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[Mononoke]

Amon was a conceptual goldmine of a character, but it all fell apart when it was revealed that his motivation was entirely based off fulfilling a revenge fantasy for a father that he hated. It isn't to say that would have made a bad villain motivation, on it's own, but whether an idea works is often dependent on where you place it. The equalist regime was promised to have been a political and social conflict that tested Korra's self-centered notions of how the avatar is suppose to be a superhero that kick's bad guy asses as opposed to a peaceful arbiter for the people to keep balance.

It just tried to alter the entire momentum of the story for no reason. This entire time, Amon was building up this huge regime and taking over the city, but it was all on a false pretense. And while the Avatar had a vested interest in trying to balance the needs of the nonbenders with the benders, what investment did Korra have with Noatak's daddy issues? She didn't even find out about them until the end of the season, but think about this: aside from gaining the information that he's a bender and general human sympathy any normal person would feel, what was she supposed to feel about Tarrlok's story? Noatak's conflict with her had several degrees of seperatation to her. Noatak is really mad at Yakone, so he tries to get back at him by defeating Aang, who is dead instead he goes after Korra.

Amon was compelling because his ideals were in immediate (but very complex and interesting) conflict with Korra's duties. Noatak is just an idiot displacing his rage at his father at the wrong person with Korra being the avatar being entirely irrelevent to the situation. She has no vested interest in Noatak as a person, he's just an insane guy attacking her for no reason. If Noatak had displaced his rage at Tenzin, the entire conflict would have played out in the same basic way. It could have been literally be anyone at all. Korra's value as the avatar had been completely disregarded by the situation, which stopped the equalist conflict's momentum dead in it's tracks. The equalists just no longer mattered, so Korra's capacity as the avatar no longer mattered. Noatak's conflict would have been better served if he was just a random one off villain for an episode, or atleast as the villain of season 2 since atleast by that point, we'd have gotten to care about Korra as a person more.

It's like everytime I think of the last two seasons, I think of new ways to hate them

Yep, well said. They had the perfect villain/concept set up. In fact, Amon's motivations and actions would have made him much better than Ozai (who was just a psychopath that wanted to spread his empire and eventually be the ruler of the world). Amon represented a complex conflict that WOULD arise in a world where those with magic and those without have to coexist. Those with magic would always have the upper hand, and given human nature, class/discrimination and tensions would arise.

Prior to this, everyone was living in their own nation. So benders were more so seen as being a special asset to the tribe/nation. The benders were working for them. But once you get rid of nations and have places like Republic City where everyone has to inter-mix, benders then become their own individuals with their own drive. And at the same time, they also have other benders from other areas to group up with.

One of the reasons that Book 1 was so great early on, was because this premise was very mature and felt like the writers from ATLA were stepping up their game by tackling serious issues of equality (in ATLA, they tackled a lot of subjects, even if sometimes with subtext). This was a more obvious issue, and it was being tackled head on.

Having Amon be some random person that just wanted revenge, was a big fuck you to the entire premise. Especially since the writers decided to completely get rid of the plot once Amon fell. I agree that Amon's story with his father COULD still have been good, but ultimately they didn't have enough time to emotionally flesh his character out.

 

[Hero]

Wow, I'm actually fairly impressed with the first three episodes of the new season. I like the story about trying to rebuild the air nomad civilization and it seems we have some interesting villains from the get go.

 

[Mononoke]

Amon created himself an ideology based on his experiences with his father. That doesn't undermine his ideology at all, it humanizes him. Amon is the best villian to ever grace the Avatar world IMO.

All of the villains in TLA were one dimensional evil doers without reason behind them other than "muahah I am evil let's conquer the world". And alas, let's not even begin with Unalaq.

