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[Htown]

Yeah I guess that would make sense.
It does seem like there's some confusion about what the Avatar state actually is, since it was originally described as allowing access to past avatars' experiences, buuuut Korra can apparently still use it as a powerup without having that connection.

I guess it makes sense that she still gets extra power from Raava while in the Avatar state, even though the connection to the past Avatars is gone. After all, Wan was able to go into the Avatar state even though he was the first one.

It's a whole new avatar cycle, I suppose.

Plus, what Amon was using his blood bending to block off their spiritual path ways (to cut off their energy). Korra was just re-opening them. I don't really think that's the same thing as knowing how to do the reverse. What Amon was doing wasn't the same as Aang? I think Aang was actually energy bending.

That's true, too.

 

[Kinvara]

Really shocked Nick.com still doesn't have them up. Jesus. No advertisement/marketing, random Premiere a week and a half later..and then they can't get them up on their site for a day and a half later? SMH

It should be up by Sunday at the latest but, yeah, it sucks because my Dad and bro were looking forward to it.

 

[Mononoke]

I guess it makes sense that she still gets extra power from Raava while in the Avatar state, even though the connection to the past Avatars is gone. After all, Wan was able to go into the Avatar state even though he was the first one.

It's a whole new avatar cycle, I suppose.

I never fully understood the mini-avatar state she would go into. Aang couldn't control it and he was spiritual. Korra is terrible with her spirituality, and was able to have like a half way state. I know this complaint isn't new (people have been saying this for a while). But now it's confusing that she's lost the connection to her past Avatar's. I get that technically she can connect to Raava, but eh? I guess?

 

[m_shortpants]

Saw this on reddit. Pretty cool little reference the animators threw in:

ATLA S02E18 "The Earth King" - apartment complex that Iroh and Zuko lived in.

Korra S03E03 "The Earth Queen" - apartment complex that Mako/Bolin's family live in.

 

[KHlover]

Saw this on reddit. Pretty cool little reference the animators threw in:

ATLA S02E18 "The Earth King" - apartment complex that Iroh and Zuko lived in.



Korra S03E03 "The Earth Queen" - apartment complex that Mako/Bolin's family live in.

Heh, even the clothes are in the same spot. Which actually kinda is is the only evidence supporting this. There's probably a million of these same appartment complexes in Ba Sing Se

 

[Mr-Joker]

Well I watched the first three episode of season three and I guess they're just going to brush the whole Avatar line being gone under carpet only for it to return as a deus ex machina, because that's what it feels like to me.

Also still annoyed that Korra still hasn't learn to control her hot headiness, she's really is the worse avatar.

Also is it just me or does Kai look a little like Aang?

 

[Mononoke]

Well I watched the first three episode of season three and I guess they're just going to brush the whole Avatar line being gone under carpet only for it to return as a deus ex machina, because that's what it feels like to me.

Also still annoyed that Korra still hasn't learn to control her hot headiness, she's really is the worse avatar.

Also is it just me or does Kai look a little like Aang?

Sounds likely. The fact that they brought it up, tells us they will be a point where she gets her past lives back (or rather can connect to them again). Given their track record so far, them using it as a Deus Ex makes sense.

 

[MikeDown]

Well I watched the first three episode of season three and I guess they're just going to brush the whole Avatar line being gone under carpet only for it to return as a deus ex machina, because that's what it feels like to me.

Also still annoyed that Korra still hasn't learn to control her hot headiness, she's really is the worse avatar.

Also is it just me or does Kai look a little like Aang?

I want to see more hot headiness from Korra, there are some people in this show I want to see here smack around.

 

[KHlover]

Well I watched the first three episode of season three and I guess they're just going to brush the whole Avatar line being gone under carpet only for it to return as a deus ex machina, because that's what it feels like to me.

Also still annoyed that Korra still hasn't learn to control her hot headiness, she's really is the worse avatar.

Also is it just me or does Kai look a little like Aang?

Makes sense I suppose. The entire franchise (or at least the finales thereof) could just be called "Deus Ex Machina" afterall...

I want to see more hot headiness from Korra, there are some people in this show I want to see here smack around.

Yep, has been very enjoyable to watch her basically tell the President and the Earth Queen to fuck off. And we're only three episodes into the season :O

 

[MikeDown]

Makes sense I suppose. The entire franchise (or at least the finales thereof) could just be called "Deus Ex Machina" afterall...


