Welp.
Luis Suarez the football vampire has bitten another player [Update: BANNED]
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Welp.
terrisus
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Don't know who that is.
But, it's just strange to see people expressing such horror over something like this, and wondering why there isn't horror about all the other stuff as well.
WAR recon zero
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So some fans are waiting for Luis in the airport to support him.
http://www.ovaciondigital.com.uy/mundial/luis-suarez-aeropuerto-carrasco.html
LOL
On the web portals all I read is shame posts and they are condemning the little twat
http://www.ovaciondigital.com.uy/mundial/luis-suarez-aeropuerto-carrasco.html
LOL
On the web portals all I read is shame posts and they are condemning the little twat
Maninthemirror
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There is a bite which got punished but then there is going overboard as if he cut off someone's hands during the game. Its getting to that level soon
terrisus
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Steve Youngblood
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I kind of feel like it shouldn't merit an explanation as to why biting people on multiple occasions is seen as more problematic than some of the stuff that -- while still egregious -- commonly occurs during a game. Further, I don't think anyone is suggesting that repeat offenders of non-violent acts of biting should be given a free pass since non-biting aggression is obviously always less problematic than biting someone. But still, a guy who bites someone is going to stand out.
criesofthepast
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Not really surprising considering he is still a national hero in Uruguay. If Falcao went around biting people and got sent home there would be people waiting for him at the airport in Colombia too. You'll always have a defense force for everything.
I actually feel bad for Suarez now after reading some comments by his grandmother I think. Talking about possible depression and his parents divorce. He is mentally ill and needs help. Hope he gets it. I can't imagine what he must be feeling right now.
terrisus
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I don't know, there have been some people through this thread (moreso in terms of the handball side-discussion) who have basically said that anything which is a foul is shameful and harms the game and such.
Sure, I can definitely see reasons why this stands out. Obviously it is strange, and inappropriate, and deserving of punishment - which it got. But, there are plenty of comments which are going far beyond that.
The Hermit
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He´s amazing though, a big loss on this WC
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WC 2014
He´s amazing though, a big loss on this WC
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Yes it does. If a particular penalty isn't being called against another team, it shouldn't be called on me.
Steve Youngblood
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I think you're just kind of ignoring that all these individual components added together tell a more complete story. I'm not saying that it's impossible for me to appreciate that he still possesses an amazing talent for the game which some will still appreciate in spite of his antics, but it's kind of difficult for me to regard him as defensible at all. Unless you're just feeling pity for whatever mental health issues he obviously has, at least one of the multiple character flaws has to stand out a bit and make him the kind of figure that you root against.
As for the fouls, I sort of feel like there's partly a philosophical difference that some possess, and partly a disconnect to establish where lines -- whether they seem arbitrary or not -- do exist. Obviously, some people are going to look at a situation like the handball and conclude that he did the right thing because ultimately it resulted in his team winning when they otherwise surely would have lost. But I think some others feel like it's not in the spirit of fairplay.
Which invites comparisons -- some outright disingenuous, others apt -- to other scenarios wherein we ask the question of whether or not all rules violations should be perceived as equally egregious. And, though I know I'm beating a dead horse here and not bringing any new or interesting points to the table, I'm going to attempt to articulate why in the minds of some, winning the game via a handball is different than, say, other intentional fouls in basketball that you seem keen on bringing up.
Reason the first would be that it absolutely, unquestionably changes the outcome of the game. It's not a vague notion wherein we suggest that it was a "momentum changer" and talk about hypothetical situations. A probable goal wasn't stopped; a definite goal was. I think that in and of itself differentiates from a situation of talking about what makes it different from fouling someone on a breakaway. Yes, we might argue that it's bad form to intentionally foul someone who is out in front and posing a very real threat, but it doesn't really feel right in that kind of a situation to suggest that a goal should just be automatically awarded, for instance, when it's not clear at all that this was the inevitable outcome of the break. It's still poor form, but I think it's clear that the handball is a more flagrant offense.
Reason the second is that, often times, many violations at least have a pretense of appearing to be legitimate. Even if in the act of desperation the offense appears pretty blatant, there's probably some belief that they might be able to pull off this challenge cleanly. That probably doesn't apply to all, mind you. But I'm just saying that there have probably a lot of ugly challenges out there wherein the player probably thinks that if they time things just right, they'll pull it off. With something like the handball, no case can even be feigned in regards to suggesting that it was an attempt at a legitimate deflection that just went awry.
Reason the third I think is that it can be argued that the penalty for the handball is absolutely inadequate for that particular scenario. As such, it becomes less of a keen play, and more of a no-brainer wherein the system is just being worked. Earlier on in the game, the threat of the red card/penalty kick is clear, which is why you don't see defenders doing whatever it takes to stop every shot all the time. The high probability of the PK being converted plus playing a man down makes it a pretty silly gamble at most stages of the game. But in this scenario, it's not a gamble at all. Even if it was likely that the PK went in and Suarez went down needlessly, the outcome is still exactly the same: they lose the game.
When it's clearly worth it to commit such a flagrant offense, it might be worth considering that the penalty is inadequate. If one's only concern is seeing Uruguay win that game, there's no argument to be made whatsoever in regards to arguing that Suarez took an unnecessarily risky gamble in getting himself ejected from the game. Maybe he was justly punished as per the predefined rules of the game, but I think some would argue that the rules perhaps deserve some further deliberation where -- in a situation like that -- there's no reason at all to fear the punishment. When the rules say "don't do this" and lay out repercussions for ignoring that rule that are not feared by the player, the rule may not be working as intended.
