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Sn4ke_911 said:
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Hahah, I just watched Enemy, not bad. Seems Kojima liked it very much. I'm interpreting the tweet (alongside the previous one) as him saying "Even though the story should be understood by everybody and have a clear and concise ending, movies like Enemy stay in your mind and you keep obsessing over them", because the movie is pretty much opposite of straightforward, the plot and events being open to interpretation and pretty confusing without some context.
 
ichtyander said:
Hahah, I just watched Enemy, not bad. Seems Kojima liked it very much. I'm interpreting the tweet (alongside the previous one) as him saying "Even though the story should be understood by everybody and have a clear and concise ending, movies like Enemy stay in your mind and you keep obsessing over them", because the movie is pretty much opposite of straightforward, the plot and events being open to interpretation and pretty confusing without some context.
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But he already made MGS2..
 
Two Words said:
Yes it is a big change because missions will have a time limit. If you have3 days to save Kaz, then you only have so much time to burn from getting caught. Maybe you'll hit a point where you no longer have time to burn and have to continue with the whole base on full alert. Getting caught and advancing time would also change where soldiers are, another challenge.
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that's a fair point. never thought of that
 
XOF Unit said:
I hope no more MGR's ever exist. I hated the camera, the bosses, the story, and the controls. I'm was more than happy when Kojima confirmed that it isn't canon.
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You're INSANE!

Metal Gear Rising was amazing, even despite the messy development history, the boss fights were glorious, the combat was satisfying and the music, or lord the music.

Imagining what Platinum could do on a bigger budget, with more time is a giddy proposition.
 
XOF Unit said:
I hope no more MGR's ever exist. I hated the camera, the bosses, the story, and the controls. I'm was more than happy when Kojima confirmed that it isn't canon.
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The fuck did i just read?

Betty said:
You're INSANE!

Metal Gear Rising was amazing, even despite the messy development history, the boss fights were glorious, the combat was satisfying and the music, or lord the music.

Imagining what Platinum could do on a bigger budget, with more time is a giddy proposition.
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Totally agreed, fucking amazing game and dat soundtrack!

Give me MGR2 in glorious Fox Engine.
 
Betty said:
You're INSANE!

Metal Gear Rising was amazing, even despite the messy development history, the boss fights were glorious, the combat was satisfying and the music, or lord the music.

Imagining what Platinum could do on a bigger budget, with more time is a giddy proposition.
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This.

God, this.

This.

I never thought I would be a fan of Rising. I've always been an MGS purist, but Platinum really won me over. I found Rising to be such an excellent game that I've since gone back to try out some their other incredible titles such as Bayonetta and Vanquish. Bayonetta 2 is now one of my most anticipated games simply because of the unbelievable experience I've had with this studio - an experience that began with Metal Gear Rising.
 
BobTheFork said:
Damn I wish I didn't know that. I saw people speculating and I wasn't sure who Eli was. From descriptions, it pretty much has to be Liquid. Maybe they aren't trying to hide it....I don't know how I feel about that.
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Yeah, the hints they are giving out are so obvious people are going to be shocked when it turns out that Eli ISN'T Liquid (it's solid !)
 
XOF Unit said:
I hope no more MGR's ever exist. I hated the camera, the bosses, the story, and the controls. I'm was more than happy when Kojima confirmed that it isn't canon.
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I hope MGR exists forever. The camera wasn't bad, the bosses were incredible, the story was as insane and hilarious as MGS at its best, and the controls were perfection. It will always be canon in my heart.
 
I simply didn't like it. It did not feel Metal Gear, at all. The characters were forgettable and annoying (that little kid with the shitty dialect, what?).

Mr. Smiley said:
It is canon.
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It isn't. Kojima confirmed this. I don't recall which interview. Besides, he's said countless times that the MG universe is split into 2 canons; the games that are stamped 'written and directed by Hideo Kojima' and those that aren't. Play Deja-Vu in GZ, use the special light, and shine it on the MGR logo, "Looks like that's nothing special." When I did that in GZ, my faith in the series was restored.

DieH@rd said:
It's 100% canon, but it is a way different type of game than previous MGS titles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7BTtiAQuZ0
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Ah yes, I recall seeing that and being quite butthurt, then Kojima later confirmed this to be untrue. Then the butthurt went away.

If I can find that interview, I'll link it. I remember Kojima saying that he liked what Platinum did, but in his mind that is NOT what he would have done to the story after 4.
 
It Has to Be This Way was a great song.

Sins of the Father is another great song.

The music in all these games is so inspiring and fantastic.

abrack08 said:
When/where did Kojima confirm it wasn't canon though? I must have missed that
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The people that argue it's non-canon use this interview where he describes it as a "parallel universe" and "interpretation" by Platinum of the universe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OGvhlKNzw

I think it's just a thing Kojima has with games he hasn't developed like Rising and Portable Ops. The official Konami stance is that they're officially canon and part of the timeline, but Kojima makes some conflicting statements that makes it seem like he's unsure and leaves it sort of ambiguous on his end.
 