Humanizes him with like 5 min of exposition crammed into the finale. Thing is, they never spent time with Amon on that level. So I would only agree with you had they approached his character differently. But no, the main focus was the actual equalist movement, and how Republic City had internal issues (that related to this ideology). While it's true Amon created this ideology to suit his own needs, the bulk of his followers already felt this way prior to Amon leading the actual charge.

Because Amon was a shadowy figure (and we never knew much about him), the main focus of the conflict was on the movement and not him. So it doesn't really work to cram his backstory and motivation (especially when it was a personal/family motivation) into the very end and expect us to care about him. It just undermines the movement.

I still think Amon is awesome. But the way they executed his story....

 

[m_shortpants]

Amon created himself an ideology based on his experiences with his father. That doesn't undermine his ideology at all, it humanizes him. Amon is the best villian to ever grace the Avatar world IMO.

All of the villains in TLA were one dimensional evil doers without reason behind them other than "muahah I am evil let's conquer the world". And alas, let's not even begin with Unalaq.

Agreed. I don't think the fact that he was a bender delegitimized his cause. And I don't think he was simply trying to get revenge for his father at all. Tarrlok even says he thinks Amon/Noatak truly believes in his cause. He goes after the avatar simply because the avatar is the pinnacle or ultimate form of bender oppression.

 

[Mononoke]

Agreed. I don't think the fact that he was a bender delegitimized his cause. And I don't think he was simply trying to get revenge for his father at all. Tarrlok even says he thinks Amon/Noatak truly believes in his cause. He goes after the avatar simply because the avatar is the pinnacle or ultimate form of benders.

Maybe so. But I still think the way they handled his arc in the final episode (revealing his motivation in quick exposition), and then immediately having the entire thing come part after he is revealed and defeated totally undermined the entire movement. To be clear, I don't think him having revenge as a motivation undermines the movement (as I think it was bigger than Amon).

BUT I can see your guys point about him still being a cool character. I don't hate Amon or think he was a bad villain. He is still the best villain Avatar has ever had. I just don't like how the writers handled him + his movement (the conclusion). I'm also not opposed to Amon's struggle with his dad. I just wish they would have given us more time with Amon instead of keeping him cloaked in the shadows. I think had we gotten to see his torment more, then the flashback would have added on to that, and would make you care a bit more for him (even if what he's doing is wrong).

 

[Veelk]

Agreed. I don't think the fact that he was a bender delegitimized his cause. And I don't think he was simply trying to get revenge for his father at all. Tarrlok even says he thinks Amon/Noatak truly believes in his cause. He goes after the avatar simply because the avatar is the pinnacle or ultimate form of bender oppression.

Doesn't fly, because the fact is Korra, as much a jerk as she is, hadn't done anything oppressive and in fact had tried to stop oppression when Tarrlok went power mad.

Amon was hunting whoever was weaker than him. He didn't form an idealogy around rejecting his father's experiences, he emulated him, he just used the equalists as a way to get even more power under an organization. This is even emphasized by his last words to Tarrlok in the flashback. When he ordered him to come with him, and Tarrlok wouldn't, he just disdainfully told him he's weak, and left him out in the frozen cold with his abusive father. Tarrlok can think all he wants that amon truly believes his cause, but Noatak's actions clearly show otherwise.

His being a bender has nothing to do with why he's a hypocrite. It's the fact that he's going after an innocent 16 year old girl who has done nothing to harm him or non benders because of how she was born and he's scapegoating her as an oppressor of the weak while he enforces his ways on those weaker than him.

He's just a douche with a revenge agenda. His ideology is as authentic as the story about his burn, and created for the same purpose: to exploit a supposedly abused minority.

 

[Gotchaye]

Maybe so. But I still think the way they handled his arc in the final episode (revealing his motivation in quick exposition), and then immediately having the entire thing come part after he is revealed and defeated totally undermined the entire movement.

Yeah, it's not so much that Amon being a bender makes it impossible for the show to say something about the Equalists' concerns. It's that the show used Amon being a bender as an excuse to not say something about the Equalists' concerns.