Yep, has been very enjoyable to watch her basically tell the President and the Earth Queen to fuck off. And we're only three episodes into the season :O

And that is my biggest problem with the series. It is called the "Legend of Korra", legend being defined by what you do to overcome the obstacles in your path. So far all the obstacles in her path (

Spoiler

having her bending taken/defeating Vatuu

) have happened due to convenient plot magic. So many lost opportunities to explore her character, especially

Spoiler

with loosing her being

.


EDIT: Also the villains so far seem pretty decent. They have character to them, and seem mysterious/interesting with what they are up too. Whole hell of a lot better then Unalaq who was all "mahahah I'm evil". Not believable at all.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Just had another re-watch and holy shit at the soundtrack that plays at the end of episode 2, I really hope they release this track!

The TrackTeam is fucking ace.

 

[KHlover]

And that is my biggest problem with the series. It is called the "Legend of Korra", legend being defined by what you do to overcome the obstacles in your path. So far all the obstacles in her path (

Spoiler

having her bending taken/defeating Vatuu

) have happened due to convenient plot magic. So many lost opportunities to explore her character, especially

Spoiler

with loosing her being

.


EDIT: Also the villains so far seem pretty decent. They have character to them, and seem mysterious/interesting with what they are up too. Whole hell of a lot better then Unalaq who was all "mahahah I'm evil". Not believable at all.

Following ATLA's glowing example in that regard :/
Aang owes that chiropractor rock a beer. And the Lion Turtle. And the Moon&Ocean spirits for conveniantly introducing the mechanic of fusing with a spirit in a time of desperate need, only to never be used again. And the Avatar Cycle for not breaking instantly upon death, instead giving the Avatar the time he needs to be revived (Can we add Spirit Water to the list? I don't think it was explicitly stated before Katara used it that you can heal DEAD people with Spirit Water).

The one glaring flaw in an otherwise pretty flawless series

 

[Verelios]

Airbending villain is everything I wanted Korra to be and more. I think I'm enjoying this season.

Question though: What kind of bender is the second man released? Seems like a firebender...but he could manipulate the chakram...looking thing, so maybe he's an earth bender?

 

[Neoxon]

Airbending villain is everything I wanted Korra to be and more. I think I'm enjoying this season.

Question though: What kind of bender is the second man released? Seems like a firebender...but he could manipulate the chakram...looking thing, so maybe he's an earth bender?

He's an earthbender

 

[Jintor]

I thought he was an earth bender. The fire was just physics.

Could be a magma bender or something, but idk

 

[Talon]

Man, I want to get excited for these episodes, but then I remember that last season basically came down to a Power Rangers episode and it pisses me off.

 

[Dany]

new airbenders ;_; tenzin going to be president :3

 

[Mononoke]

I thought he was an earth bender. The fire was just physics.

Could be a magma bender or something, but idk

Thought this was obvious. We see the guy causing friction with the rocks to heat them up.

 

[Infinite Justice]

I thought he was an earth bender. The fire was just physics.

Could be a magma bender or something, but idk

He is an earthbender.

 

[SourCinnamon]

He is an earthbender.

Yep, I thought the same. He bends the earth so fast that it melts with the friction with air. Or it bends the small molecules rock is made off so they vibrate at a high enough frequency that they virtually melt.

 

[Trey]

I never fully understood the mini-avatar state she would go into. Aang couldn't control it and he was spiritual. Korra is terrible with her spirituality, and was able to have like a half way state. I know this complaint isn't new (people have been saying this for a while). But now it's confusing that she's lost the connection to her past Avatar's. I get that technically she can connect to Raava, but eh? I guess?

Avatar state has always been a questionable plot element, even in AtLA. Best when it was just Aang's emotional explosion.

 

[Blackhead]

I never fully understood the mini-avatar state she would go into. Aang couldn't control it and he was spiritual. Korra is terrible with her spirituality, and was able to have like a half way state. I know this complaint isn't new (people have been saying this for a while). But now it's confusing that she's lost the connection to her past Avatar's. I get that technically she can connect to Raava, but eh? I guess?

Aang couldn't control it as a child but we saw him do so as an adult in the flashback. Korra not connecting with her past lives was explained in the finale last season.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Oh my God, you guys, this was freaking awesome. And this positivity? I think I'm tearing up ;_;

So glad to see that they have improved on so much. I hope they do not screw it up on the second half of the season.

no new episode next week, and from the week following and onward, it will be one episode a week until the finale, which will be an hour.