XOF Unit said:
It isn't. Kojima confirmed this. I don't recall which interview. Besides, he's said countless times that the MG universe is split into 2 canons; the games that are stamped 'written and directed by Hideo Kojima' and those that aren't. Play Deja-Vu in GZ, use the special light, and shine it on the MGR logo, "Looks like that's nothing special." When I did that in GZ, my faith in the series was restored.
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Wait... You lost faith in the series because Rising may have been canon? What does that mean -- would you have passed on MGSV, if Rising was indeed considered canon? It's OK to not like Rising. It's not OK to wish ill on Rising because it may "smear" the label of "A Hideo Kojima Game."
 
I just dont get it sometimes... I am not against a MGR2 but I cant for the life of me understand the praise the game seems to get in regards to its story...

Ffs the story is completely ridiculous and its ok i can understand it because the game is full of plain utterly ridiculous action...but seriously the story is plain ugly and kind of fucks up the rest of the series...

How ironic that there is a hate trend towards MGS4 story and we hear praise for MGR's story... SMH seriously
 
Edzi said:
I hope MGR exists forever. The camera wasn't bad, the bosses were incredible, the story was as insane and hilarious as MGS at its best, and the controls were perfection. It will always be canon in my heart.
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Rising's camera is the absolute worst. Especially in tight spaces. It's always getting stuck on the walls and it can't even keep up with the boss fights very well, because it's so slow to turn or follow when locked on.
 
Love Deterrence said:
Wait... You lost faith in the series because Rising may have been canon? What does that mean -- would you have passed on MGSV, if Rising was indeed considered canon? It's OK to not like Rising. It's not OK to wish ill on Rising because it may "smear" the label of "A Hideo Kojima Game."
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No no, as in it would have been the RE6 of the RE series. I still love it, but I wish they didn't waste their time with it.

Rogue Agent said:
The people that argue it's non-canon use this interview where he describes it as a "parallel universe" and "interpretation" by Platinum of the universe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OGvhlKNzw

I think it's just a thing Kojima has with games he hasn't developed like Rising and Portable Ops. The official Konami stance is that they're officially canon and part of the timeline, but Kojima makes some conflicting statements that makes it seem like he's unsure and leaves it sort of ambiguous on his end.
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Thats it.
 
while i didn't particularly like the story in MGR, i thought it was a very fun hack and slash game. i just think kojima is very protective of metal gear because of this debacle:

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eso76 said:
Yeah, the hints they are giving out are so obvious people are going to be shocked when it turns out that Eli ISN'T Liquid (it's solid !)
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Yeah, it's odd. Again, I didn't remember who Eli was in any of this so I look him up and the first thing it says is he has the words 'liquid man' on his back. What else do you need.
I hope I end of surprised.
 
valkyre said:
I just dont get it sometimes... I am not against a MGR2 but I cant for the life of me understand the praise the game seems to get in regards to its story...

Ffs the story is completely ridiculous and its ok i can understand it because the game is full of plain utterly ridiculous action...but seriously the story is plain ugly and kind of fucks up the rest of the series...

How ironic that there is a hate trend towards MGS4 story and we hear praise for MGR's story... SMH seriously
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Agreed. I was about to say the same thing. People hate on MGS4 (not saying it was great, for what it did to MGS2 and 3's story), but love Rising? What?

Zambatoh said:
Rising's camera is the absolute worst. Especially in tight spaces. It's always getting stuck on the walls and it can't even keep up with the boss fights very well, because it's so slow to turn or follow when locked on.
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This. Especially during the blade wolf fight. The camera was like a physical object getting stuck on walls!
 
ichtyander said:
Hahah, I just watched Enemy, not bad. Seems Kojima liked it very much. I'm interpreting the tweet (alongside the previous one) as him saying "Even though the story should be understood by everybody and have a clear and concise ending, movies like Enemy stay in your mind and you keep obsessing over them", because the movie is pretty much opposite of straightforward, the plot and events being open to interpretation and pretty confusing without some context.
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This is interesting. The film Enemy currently has two different interpretations.

1. The film is basically about two men who look exactly the same swapping places and living each other's lives. Decoy Octopus anyone?
2. The film is about one guy who has very vivid dreams due to a traumatic event that takes place. Wasn't there a theory that a lot of GZ or TPP takes place in a dream while BB is in a coma?
 
Rogue Agent said:
The people that argue it's non-canon use this interview where he describes it as a "parallel universe" and "interpretation" by Platinum of the universe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OGvhlKNzw

I think it's just a thing Kojima has with games he hasn't developed like Rising and Portable Ops. The official Konami stance is that they're officially canon and part of the timeline, but Kojima makes some conflicting statements that makes it seem like he's unsure and leaves it sort of ambiguous on his end.
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Ah. Oh well, who knows. MGR's fan fictiony story isn't making me think less of the franchise either way.
 