Anyway, these first three episodes are the strongest start of any season of Korra yet, and Book 1 actually started out pretty well. We do seem to be back to the bad guys just being bad guys cause they're bad, but at least that's something the show's creators have demonstrated they can do well.

 

[Mononoke]

Yeah, it's not so much that Amon being a bender makes it impossible for the show to say something about the Equalists' concerns. It's that the show used Amon being a bender as an excuse to not say something about the Equalists' concerns.

Anyway, these first three episodes are the strongest start of any season of Korra yet, and Book 1 actually started out pretty well. We do seem to be back to the bad guys just being bad guys cause they're bad, but at least that's something the show's creators have demonstrated they can do well.

Yeah, the season is starting out really great. And agreed, I think they tend to slip up when they try to make things more complex than it needs to be. They are much better at writing simple villains with simple goals. Which is FINE, when the characters are fun to watch. Unalaq was kind of a mix of being just bad to be bad, but they also had a wishy washy backstory that tried to sell us on him having some complex ideology/connection to the spirits that we never got too see.

And just on a surface level, he was a very bland villain. The new villains have awesome designs and are a lot of fun to watch.

 

[Veelk]

Yeah, the season is starting out really great. And agreed, I think they tend to slip up when they try to make things more complex than it needs to be. They are much better at writing simple villains with simple goals. Which is FINE, when the characters are fun to watch. Unalaq was kind of a mix of being just bad to be bad, but they also had a wishy washy backstory that tried to sell us on him having some complex ideology/connection to the spirits that we never got too see.

And just on a surface level, he was a very bland villain. The new villains have awesome designs and are a lot of fun to watch.

Unalaq...goddamn, don't get me started on Unalaq.

You know what, nevermind his forced thing about him exiling his brother, who is Korra's father and somehow the chief of the water tribe, which kind of makes Korra a princess since god knows she wasn't enough of a mary sue, nevermind his incomprehensible, pretentious ramblings on spirituality, his bullshit spiral water thingy powers, his generic, unthreatening design and voice, his generic evil character as a whole....


Unalaq...what the fuck kind of name is that, you tell me. It's sounds so damn stupid. What were they thinking? Unalaq...

 

[Mononoke]

Unalaq...goddamn, don't get me started on Unalaq.

You know what, nevermind his forced thing about him exiling his brother, who is Korra's father and somehow the chief of the water tribe, which kind of makes Korra a princess since god knows she wasn't enough of a mary sue, nevermind his incomprehensible, pretentious ramblings on spirituality, his bullshit spiral water thingy powers, his generic, unthreatening design and voice, his generic evil character as a whole....


Unalaq...what the fuck kind of name is that, you tell me. It's sounds so damn stupid. What were they thinking? Unalaq...

He was just a really poor villain. I mean when you think about it, the guy was always evil..and we never knew why. The basic excuse was: "he had a deep connection to the spirits, and thought the portals being shut was a bad idea"...well okay. I mean that logically outlines why he's doing what he's doing.

But we never got to see WHY he had a deep connection to the spirits. WHAT made him hate humanity so much. What brought him to the point he was willing to betray his brother and try to throw the world into chaos.

Basically, you could logically piece it together and say this is why Unalaq did the things he did. But he was such a shallow character. And thing is, there is A LOT they could have done with him. The premise itself isn't that bad. And if they would have shown us his deep connection the spirits, and how he saw the world becoming worse and worse, then we could have understood why he was doing these things (even if misguided). And again, like I said with Amon, we could have even felt sympathetic towards his cause.

Even at a surface level though, he wasn't that fun to watch.