Hah, as if Nick wouldn't dump the finale on us with another 2 episodes.

 

[Veelk]

Following ATLA's glowing example in that regard :/
Aang owes that chiropractor rock a beer. And the Lion Turtle. And the Moon&Ocean spirits for conveniantly introducing the mechanic of fusing with a spirit in a time of desperate need, only to never be used again. And the Avatar Cycle for not breaking instantly upon death, instead giving the Avatar the time he needs to be revived (Can we add Spirit Water to the list? I don't think it was explicitly stated before Katara used it that you can heal DEAD people with Spirit Water).

The one glaring flaw in an otherwise pretty flawless series

No one denies that Aang had a lot of help, but he contributed a lot to the success of his own journey. The easiest example being Ozai with how he choose to not kill him is the only thing that allowed him to use the energybending technique that the Lion Turtle implanted in him anyway.

It's not to say Korra did absolutely nothing, but what's unsatisfying about her journey is that while Aang had to learn and grow to even get to the point where he could do what he did to Ozai, Korra beat amon with a random, inexplicable kick and the idiotic reactions to Amon's face being revealed. Similarly with Unalaq, she disintergrated him with that spiral water thing she does and says "Go in peace" but that doesn't connect when she hasn't learned or used anything other than violence this entire time. The problem is Korra's lack of character development. Her fighting fails unless the improbable circumstances change for her to win (even when they shouldn't according to established rules of the series), but Korra herself only does what she's done from the beginning of the series.

 

[SchrodingerC]

Ok, finally watched all 3 episodes and this season so far is a great improvement to season 2. Though some characters are getting annoying (aka little shit Kai), at least the main characters are becoming consistent again.

Happy the season is going relatively smooth so far.

 

[Mononoke]

Aang couldn't control it as a child but we saw him do so as an adult in the flashback. Korra not connecting with her past lives was explained in the finale last season.

Yeah, but it was explained in ATLA that the Avatar State was the combined powers of the Avatars past lives. Her losing her connection to her past lives, makes it strange she can go into the Avatar State even if it's like a mini half-way Avatar state. Someone pointed out it could just be her tapping into Raava. I guess?

Thing is, I didn't take it that Aang couldn't control it because he was a kid. At least that wasn't my interpretation of the story. My take on it was that you had to be completely spiritual and open to allow yourself to connect to your past selves in order to control and harness that power (which is the combined power of all past Avatars). Korra being able to be in a little mini-halfway state was always silly, because even when Aang was shut off from his past lives, he could trigger into the Avatar State (him not being able to control it was purely because it was an immense power that he had no control over). So when Aang eventually is able to open himself and connect to all his past lives (as he does when he gets older), he's able to go in and out of it.

I never really understood why Korra could do this when she has NEVER connected to her past lives (in fact in Book 1, she was never eveb able to do it up to that point). I know the Avatar State is kind of wonky (from a mythos perspective). But I never ever understood it with Korra. Whereas with Aang it sort of made sense.

 

[Veelk]

Yeah, but it was explained in ATLA that the Avatar State was the combined powers of the Avatars past lives. Her losing her connection to her past lives, makes it strange she can go into the Avatar State even if it's like a mini half-way Avatar state. Someone pointed out it could just be her tapping into Raava. I guess?

Thing is, I didn't take it that Aang couldn't control it because he was a kid. At least that wasn't my take on it. My on it was that you had to be completely spiritual and open to allow yourself to connect to the Avatar state in order to control it. Korra being able to be in a little mini-halfway state was always silly.

The rules of how the Avatar universe works have explicitly been retconned at this point. The AS is no longer the compounded information and experiences of all the avatars, it's just Rava letting any random human go super saiyan. And Korra seems just as strong in AS powered by Rava alone as she was before the past lives were taken away, I don't know what the past lives added besides moral support. And whereas before the avatar was supposed to have been the incarnated spirit of the planet itself, that's obviously no longer the case. I honestly have no idea how the planet fits in now, which makes a lot of TLA just not make sense anymore.