XOF Unit said:
I hope no more MGR's ever exist. I hated the camera, the bosses, the story, and the controls. I'm was more than happy when Kojima confirmed that it isn't canon.
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Rising was a game people either loved or hated. I had a tough time with the controls at first but the positive gaf impressions led me to believe I must be fucking up. I kept at it and it just clicked. I loved everything about Rising and still listen to the soundtrack.
 
XOF Unit said:
Agreed. I was about to say the same thing. People hate on MGS4 (not saying it was great, for what it did to MGS2 and 3's story), but love Rising? What?
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I think the people who love Rising's story do so because they prefer the silly/campy side of MGS. If you prefer the serious/dramatic angle I can see why Rising would be disappointing. Maybe I'm just lucky but I like both. Sure, MGR wasn't Hamlet, but it was good enough for a great hack-n-slash action game with amazing boss fights
 
abrack08 said:
I think the people who love Rising's story do so because they prefer the silly/campy side of MGS. If you prefer the serious/dramatic angle I can see why Rising would be disappointing. Maybe I'm just lucky but I like both. Sure, MGR wasn't Hamlet, but it was good enough for a great hack-n-slash action game with amazing boss fights
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I do like the more serious side, however the campy side I am not opposed to. I just wish the serious side was more in the spotlight sometimes. I'm glad this is happening for MGSV.
 
I don't care for Rising's story(besides loving Armstrong) but that gameplay was so good, anyone who says there shouldn't be a sequel is on my shit list.
 
The Silver said:
I don't care for Rising's story(besides loving Armstrong) but that gameplay was so good, anyone who says there shouldn't be a sequel is on my shit list.
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The gameplay was wack. They should reward you for doing awesome combos, not for fighting with the camera and trying not to get hit (which is kinda hard sometimes, cause of the camera lol).

MGR2 might be a good game, since they will have a clearer picture of what they want, but MGR was a mess. It's a good game when considered in a vacuum, but when I put it against Bayonetta and DMC3, it falls so fucking flat it hurts.

And I'm no hater, bought the game, still own it, finished it multiple times on all difficulties and I'm not salty about anything. The game wasn't what it could be. Needs better dodging controls (screw square+X) and less reliance on parrying. That just slows the pacing down. The fact that you had to zandatsu every-single-thing to get an S was tiresome. Let it slip once and get hit? Even if you only lost 0,1% hp? No S for you. It's super bullshit and honestly, not fun. Dmc3 was way harder than this game and it was more challenging, fun and fair. That's my opinion, and I have zero problems in going against the tide. Platinum is an awesome team, but even they sometimes screw up. MGR is a screw up in my books. I'm certain that given more time they will have a clearer picture of what they want in MGR2 and I will be pleasantly surprised, but Rising didn't wow me.
 
I honestly believe Kojima is dancing around whether Rising is cannon or not for a business reason.

If he comes straight out and say the game is non-cannon, especially around the release date, it will almost certainly reduce sales. Non-cannon games usually are associated with what I call lower quality products.

I'd bet some time down the line when the MGR:R series is done with he will boldly claim it is not cannon. Like others said, if it ain't Kojima it ain't cannon.
 
Ateron said:
The gameplay was wack. They should reward you for doing awesome combos, not for fighting with the camera and trying not to get hit (which is kinda hard sometimes, cause of the camera lol).

MGR2 might be a good game, since they will have a clearer picture of what they want, but MGR was a mess. It's a good game when considered in a vacuum, but when I put it against Bayonetta and DMC3, it falls so fucking flat it hurts.
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This this this. I HATED that camera. What 'good' game makes the camera a physical object that can get stuck on geometry and objects?
 
abrack08 said:
I think the people who love Rising's story do so because they prefer the silly/campy side of MGS. If you prefer the serious/dramatic angle I can see why Rising would be disappointing. Maybe I'm just lucky but I like both. Sure, MGR wasn't Hamlet, but it was good enough for a great hack-n-slash action game with amazing boss fights
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Doesn't apply to me.

I'd much prefer if MGS went back to MGS1's tone and focused on being a moody, weird espionage title, and it actually bothers me when stuff like the Fulton system have such a prominent role. MGR wasn't just dumb and campy though, it was funny and entertaining. It bathed itself in over the top nonsense and rarely slowed down to try and establish the serious side. That makes me look at the title differently and appreciate it as the nonsense it is. MGS4 on the other hand was long winded absurd melodrama. It's tiring and and sits on the wrong side of "ridiculous."
 
I find it easier to pretend Rising doesn't exist than to get annoyed about it. Even as a fan of the series I think the story is awful and as someone who doesn't like Platinum games, there's nothing on the gameplay side for me. It disappoints on both fronts.

Ac!d 3 rather Rising 2.
 
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