 

[Veelk]

Here's how I rank the antagonists of the Avatar universe:

1. Azula
2. Zuko
3. Hama
4. Ozai
5. Jet
6. Wan Shi Tong and The Facestealer
7. Long Feng
8. Combusion Man
9. Verrick
10. Zhao
11. Those two wrestling dudes that hunted Toph
12. Tahno
13. Hiroshi
14. Amon
15. The dozens of random, episodic villains of TLA that didn't make much of an impression
16. The stupid waterbending twin cousins
17. Unalaq

I don't think I'm forgetting someone. Amon is so low on the list because I don't go by how much potential a villain had to be good, just how good they were, and, in the end, Amon is Not Very. I didn't include Mai and Ty Lee, but you could consider them part of Azula's team.

 

[Trey]

No matter how disgraceful Amon's fall from villain godhood was, I can't put 70 percent of that list over Amon.

Combustion Man didn't even have a character. Amon was more menacing than CM's entire body of work in one episode alone.

 

[Loomba]

I think they done a massive disservice to Amon, if they had a 3 season arc with the anti bender premise Korra could have been great. The whole self confined season arcs don't work well at all imo. Remember the episode when Amon walked through the bloodbending? I remember getting goosebumps and saying "holy fucking SHIT" out loud. Now imagine he was doing that through sheer willpower and conviction in belief that his cause was just? Man that would have been unreal, they could have had a whole array of storylines like Amon turning people and mad civil unrest or anything. Instead they shit on him and throw him away. Korra could have been great, and i just realised how salty I am over it haha.

 

[Mononoke]

No matter how disgraceful Amon's fall from villain godhood was, I can't put 70 percent of that list over Amon.

Combustion Man didn't even have a character. Amon was more menacing than him in one episode alone.

Yeah I agree. But I also think that good villains don't always have to have depth. They can be great if they are well designed and awesome to watch. But I think Amon was that + he kind of had depth (well sort of, they screwed it up). But I would say his presence demanded your attention.

He was a really well designed character IMO.

 

[Veelk]

No matter how disgraceful Amon's fall from villain godhood was, I can't put 70 percent of that list over Amon.

Combustion Man didn't even have a character. Amon was more menacing than CM's entire body of work in one episode alone.

All the villains that I put over him didn't stumble and fall from their perspective arcs. Really, the only thing that puts amon even in the running is his awesome design and steve blum's voice at this point. Hiroshi and Tahno had more competent arcs than he did, even if they weren't anywhere near as threatening.

And I don't know if your the person I argued over Combustion man with way back when, but Sparky Sparky Boom Man's lack of character was his menace. He was not a person, but a force that seemed all but unstoppable. If they hadn't found out his weak spot, the Gaang would have been screwed. CM was awesome.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Not sure about the rankings but I do agree Unalaq was terrible

 

[Infinite Justice]

Here's how I rank the antagonists of the Avatar universe:

1. Azula
2. Zuko
3. Hama
4. Ozai
5. Jet
6. Wan Shi Tong and The Facestealer
7. Long Feng
8. Combusion Man
9. Verrick
10. Zhao
11. Those two wrestling dudes that hunted Toph
12. Tahno
13. Hiroshi
14. Amon
15. The dozens of random, episodic villains of TLA that didn't make much of an impression
16. The stupid waterbending twin cousins
17. Unalaq

I don't think I'm forgetting someone. Amon is so low on the list because I don't go by how much potential a villain had to be good, just how good they were, and, in the end, Amon is Not Very. I didn't include Mai and Ty Lee, but you could consider them part of Azula's team.

ouch @ that Amon placing

dude stumbled but shiiiiiitttttt

 

[Veelk]

ouch @ that Amon placing

dude stumbled but shiiiiiitttttt

To be honest, I don't like making lists in general. I did it because I was bored, but usually you can't put things in any kind of order and still have them mean as much as an analysis would, but even I get carpel tunnel occasionally.

But really, "stumbled" is putting it lightly for what they did to Amon. They reversed and failed on delivering everything that was promised with the character. There is no sphere of narrative in which Amon did not fail, except visual design and voice.

He earned that spot.

