know if anyone has brought this up, and I haven't seen it in any of the Yonyea videos, but isn't it possible that Ocelot established Diamond Dogs before Boss is rescued from the hospital? He would certainly have the resources to do it. It seems weird to me that Big Boss would put off rescuing Kaz just to build up some forces and establish a new base, and we know that it doesn't happen after because the jacket he gives Kaz on the helicopter already has a Diamond Dogs patch.
Love Deterrence
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I don't think the sequence with Ishmael is an illusion. Also, i'm guessing this is immediately after the end of GZ
Who is snake looking for? And who is driving the chopper? Notice how nobody is inside and it's after his face got burned from the bomb.
Edit: Also no horn yet. Remember that in the hospital scene you notice the horn.
My thoughts, exactly. The game probably starts off with the helicopters somehow not colliding, Snake and co. getting back on their feet, something else happening, and then Snake waking up from a coma? Or maybe it plays out in some sort of flashback scenario? I don't know! That sequence will be a part of The Phantom Pain for sure, though.
Nightengale
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My assumption is that Diamond Dogs was established by Kaz in the past 9 years of coma, and that Ocelot is part of the group ( or at least allied ) and thus has some pull in terms of MB resources.
In fact, my suspicion is that all the "Mother Base" base-building mechanic will be disabled in the actual story mission of rescuing Kaz, and that you only truly get reintroduced to Diamond Dogs/Mother Base 2.0 after you rescue Kaz.
CambriaRising
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I don't either, but it is certainly possible that since Boss is already hallucinating Volgin in that early demo that Ishmael is his survival consciousness helping to save him from whats coming. Notice how the character never interacts with Big Boss, and doesn't help him move around easier.
If amnesia does happen during the coma, it is possible that this is the Old Big Boss helping the new one survive long enough to become who he once was again.
That makes sense. I have to keep telling myself that Kaz is awake in those nine years.
I don't think the sequence with Ishmael is an illusion. Also, i'm guessing this is immediately after the end of GZ
Who is snake looking for? And who is driving the chopper? Notice how nobody is inside and it's after his face got burned from the bomb.
Edit: Also no horn yet. Remember that in the hospital scene you notice the horn.
LOL, great minds think a like. i was about to post those two pics
We haven't seen those scenes in GZ.
Seriously i wonder what's going on, so if that
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Also, the water boarding scene from the E3 2013 trailer wasn't in GZ. but that is definitly Camp Omega, we'll probably return to it in TPP. I highly doubt they deleted those scenes from the game.
I don't think the sequence with Ishmael is an illusion. Also, i'm guessing this is immediately after the end of GZ
Who is snake looking for? And who is driving the chopper? Notice how nobody is inside and it's after his face got burned from the bomb.
Edit: Also no horn yet. Remember that in the hospital scene you notice the horn.
I thnk they'll drop this scene it makes no sense...
At the end of GZ his helicopter is blown up in the sea...
I'm pretty sure that is during a cutscenes within Ground Zeros. I think it's him seeing another Base being attacked.I don't think the sequence with Ishmael is an illusion. Also, i'm guessing this is immediately after the end of GZ
Who is snake looking for? And who is driving the chopper? Notice how nobody is inside and it's after his face got burned from the bomb.
Edit: Also no horn yet. Remember that in the hospital scene you notice the horn.
keltickennedy
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I don't think the sequence with Ishmael is an illusion. Also, i'm guessing this is immediately after the end of GZ
Who is snake looking for? And who is driving the chopper? Notice how nobody is inside and it's after his face got burned from the bomb.
Edit: Also no horn yet. Remember that in the hospital scene you notice the horn.
I don't think that scene will be in the game anymore. It was in that trailer before GZ was out. The ending to GZ seemed to change the way things played out. There it seems Paz blows up before they see that mother base is under attack. That's what I think Boss is looking at in that scene, mother base burning.
Rogue Agent
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I've always assumed this thanks to the Diamond Dogs patch in Afghanistan and Kaz saying to him "You see this? Diamond Dogs. Our new home." In the GDC trailer. It also never felt to me like enough time had passed between the Hospital Rescue and the scene in Afghanistan for him to have actually established a base.
I think it was Kaz who established it while Big Boss was in a coma, maybe with Ocelot's help and Ocelot has just been running things in Kaz's absence. But I think it's still a small army and now that Big Boss is back he has to build it up, kind of like MSF technically existed already in Peace Walker we just didn't have an offshore base until the game started. In Phantom Pain's case I think Kaz has already created a small offshore base, and it's up to Big Boss to expand it.
