Nope. This scene comes first
Hospital (somewhere near the crash) after crash>9 years>Hospital (Cyprus)>Escape from hospital>Ocelot rescue>???>Afghanistan
Yeah i know that scene comes first but what makes you think it's not the same Hospital?
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Yeah i know that scene comes first but what makes you think it's not the same Hospital?
Love Deterrence
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GreyOcelot
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that's gotta be an unused scene with BB bloody faced in the chopper. no other explanation really make much sense.
the waterboarding will happen, but more than likely at a different location than camp omega
the waterboarding will happen, but more than likely at a different location than camp omega
Because the hospital he wakes up in 9 years later is located in Cyprus, a british colony back then. This theory was established ~2 years ago when the first TPP trailer was shown at the VGAs.
Camp Omega was located in Cuba and MSF's Mother Base was an off-shore plant located on the Caribbean Sea. Cyprus is located in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea which is closer to the Middle East.
There is no way in hell anyone could have taken them from the Caribbean Sea to the Mediterranean in such a short notice and have them all alive. They all needed immediate medical care.
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The doctors also have american accents in the first hospital whereas the doctor 9 years later has a foreign accent. Granted, it could be just that one doctor, but the lady that says "V has come to" also sounds similar to him.
Again, that scene was supposed to be in GZ and was left out. No! BB, Kaz, Chico, the Medic & pilot do not magically swim to shore and somehow find a chopper and go back in it only to have it shut down again. This is stupid.
The waterboarding scene happens in daylight which is obviously a scene from TPP and obviously shows that it's Camp Omega.
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How is one totally obvious, while the other is not? Look at the animation on Snake's face. You can see -- no, you can feel his heart breaking. You think Kojima is going to waste THAT? Hell no, yo. Hell no. You can call me a casul MGS scrublord who knows nothing of Kojima's greatness if I'm wrong, but there is no way we don't see that scene. No way.
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That's pretty good.
Zambatoh
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Ha! I actually would've liked to do that to the radio. Miller gets so annoying sometimes.
So you're telling me that he's going to survive 2 consecutive chopper attacks?
GreyOcelot
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yeah, that's what i meant. it's not going to be in TPP.
now this is just silly, and makes absolutely no sense
i don't think we'll return to camp omega. i think either (a) he didn't want us to see where that scene occurs in TPP, or (b) that area of camp omega was just used as a place holder for the trailer, since the area where that scene occurs wasn't finished
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What I'm saying is that I don't beleive the choppers ever collide. I think they miss, they run into trouble elsewhere and Snake ends up in a coma. Not sure how, but I don't believe it's the implied collision.
We don't have to go back there. The scene could be shown regardless of BB's presence in the area.
Love Deterrence
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XOF's chopper was clearly going to collide with MSF's chopper. Even if they didn't collide, the chopper was going down because of Paz' explosion.
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Again, it doesn't matter how strong it is -- an implication is an implication. We won't know until the game is out; I'm just giving my take-away as you are giving yours. You see it as clear-cut removal of a scene, while I do not. All I'm saying is... A scene being taken out of The Phantom Pain after late March 2013? Sure. I could see that happening, and quite a bit at that. A scene being taken out of Ground Zeroes after late March 2013? I have my doubts.
Not going to happen. GZ is a standalone game. Get over it.
Muffdraul
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It already is.
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There was never anything for me to be "over" and I've already played it. Just saying what would be the smart thing of them to do. I obviously don't think me saying it here will have any impact on whether or not they'd do it even if they were considering it since this is just a video game forum.
Wishmaster92
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So chico is definitely in the gdc 2013 trailer
He's in the same location as in the final
This is after the bomb. I don't see him here.
Finally here is the chopper snake is in (post bomb) number 794. I'll replay gz again and see if the chopper has the same number.
He's in the same location as in the final
This is after the bomb. I don't see him here.
Finally here is the chopper snake is in (post bomb) number 794. I'll replay gz again and see if the chopper has the same number.
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I think they'll include it with "first print" copies as a downloadable voucher. A PC release would guarantee inclusion, though, as I'm positive they would be sold as a bundle in that scenario.
So chico is definitely in the gdc 2013 trailer
He's in the same location as in the final
This is after the bomb. I don't see him here.
Finally here is the chopper snake is in (post bomb) number 794. I'll replay gz again and see if the chopper has the same number.
Dude, you have got to stop reading our minds. I was getting ready to look that up, myself! (Thanks for posting, by the way!)
Why not? What's so relevant about that scene? How is it adding to the story?
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So all this happens in TPP also? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ht7xat2Gjk#t=104 BUT IT WAS IN THE TRAILER!!.......I don't think so.
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It's not about what it adds to the story. It's what it adds to the character. All Hideo Kojima has talked about with the Kiefer Sutherland hire is how he wanted Snake to be able to express himself through subtle facial animations. That particular scene is a facial animation gold mine.