 

[m_shortpants]

Yep, well said. They had the perfect villain/concept set up. In fact, Amon's motivations and actions would have made him much better than Ozai (who was just a psychopath that wanted to spread his empire and eventually be the ruler of the world). Amon represented a complex conflict that WOULD arise in a world where those with magic and those without have to coexist. Those with magic would always have the upper hand, and given human nature, class/discrimination and tensions would arise.

Prior to this, everyone was living in their own nation. So benders were more so seen as being a special asset to the tribe/nation. The benders were working for them. But once you get rid of nations and have places like Republic City where everyone has to inter-mix, benders then become their own individuals with their own drive. And at the same time, they also have other benders from other areas to group up with.

One of the reasons that Book 1 was so great early on, was because this premise was very mature and felt like the writers from ATLA were stepping up their game by tackling serious issues of equality (in ATLA, they tackled a lot of subjects, even if sometimes with subtext). This was a more obvious issue, and it was being tackled head on.

Having Amon be some random person that just wanted revenge, was a big fuck you to the entire premise. Especially since the writers decided to completely get rid of the plot once Amon fell. I agree that Amon's story with his father COULD still have been good, but ultimately they didn't have enough time to emotionally flesh his character out.

I just don't think he hunted Korra or started his movement to get revenge on the Avatar for his father. Pretty sure at some point between leaving the southern water tribe and appearing in season 1, he adopts the belief that benders oppress non benders and he figures out a way to change that. His end goal wasn't to kill Korra, it was to remove benders from the world. Hence the "I am the solution."

I do agree it had the potential to be handled far better, however I just don't think it was as big of a colossal fuck up as some of you guys do.

 

[ED Cantu]

So who wants to bet that this Guru Lahima that Zaheer keeps mentioning was the first airbender who discovered a secondary/higher form of airbending (the equivalent of lightning, bloodbending and metalbending)? And of course Zaheer will now re-discover this power at some point.

 

[Mononoke]

I just don't think he hunted Korra or started his movement to get revenge on the Avatar for his father. Pretty sure at some point between leaving the southern water tribe and appearing in season 1, he adopts the belief that benders oppress non benders and he figures out a way to change that. His end goal wasn't to kill Korra, it was to remove benders from the world. Hence the "I am the solution."

I do agree it had the potential to be handled far better, however I just don't think it was as big of a colossal fuck up as some of you guys do.

I don't think the equalist movement was just about Amon. It was bigger than him. But the writers ultimately decided to make it ALL about Amon (since when he fell, the entire movement went away). So I don't think Amon needed to be someone we knew or someone special in order for the movement to be legitimized.

Amon having revenge be his motivation also wouldn't undermine it, because the movement was bigger than him. However, when the writers decided to bank it all on him, then suddenly his motivations and who he was DID matter. And I don't feel like they did a proper job making us care about him on that level to shift it to a more personal/motivation. So that's what I meant by my comment about "some random guy". Because I do kind of feel like in the end, the entire movement was kind of side swept and put entirely on this person we knew nothing about and his own personal issues.

I would have been totally okay with Amon having a backstory that was emotional and a motivation that was more personal. In fact, I actually think the backstory we got was awesome! On paper, I didn't mind it. The entire finale was just super sloppy to me though. So I guess I'm more so complaining about execution rather than character.

 

[Satch]

edit: @cantu i honestly wouldnt doubt it, considering the others know a secondary form of their element (if you could count what Ming-Hua does as a higher form, i guess)

 

[m_shortpants]

I don't think the equalist movement was just about Amon. It was bigger than him. But the writers ultimately decided to make it ALL about Amon (since when he fell, the entire movement went away). So I don't think Amon needed to be someone we knew or someone special in order for the movement to be legitimized.

Amon having revenge be his motivation also wouldn't undermine it, because the movement was bigger than him. However, when the writers decided to bank it all on him, then suddenly his motivations and who he was DID matter. And I don't feel like they did a proper job making us care about him on that level to shift it to a more personal/motivation.