But to answer your question, in TLA, Aang couldn't control the avatar state because his chakra's were blocked by various pains in his life. His despair, his guilt, his lies, his attachments all prevented him from controlling it. By clearing them, he could activate the avatar state, but Azula jammed the last one with her lightning, which the rock helped unsettle in his fight with Ozai, which I interpreted as the Earth helping it's incarnated spirit win the day (much like how the Earth help give Aang a vision of Toph in The Swamp).

 

[Mononoke]

The rules of how the Avatar universe works have explicitly been retconned at this point. The AS is no longer the compounded information and experiences of all the avatars, it's just Rava letting any random human go super saiyan. And whereas before the avatar was supposed to have been the incarnated spirit of the planet itself, that's obviously no longer the case. I honestly have no idea how the planet fits in now, which makes a lot of TLA just not make sense anymore.

I guess? But it still never really explains Korra being able to go into in the first place. Even if it was Raava and not the past selves combined, it still requires the Avatar to be able to connect to Raava (spiritually) to be able to control the power (since it's an immense power). So even if it was a retcon and it was only Raava (that explains why she can still do it after she lost her connection to her past selves), it still doesn't explain why Korra has always been able to go into these states so easily (given her major flaw in spirituality).

I know it's not supposed to be logical. But even in a retcon, it needs to be somewhat coherent (I know you aren't arguing against this, just ranting in general).

 

[Barzul]

These 3 episodes really helped me warm up to Korra.

 

[Veelk]

I guess? But it still never really explains Korra being able to go into in the first place. Even if it was Raava and not the past selves combined, it still requires the Avatar to be able to connect to Raava (spiritually) to be able to control the power (since it's an immense power). So even if it was a retcon and it was only Raava (that explains why she can still do it after she lost her connection to her past selves), it still doesn't explain why Korra has always been able to go into these states so easily (given her major flaw in spirituality).

I know it's not supposed to be logical. But even in a retcon, it needs to be somewhat coherent (I know you aren't arguing against this, just ranting in general).

I don't know. Korra first activated the avatar state because she was crying about losing the other 3 bending styles, which is supposed to have been hitting bottom and that's somehow spiritual.

That doesn't make much sense either. First off, she was only crying because she thought being the avatar was about being a badass bender of 4 elements and that she couldn't be it without earth, fire and water. It sucks, i get that, but if Aang didn't 'hit bottom' from seeing the bodies of his entire people's genocide, I can't buy Korra's sadness here being that bad. But even if I did, hitting bottom is spiritual in the sense that you give up, and put yourself in the hands of some higher power. Korra didn't do that, or if she did, it's never indicated in any way that she did. Maybe if the writers had thought ahead, and they could have retconned Rava talking to her and putting her in her hands, allowing her to go into AS, but that's not what happened. Another way is that she only activated AS as a defense mechanism because it was a moment of high emotional turmoil, but you can't control the AS through that. Furthermore, she somehow learned Energybending from it, which is a whole other inexplicable issue altogether.


*sigh*

Goddamn, this those first 2 seasons were brutal.

 

[Jintor]

Yeah, it's like, Korra s3 is looking good, but it's starting from like being chest-deep in mud (to be charitable)

 

[Mononoke]

Yeah, it's like, Korra s3 is looking good, but it's starting from like being chest-deep in mud (to be charitable)

At this point, it's better to just view each season as its own separate thing (since that is how the writers have been approaching it lol).

 

[Infinite Justice]

Yeah, it's like, Korra s3 is looking good, but it's starting from like being chest-deep in mud (to be charitable)

now you notice?

its been like this for a while now but everyone is busy sighing of relief that season 3 doesn't seem so bad (even though a bunch of shit has happened already)

 

[Mononoke]

Even the voice actor of Kai has a punchable face.

 

[Jintor]

now you notice?

its been like this for a while now but everyone is busy sighing of relief that season 3 doesn't seem so bad (even though a bunch of shit has happened already)

I was busy all of yesterday so I didn't get a chance to say much

 

[Trey]

These sighs are so relieving, yall

 

[Village]

did nick put them on the website yet?

 

[victreeb3l]

I like how Meelo is a power hungry little kid. I want him to become to emperor of Airbenders and attempt to take over the world much like the Fire Nation.

 

[Kinvara]

did nick put them on the website yet?

lol no.

Nick is weird they have random full episodes from Book 1 and Book 2.

Like they have Beginnings Pt. 2 but not Pt. 1

Logic.

 

[victreeb3l]

I wish Netflix just bought the rights to Avatar. Nick has been treating this property like shit.