I think Ishmael is just in Big Boss's mind like his survival instinct or something or it's Kid Mantis fucking with Snake.
Keep in mind Ishmael has the same voice actor as Snake (Kiefer Sutherland) and while escaping from the hospital he never helps Snake.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
Hospital scene comes first, Ocelot rescues Snake.
What is that from? I think I missed a trailer somewhere.
Love Deterrence
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But look at his forehead, man! Notice what the menu screen looks like after completing the main Ground Zeroes mission? Snake with a bloody forehead. Besides, most of the work on Ground Zeroes has probably been done for quite a while considering that The Phantom Pain, or Project Ogre, has been in development for many, many years now. There's no way that this is a "deleted scene." At least, that's how I see it.
GDC 2013!
Rogue Agent
Banned
Actually if you to back to the GDC trailer, outside of some updated facial animation the attack on Motherbase is the same where Big Boss's face has no blood on it and his suit is dry during the attack on Motherbase. It's only in this one shot where his suit is wet and there's blood on his face. In the actual game, Big Boss's face only gets bloody after Paz explodes, so this cutscene could be part of the opening of the Phantom Pain.
Wishmaster92
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LOL, great minds think a like. i was about to post those two pics
We haven't seen those scenes in GZ.
Seriously i wonder what's going on, so if thatdidn't put him in a coma i wonder what did.explosion
Also, the water boarding scene from the E3 2013 trailer wasn't in GZ. but that is definitly Camp Omega, we'll probably return to it in TPP. I highly doubt they deleted those scenes from the game.
haha yeah, i don't think that scene got deleted either.
I will sell this game day one if I don't get the exact same sunrise! :3
Heh, I really wouldn't expect too much from this mission. It could be a very boring thing after all, it really will depend on your playstyle. If you suck at stealth, any rescue mission could very well be a nightmare.
Of course, for the trailer, the Kaz rescue was put together and orchestrated perfectly. But I imagine there will be a quite a few different approaches by different players so, I'm looking forward to that!
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The Ocelot scene of course will probably be quite the same for everyone yeah.
Wishmaster92
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But nobody is inside? No miller,chico or medic?
CambriaRising
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GZ ends with a trailer for Phantom Pain where Boss is clearly seen in a hospital with shrapnel sticking out of his head. It makes no sense for the game to open up with Big Boss being knocked out by some other explosion.
I think the scene was changed, not cut, and what we are seeing is what the ride up to mother base at the end of GZ was originally supposed to be.
So do people still believe the bandaged man in the hospital is Decoy Octopus recovering from his facial surgery to remove his nose and ears? Doesn't Big Boss start Foxhound? It would be neat if you had elite soldiers like Decoy Octopus and Ocelot to instruct assignments like in Peace Walker. 1984 seems about right to see a lot of their origins. Psycho Mantis, Vulcan Raven, Liquid have all been hinted at and Ocelot is confirmed. Quiet could be a twist and turn out to be Sniper Wolf and the missing piece would be Decoy Octopus.
I feel goofy making these crazy plots. You won Kojima.
I feel goofy making these crazy plots. You won Kojima.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
What if all of GZ was a coma dream and we still have no idea what actually happened to Snake (if that is really BB)?
A soldier is shot near him while leaving Mother Base and he gets splattered with blood. The shot is them escaping the attacked Mother Base.
Rogue Agent
Banned
It doesn't go on his face in either the final version or the trailer version of the scene, though. I just checked.
Love Deterrence
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Actually, in the portion of the scene from the GDC trailer, you never get a look at what Big Boss is looking at. All we see is a body of water. Back before playing Ground Zeroes, I assumed that it was the destruction of Mother Base, but again, there's no actual evidence that it is Mother Base, as it can't be seen during that sequence. I find it really hard to believe that they would change that scene last minute, especially considering that Kojima suggested players go back and watch previous trailers after completing Ground Zeroes. I don't think he would do that without reason.
keltickennedy
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I don't know. I thought it was implied that after all that shit Big Boss was knocked out and in the coma. I mean Paz explodes and then a helicopter crashes into them. You think that they managed to escape the crash?
why would I care about the right arm when the left one is the prosthetic one?
Rogue Agent
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Either that or another chopper finds Snake and Kaz in the ocean and brings them to the hospital.