Them cramming this in to a 5 min of exposition was poor.

Ah, I see what you mean with regards to the movement just fizzling out.

 

[Veelk]

I just don't think he hunted Korra or started his movement to get revenge on the Avatar for his father. Pretty sure at some point between leaving the southern water tribe and appearing in season 1, he adopts the belief that benders oppress non benders and he figures out a way to change that. His end goal wasn't to kill Korra, it was to remove benders from the world. Hence the "I am the solution."

I do agree it had the potential to be handled far better, however I just don't think it was as big of a colossal fuck up as some of you guys do.

It wouldn't be, if what you describe actually happened.

If this was about him fighting a righteous cause instead of gathering a power base, he wouldn't have abandoned the cause when he saw that his position of power had become unstable. If he cared about the strong not oppressing the weak, he wouldn't have left his brother abandoned in the snow with his abusive father for not having the 'strength' to join him. If this was about the nonbenders getting equal treatment, he wouldn't have attacked the avatar, especially when he heard about her protecting nonbenders from Tarrlok's oppression.

In the end, there is nothing indicating that Amon believed in the equalist cause for any other reason than the obvious: He wanted to prove he was the strongest by defeating the strongest being the world, the Avatar. Because the strongest deserve to rule, like his father said, and it's a belief he embraced when he left his weak brother stranded.

 

[Kinvara]

So who wants to bet that this Guru Lahima that Zaheer keeps mentioning was the first airbender who discovered a secondary/higher form of airbending (the equivalent of lightning, bloodbending and metalbending)? And of course Zaheer will now re-discover this power at some point.

I think that scene was to show that Zaheer is already familiar with Air Nomad culture which is why he was already so good at airbending.

But I do agree with you that Zaheer might utilize air bending in a more aggressive nature unlike the peaceful Air Nomads of the past.

He could certainly be the one to find a different form of airbending (sound?). idk.

It's weird that Air is the only element that doesn't have an advanced form.

Reminds me of this that a fan made:

 

[Mononoke]

I think that scene was to show that Zaheer is already familiar with Air Nomad culture which is why he was already so good at airbending.

But I do agree with you that Zaheer might utilize air bending in a more aggressive nature unlike the peaceful Air Nomads of the past.

He could certainly be the one to find a different form of airbending (sound?). idk.

It's weird that Air is the only element that doesn't have an advanced form.

Reminds me of this that a fan made:

inb4 he figures out how to suck oxygen out of fire bending and also can choke people out by bending the air they breathe.

 

[Veelk]

Soundbending has already been invented, funny enough.

Ikki used it in the premier episode when Bumi needed to tell Tenzin about his airbending.

It's very low key and unremarked on, but she did enhance her shout with airbending.

 

[And_Gignac]

Maybe Oxygen bending? Like " I am going to make your lungs explode" or something. Not like Nick would air something like that, though lol.

I can't wait for HBO's adaptation of the series once Game of Thrones is over.

 

[Infinite Justice]

To be honest, I don't like making lists in general. I did it because I was bored, but usually you can't put things in any kind of order and still have them mean as much as an analysis would, but even I get carpel tunnel occasionally.

But really, "stumbled" is putting it lightly for what they did to Amon. They reversed and failed on delivering everything that was promised with the character. There is no sphere of narrative in which Amon did not fail, except visual design and voice.

He earned that spot.

below those guys who hunted toph? seriously.

tbf its more like he stumbled into a hole never to return but he was doing so fucking well until that point.

I think his fighting ability was cool as well.

sigh

such potential fucking wasted.