 

[Infinite Justice]

I was busy all of yesterday so I didn't get a chance to say much

just checking

These sighs are so relieving, yall

you better hope it stays that way LOL

I like how Meelo is a power hungry little kid. I want him to become to emperor of Airbenders and attempt to take over the world much like the Fire Nation.

"Those maggots will bow to me!"

Greatest threat to all mankind.

lol no.

Nick is weird they have random full episodes from Book 1 and Book 2.

Like they have Beginnings Pt. 2 but not Pt. 1

Logic.

What the fuck is Nick doing?

 

[The Scollard]

Well, this Book, at least from the first three episodes, seems to be much better paced than Book 2, which will be nice. I'm actually enjoying the directions they are going with several of the characters, though I don't necessarily agree with the decision to give Bumi airbending.

It's also nice to FINALLY get out of Republic City. Even Book 2, which was focused more on the South Pole, was still very much centered in Republic City, and also, it's nice to see Ba Sing Se again. Another thing that was nice to see again. ZUKO!!! I loved the awkward scene with him, Desna, Eska, and Tonraq on the elevator. That was hilarious, and it's great to see that, even after all these years, Zuko can still be awkward. I mean, Zuko in that scene was no different from the "Hello, Zuko here" speech from Book 3 of ATLA. I am also enjoying the villains, from what we've seen of them.

All and all, I really liked the first 3 episodes. I hope the quality of the rest of the Book remains high.

 

[Kinvara]

Random speculation about the Earth Queen:

Spoiler

I bet she's actually a really good earth/metal bender.

I wish Netflix just bought the rights to Avatar. Nick has been treating this property like shit.

If Netflix owned the rights to Avatar, Korrasami would be canon already.

 

[Jintor]

If Netflix owned the rights to Avatar, Korrasami would be canon already.

not seeing a downside

 

[Infinite Justice]

not seeing a downside

indeed

 

[Mononoke]

There is a lot of things that could be better if the show wasn't on Nick. Violence/death for one would be a big thing. I don't think = plot development. But it adds weight/stakes and consequences to fighting. Then again, I guess you could argue apart of Avatar's charm is it being more light hearted vs. dark/serious. *shrugs*

But yeah, I sometimes wonder how the Avatar world would have been if it was on another channel (like Adult Swim or something new like Netflix). I'm still betting on Bolin and Korra by the end of Book 4. Asami can't ever be happy, the writers like to make her miserable for whatever reason.

 

[Moaradin]

The show has gotten away with some dark fucking shit for a kids show. Murder/Suicide is pushing it.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Enjoying it a lot so far. Artistically this show just constantly delivers. i was in awe when they showed that shot of mako and bolin entering the low area of Ba Sing Se at evening, jut so beautiful all around.

In terms of plot, the Korra-Asami interactions feel good enough, and the 4 villains look really interesting.

Also, i don't know if it's just me, but the pacing feels a lot better than what we got on S2...

 

[m_shortpants]

There is a lot of things that could be better if the show wasn't on Nick. Violence/death for one would be a big thing. I don't think = plot development. But it adds weight/stakes and consequences to fighting. Then again, I guess you could argue apart of Avatar's charm is it being more light hearted vs. dark/serious. *shrugs*

But yeah, I sometimes wonder how the Avatar world would have been if it was on another channel (like Adult Swim or something new like Netflix). I'm still betting on Bolin and Korra by the end of Book 4. Asami can't ever be happy, the writers like to make her miserable for whatever reason.

Well, even for a Nick show they've had their fair share of violence. Air nomad genocide, jet's death, roku's death, tarrlok/noatak murder and suicide, etc. Hell, a woman with no arms. I guess it would just become more explicit.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

There is a lot of things that could be better if the show wasn't on Nick. Violence/death for one would be a big thing. I don't think = plot development. But it adds weight/stakes and consequences to fighting. Then again, I guess you could argue apart of Avatar's charm is it being more light hearted vs. dark/serious. *shrugs*

But yeah, I sometimes wonder how the Avatar world would have been if it was on another channel (like Adult Swim or something new like Netflix). I'm still betting on Bolin and Korra by the end of Book 4. Asami can't ever be happy, the writers like to make her miserable for whatever reason.

I bet a lot of the people that worked on AtLA worked on it because they were Nick employees though. I think the VA director may be one of those people.