You just put words in my post. I don't see where I said that?
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I'm certainly with you there.
They better have NOT cut the waterboarding scene or i'll be extremely pissed. Such a fantastic and heart breaking scene. You can see the soldier yells at the prisoner while pouring water all over his face.
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You guys are thrown off by Kojima all the time. This is probably a completely different scene. BB looked fucked up in a chopper probably isn't some unique event, and at the end of GZ it looked like the chopper was taken out...
Unless this scene happens THEN the chopper's engines fail and it crashes
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Hahaha! Yeah, you got me there.
By the way, the chopper at the end of Ground Zeroes is 794 -- same chopper!
Wishmaster92
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To me it would mean that big boss didn't lose his arm or went into coma because of the chopper crash. Or simply that the chopper didn't crash.
hmmm so it didn't crash then? That's strange.Hahaha! Yeah, you got me there.
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I'm telling ya, man. ;-)
I know why Kojima hired Kiefer, I just don't see how they could have escaped the crash or how the chopper somehow missed XOF's chopper. And assuming they somehow managed to escape, then what? What's the point of Paz' sacrifice then? If what you're saying is true then Paz' sacrifice was for nothing and that would make the whole scene pointless as I'm sure Kojima was trying to make a point out of this specific scene.
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Maybe right before he wakes up we see this scene as a dream, a sort of very quick flashback to the end events of Ground Zeroes.
Yet it looks empty? You guys used this argument that it's empty to prove it's a different chopper but now that the number of the chopper is the same how would you explain the "chopper didn't crash" argument?
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That's part of the fun. Paz can be sacrificed and have it all be for not; the point of MGSV is revenge and from what Kojima has said, he wants the player to want revenge, too. What better way than with a meaningless sacrifice? Not saying that will be the case, but it could be.
Yeah, I could totally see that. Maybe he's dreaming, piecing his memories together and this is how he sees it? I don't know, but yeah, certainly possible!
No, that was his argument and he had a completely different argument from mine (edit: at least in terms of how things go down, but I guess we had the same core idea -- but still, that wasn't my argument).
Something seems just really strange. The hospital scene he is waaay skinnier than in Afghanistan.
Just look at his arm, i wonder how long Snake spends time with Ocelot after he rescues him from the hospital before they start the mission to rescue Kaz.
Just look at his arm, i wonder how long Snake spends time with Ocelot after he rescues him from the hospital before they start the mission to rescue Kaz.
OH COME ON! Enough with the damn dream theories and the VR. NO GZ was NOT a dream and NO Big Boss DOES NOT have a double.
Wishmaster92
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Something seems just really strange. The hospital scene he is waaay skinnier than in Afghanistan.
Just look at his arm, i wonder how long Snake spends time with Ocelot after he rescues him from the hospital before they start the mission to rescue Kaz.
Edit: misread your post.
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Steroids + chit ton of food everyday Im thinkingSomething seems just really strange. The hospital scene he is waaay skinnier than in Afghanistan.
Just look at his arm, i wonder how long Snake spends time with Ocelot after he rescues him from the hospital before they start the mission to rescue Kaz.
Love Deterrence
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BECAUSE YOU HAVE PLAYED THE GAME AND WE HAVE NOT. And again, NOT MY THEORY (just agreed that his could be a possibility) -- quote the right guy, please.
GreyOcelot
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uhhhh....WAT
Something seems just really strange. The hospital scene he is waaay skinnier than in Afghanistan.
Just look at his arm, i wonder how long Snake spends time with Ocelot after he rescues him from the hospital before they start the mission to rescue Kaz.
Yup that's something that was discussed before. There is definitely a rehabilitation period that occurred after Ocelot rescues Big Boss. How long it took him to get back on his legs? We don't know but it definitely looks like a long period of time passed. Less than a year for sure.
Not sure if this was posted yet, but has anyone noticed this?
Top image is from the shorter version of the trailer shown at the Sony E3 conference. The bottom is the extended trailer. Notice the difference in his camouflage and how the guy behind Miller is missing in one of the trailers.
I wonder if certain characters rescued effects if they show up in certain scenes. This certainly leans in favor of us being able to choose our outfits, as they will no doubt bleed into cutscenes as they have in past MGS games.
Quoted for a new page, in case others haven't noticed this difference.
For those interested, I'm gonna be streaming GZ for a little bit.
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Something seems just really strange. The hospital scene he is waaay skinnier than in Afghanistan.
Just look at his arm, i wonder how long Snake spends time with Ocelot after he rescues him from the hospital before they start the mission to rescue Kaz.
Kaz... I'm already a bodybuilder.
What? No, I'm not saying Ground Zeroes was a dream. I'm saying, right before Snake wakes from his nine year coma that he dreams these moments, like the one where he's looking out of the chopper, as a sort of flashback.
EDIT: Ah, you were replying to someone else, my mistake.
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