So who wants to bet that this Guru Lahima that Zaheer keeps mentioning was the first airbender who discovered a secondary/higher form of airbending (the equivalent of lightning, bloodbending and metalbending)? And of course Zaheer will now re-discover this power at some point.

its said that the Guru figured a way to never touch the ground ever again so i could see that being a technique of sorts

 

[ED Cantu]

edit: @cantu i honestly wouldnt doubt it, considering the others know a secondary form of their element (if you could count what Ming-Hua does as a higher form, i guess)

Yeah, what Ming-Hua does would be a higher form of waterbending I guess, but aside from that, the whole story about Lahima points toward a secret technic or a new type of airbending with him finding the secret to weightlessness and all that.

I wonder what could it be? maybe it has something to do with levitation or making voids, I remember that Sifu Kisu mentioned that they came up with something for the secondary airbending power so I really hope that they will finally show it.

 

[Veelk]

below those guys who hunted toph? seriously.

tbf its more like he stumbled into a hole never to return but he was doing so fucking well until that point.

I think his fighting ability was cool as well.

sigh

such potential fucking wasted.

Stumbling into a hole and never returning would be more apt if he just got some kind of sickness randomly that made him start sucking.By having his motivations and abilities to be revealed as what they were, it retroactively nullifies anything he had going on for himself up until that point.

I totally agree that all the build up in the equalist conflict was well done in the first 10 episodes, but when it's revealed that it's all fake, the build up is invalidated. Like Azula said, they bet it all on Amon. It might have been different if the equalist cause continued, but apparently all the equalists are just tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists, so it's all ruined, down to it's very foundation.

 

[MarkusRJR]

When are they adding the episodes to download services (iTunes, Xbox Video, etc)? I wanna buy the season pass on Xbox Video but it still isn't up.

 

[Kinvara]

inb4 he figures out how to suck oxygen out of fire bending and also can choke people out by bending the air they breathe.

Weirder stuff has happened.

 

[Flandy]

Yeah, I'm only watching the 4th episode. It would really suck waiting a month for a new episode haha.

The Spanish dub is pretty good though, imo.

Yeah that's part of the reason too. Don't want to wait a month for a new episode after I watch the leaked ones

Really? Every Spanish dub I've ever watched sounds like they use the same group of like 8 people so most Spanish dubs sound the same to me

Episode 4 & 5 of Legend of Korra will premiere on July 11th in a one hour special.

https://twitter.com/NickelodeonTV/status/483314663254654976

I just hope we don't till the 25th for new episodes after that airs ;__;
Am hype though

 

[Kinvara]

When are they adding the episodes to download services (iTunes, Xbox Video, etc)? I wanna buy the season pass on Xbox Video but it still isn't up.

They haven't even uploaded them to their own site.

It's a mess.

 

[Mariolee]

Episode 4 & 5 of Legend of Korra will premiere on July 11th in a one hour special.

https://twitter.com/NickelodeonTV/status/483314663254654976

"As of now"?

Jeez, I've never seen a schedule more messed up than Nick's.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Is episode four out for spanish speaking countries

 

[onionfrog]

Is episode four out for spanish speaking countries

Not officially,Episodes 3-6 leaked in spanish when Nickelodeon Mexico accidentally uploaded episodes from season 3 instead of season 2 on their website.

Also there are english fansubs out for those episodes if you don't know spanish.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Nick still holding that L haha.

i guess the bright side will be more content to talk about

Stumbling into a hole and never returning would be more apt if he just got some kind of sickness randomly that made him start sucking.By having his motivations and abilities to be revealed as what they were, it retroactively nullifies anything he had going on for himself up until that point.

I totally agree that all the build up in the equalist conflict was well done in the first 10 episodes, but when it's revealed that it's all fake, the build up is invalidated. Like Azula said, they bet it all on Amon. It might have been different if the equalist cause continued, but apparently all the equalists are just tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists, so it's all ruined, down to it's very foundation.

sigh.

wasn't a fan of how it crumbled (especially with the number 2 still being into it) but Amon was the center with his abilities and he was ruined their strength went down with it. Dude had all the fucking cards at that point...gaahhh

the bold made me a bit down on season 2 before the true train-wreck happened. lol

 

[m_shortpants]

Just one thing I thought about. Ming-Hua (is that her name?) seemingly throws White Lotus guards into magma...did they just sneak killing past Nick?