I'll conclude by saying that I really don't have a clear stance on it. I go back and forth. I understand why some would deem it savvy. I understand why others viewing it as "cheating" or not in the spirit of the game and reject a "win at all costs" philosophy. I don't necessarily know if I even think there is a right answer here in regards to any questioning about what, if anything, to do about such scenarios. And with that, my meandering rant is at an end.
terrisus
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I'm going to be going to sleep soon, so I'm not nearly awake enough to give this a meaningful read and reply, but I wanted to post to thank you for the response, and give you my word that I will read it and respond tomorrow.
speculawyer
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All joking aside, the guy does have some serious problems.
I mean really . . . it is not just an anger thing . . . actually BITING people? 3 times? There is some serious mental issue there. I understand (but do not condone) pushing, hitting, kicking, etc. . . . but biting? WTF
He's got some mental issues or some mafioso paid him to bite someone to collect on a high paying bet.
I mean really . . . it is not just an anger thing . . . actually BITING people? 3 times? There is some serious mental issue there. I understand (but do not condone) pushing, hitting, kicking, etc. . . . but biting? WTF
He's got some mental issues or some mafioso paid him to bite someone to collect on a high paying bet.
Blood Diamonds
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Sarcastico
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Generally, they're pissed off that his ban was carried over to the domestic league. He can't even train with his teammates.
On the bright side, at least they're safe for a few months.
Aeriscloud
Banned
Orochisuarez?
Silent on Facebook. It's comical compared to how they were with 4 weeks to go in the league.
Some seem annoyed that the ban is valid for Liverpool too. He won't be there when the season starts anyway.
What's that got to do with anything?
MMaRsu
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He´s amazing though, a big loss on this WC
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Both stunts are fucking retarded. Fuck him and his disrespect for the sport
akachan ningen
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It's not that big of a deal. I used to bite my gf like that all the time.
We should sell him. I used to defend him after the Ivanovic bite, but that was just to bust people's balls. I seriously think he has mental issues. I doubt he goes into a game and thinks: Today I will bite some motherfucker. He's an amazing talent which he has shown on several occasions last season and in this world cup. He is also a liability.
My reluctance to let him go is the fact that when he is focused, he's one of the best players in the world. We won't be able to get a player of his caliber, I don't think. If we get someone like Alexis Sanchez (pipe dream), then sell him.
travisbickle
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It's pretty normal, one person can never match the outrage of the people of the internet.
Opus Angelorum
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Suarez's grandmother said:
Well when you bite someone like a dog...
WAR recon zero
Banned
Suarez lost the Adidas and 888bet sponsorship
that will hurt more
that will hurt more
MisterHero
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Don't watch soccer but thread title is hilarious.
Seriously though, that's some horrid sportsmanship.
Seriously though, that's some horrid sportsmanship.
questionmark
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°°ToMmY°°;118470452 said:
This is perfect. Aside from the biting episode, they are both (terrible) actors.
So conspiracy theorists say he is actually trying to bite Gerrard here.
:lol :lol
wtf is wrong with him
Wait so this was just his way of showing affection?
So conspiracy theorists say he is actually trying to bite Gerrard here.
QuicheFontaine
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°°ToMmY°°;118470452 said:
I already made a "Tyranno-suarez" joke earlier in the thread. I wish I'd saved it for this.
Luis Suarez to receive hero's welcome at Montevideo airport as Uruguay fans flock to hail striker after bite ban
Uruguay supporters gather at Montevideo's airport to wait for the return of Luis Suarez - and even the president turns up - but there's no sign of their superstar
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Uruguayans of all stripes were nearly unanimous in their support of Suarez after being told of his punishment, calling it excessive for what they felt was an act of immaturity.
"It feels like Uruguay has been thrown out of the World Cup," Uruguayan FA president Wilmar Valdez said in Rio.
Diego Suarez, the striker's youngest brother who is also a player, called the sanction an "unbelievable" decision.
Juan Jose Monzillo, a Uruguay fan who lives in Montevideo, called it a conspiracy. "They clearly wanted to kick Suarez out of the World Cup. Uruguay is a small country that eliminated two big nations like Italy and England and it doesn't benefit Fifa to let Uruguay continue playing."
At the time of the bite, Suarez escaped unpunished as the referee did not see the incident. However, following world-wide condemnation for the act, Fifa has been quick to reveal judgement.
"Such behavior cannot be tolerated on any football pitch and in particular not at a Fifa World Cup, when the eyes of millions of people are on the stars on the field," Claudio Sulser, chairman of the Fifa disciplinary committee, said in a statement.
However, Uruguayans did not buy the explanation.
"The immorality and hypocrisy of Fifa has no limits. Neither does Chiellini's inclination for being a tattle-tale and a fink!" said Luis Puig, a lawmaker for Uruguay's ruling Broad Front coalition.
more at the link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ans-flock-to-hail-striker-after-bite-ban.html
RedBaron17
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He should've shown sportsmanship and hide it under his shirt.
Seriously though, it's getting ridiculous how Uruguay is trying to spin this.
Jonesy7707
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You're not actually serious about the hiding it part are you?
gutterboy44
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Uruguay, stop. Please just stop now. This has gone from embarrassing to pathetic.
I guess they're all wearing the blinders Suarez left behind in his stable.
I guess they're all wearing the blinders Suarez left behind in his stable.
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