I will say that I find it strange how there are 6 people on that chopper. Medic, snake, kaz, Chico, Paz, and morpho.
Paz blows up.
Morpho and kaz survive.
Snake is in a coma.
Where is Chico and medic? Maybe Chico is the medic!
Wishmaster92
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It's kind of silly but i think Ishmael is the medic inside the chopper(YongYea did an analysis of this), everything seems to add up. He shields big boss from the explosion and his voice is exactly Kiefer Sutherland's but at a much lower tone.
"I've been watching over you for 9 years."
My guess is he didn't get injured that much, just a burned face for protecting bb in the chopper. Since hes a a medic he got permission to watch over bb, but why is he in patient gowns?
You never get to see his full face too
v BROTHER!
"I've been watching over you for 9 years."
My guess is he didn't get injured that much, just a burned face for protecting bb in the chopper. Since hes a a medic he got permission to watch over bb, but why is he in patient gowns?
You never get to see his full face too
v BROTHER!
Something is just so weird, Kiefer Sutherland also voices the Medic as this guy found out.
Medic Analysis! Ishmael Uncovered?! Kiefer Voices the Medic?!
I mean seriously wtf? were they just too lazy to get more different VA's or is there more to it?
Edit: FUCKING LOL, GET OUT OF MY HEAD Wishmaster92 :lol
It's kind of silly but i think Ishmael is the medic inside the chopper(YongYea did an analysis of this), everything seems to add up. He shields big boss from the explosion and his voice is exactly Kiefer Sutherland's but at a much lower tone.
"I've been watching over you for 9 years."
My guess is he didn't get injured that much, just a burned face for protecting bb in the chopper. Since hes a a medic he got permission to watch over bb, but why is he in patient gowns?
But the medic has a much deeper voice, unless Ishamel's voice was just a placeholder, he sounds just like Big Boss, personally I think he's imagining him.
Love Deterrence
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But... but they're paying Sutherland by the line, remember? He doesn't speak enough. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I don't think the sequence with Ishmael is an illusion. Also, i'm guessing this is immediately after the end of GZ
Who is snake looking for? And who is driving the chopper? Notice how nobody is inside and it's after his face got burned from the bomb.
Edit: Also no horn yet. Remember that in the hospital scene you notice the horn.
NO NO AND NO! That scene was dropped from GZ. The helicopter crashed. The waterboard scene is TPP.LOL, great minds think a like. i was about to post those two pics
We haven't seen those scenes in GZ.
Seriously i wonder what's going on, so if thatdidn't put him in a coma i wonder what did.explosion
Also, the water boarding scene from the E3 2013 trailer wasn't in GZ. but that is definitly Camp Omega, we'll probably return to it in TPP. I highly doubt they deleted those scenes from the game.
^ this.
Wishmaster92
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But yongyea modified his voice and it's exactly the same? And Kojima goes to great lengths as to not show his face, why? If hes just a simple medic. Here's the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmHfxgM3MNA
SJRB
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Of course not.
CambriaRising
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I think he totally would. Tons of things have been changed from the trailers for his games in the past, there is no reason to believe this game will be any different.
When we first heard ishmael's voice, it was during GDC 2013's live demo right? And it was way before we knew Keifer Sutherland was officially involved in the project (Konami pre-e3 2013 video). Plus, MGS GZ came out in March 2014, a year after the demo.
I personally think Ishamel is the medic and kojima tweaked his voice, I mean he had a year to do so.
Hospital scene comes first, Ocelot rescues Snake.
Nope. This scene comes first
Hospital (somewhere near the crash) after crash>9 years>Hospital (Cyprus)>Escape from hospital>Ocelot rescue>???>Afghanistan
Zambatoh
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I've been saying that Ishmael is really Decoy Octopus, rather then an illusion.
The medic on the chopper got most of the flames in his face, which probably burned him pretty bad. Then you got Ishmael with bandages on his face and for some reason He, Medic, and BB share the same voice actor.
D.O. in MGS1 was not only known for taking his victims appearance, but he also took their blood and their voice.
The medic on the chopper got most of the flames in his face, which probably burned him pretty bad. Then you got Ishmael with bandages on his face and for some reason He, Medic, and BB share the same voice actor.
D.O. in MGS1 was not only known for taking his victims appearance, but he also took their blood and their voice.
Would be kind of strange for him to burn his face and still have bandages after 9 years.
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