 

[Kinvara]

Just one thing I thought about. Ming-Hua (is that her name?) seemingly throws White Lotus guards into magma...did they just sneak killing past Nick?

Probably. It's an off-screen Disney death so they probably didn't care.

 

[zeemumu]

Just one thing I thought about. Ming-Hua (is that her name?) seemingly throws White Lotus guards into magma...did they just sneak killing past Nick?

You'll have to ask Admiral Zhao about that.

 

[Mononoke]

Just one thing I thought about. Ming-Hua (is that her name?) seemingly throws White Lotus guards into magma...did they just sneak killing past Nick?

A lot of people died in ATLA off screen. Just imagine all the people that got demolished in the Book 1 finale by Aang in the water spirit form. OR AT LEAST, logically people should have died with the kind of impact they had on them.

 

[m_shortpants]

Probably. It's an off-screen Disney death so they probably didn't care.

I mean, there have been deaths of high profile characters like Zhao, Noatak/Tarrlok, etc, but even in Korra Season 1 when Iroh Jr throws equalist pilots out of their planes they always made sure to show the parachute ejecting. But I guess as Ming-Hua and the fantastic four qualify as villians they can do that.

 

[Flandy]

A lot of people died in ATLA off screen. Just imagine all the people that got demolished in the Book 1 finale by Aang in the water spirit form. OR AT LEAST, logically people should have died with the kind of impact they had on them.

:lol
Aang: "I KILLED DOZENS OF SOLDIERS AT THE NORTH POLE, BUT OZAI IS TOO MUCH"

 

[Infinite Justice]

:lol
Aang: "I KILLED DOZENS OF SOLDIERS AT THE NORTH POLE, BUT OZAI IS TOO MUCH"

tbf the ocean spirit took him over and it was pissed but i see how that can look

 

[Flandy]

tbf the ocean spirit took him over and it was pissed but i see how that can look

I'm sure Nick would just say they became POWs if asked :lol

 

[Veelk]

:lol
Aang: "I KILLED DOZENS OF SOLDIERS AT THE NORTH POLE, BUT OZAI IS TOO MUCH"

Aang wasn't concious when he was controlled by the moon spirit.

The only time he might have killed someone is when he cut one of the fire nation blimps, but I think that was just a goof on the writers part, who assumed a flying blimp is easy to escape, or maybe Aang just assumed that and doesn't know he took the lives of those people.

Either way, Aang's pacifism is pretty consistent.

 

[zeemumu]

Aang wasn't concious when he was controlled by the moon spirit.

The only time he might have killed someone is when he cut one of the fire nation blimps, but I think that was just a goof on the writers part, who assumed a flying blimp is easy to escape, or maybe Aang just assumed that and doesn't know he took the lives of those people.

Either way, Aang's pacifism is pretty consistent.

I think it's more about him actively resisting his past lives' desire to kill Ozai, but with the ocean spirit was just like "...eh..."

 

[Veelk]

I think it's more about him actively resisting his past lives' desire to kill Ozai, but with the ocean spirit was just like "...eh..."

The reason he was resisting his old lives is because he is a pacifist. It would be a major break of character for him to be aware that he is murdering hundreds of people and not caring. I don't even mean in terms of him being a pacifist either, regular people, especially children, do not react to the deaths of hundreds of people with indifference.

Edit: Yeah, I checked. He didn't even willingly go into the possessive state. The moon spirit was killed, and then the other half just got super pissed and took possession of the most spiritually succeptible person in the room: Aang. It was not his voice that was speaking when he went into Koizilla state. When he was released, he was just "Wtf happened"