Luis Suarez the football vampire has bitten another player [Update: BANNED]

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kamorra said:
Talking about condescending. It is actually pretty smart. It's also the reason people don't get banned for it in the World Cup thread. It's part of the game.


uhh, that's the best Uruguay has done in a long time?
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I didn't mean to be condescending. My point is that not everyone in the World Cup thread is used to Football GAF and it's understandable that they would take "<country> sucks" the wrong way. It's ambiguous phrasing that's pretty easy to avoid.

As for the latter, that was a manner of speech. Seeing a politician tell FIFA to suck it after what's happened in my country over the last 4 years is refreshing, that's all.
 
Ramon3MR said:
Suarez just offered a public apology

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I think Suarez ate your link.
 
LOL, in neither of those "apologies" does he say he bit him. He needs to fire whoever he's using for PR too.

Edit: Ah, he does mention "bite" in that first one. I guess that second one is the statement to FIFA, okay makes sense.

Now, I await Lugano's apology. ;)
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MuzzledBasher said:
Lets be honest, if Suarez had never came to England he wouldn't be getting punished this harshly even if it is his third time biting someone. Dude should have gone to Spain or Italy like most other South American players, he wasn't capable of adapting culturally to Western European sporting standards.

Once he goes to Spain, I don't expect to hear a peep of controversy arising from his actions.
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I'm not really sure what difference that makes to be honest. His other biting offences happened in England and didn't get punished so harshly by the FA. This of course was a ruling by FIFA in any case.

The punishment seems harsh, but I reckon it has more to do with it happening at the World Cup than anything else. It is such a huge world event with so much publicity surrounding it. They wanted to make a clear message that this type of thing was not tolerated in the game. There are so many eyes on the event that they felt they had to make a strict judgement.
 
leadbelly said:
I'm not really sure what difference that makes to be honest. His other biting offences happened in England and didn't get punished so harshly by the FA. This of course was a ruling by FIFA in any case.

The punishment seems harsh, but I reckon it has more to do with it happening at the World Cup than anything else. It is such a huge world event with so much publicity surrounding it. They wanted to make a clear message that this type of thing was not tolerated in the game. There are many eyes on the event that they felt they had to make a strict judgement.
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It's also, you know, the third time he bit another human being while playing the game.
 
Uzzy said:
Clearly a photoshopped apology. Suarez just fell on top of the keyboard and accidentally typed out the words with his fingers as he tried to lift himself from it.
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Nowhere in this does Suarez admit to biting him. Nowhere in this does he actually apologize for anything specific.
 
plagiarize said:
Nowhere in this does Suarez admit to biting him. Nowhere in this does he actually apologize for anything specific.
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Yeah, I noticed that. He's still trying to maintain the idea that he just fell onto Chiellini which caused the 'physical result of a bite'.
 
Jburton said:
Required for his move to Barca, the only reason we are seeing this.
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We are seeing this because Uruguay is out of the World Cup, so there's no reason to bitch and moan (and lie) anymore. Time to clear out his public image.
 
Metra said:
"Catalyst" is a new word in your discourse, and I don't think that anybody would argue against ignorance's role in racism's genesis. However, in your previous posts, you suggested that Suárez's poor/uneducated background should mitigate his punishment. As I have stated before, this reasoning is utterly flawed, mainly because ignorance does not justify racism, in the same way that it doesn't justify murder, for instance (despite ignorance/poverty being a possible "catalyst" for murder).
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With work deadlines and all (FML) I don't have the time to fully get into this in depth (maybe at the weekend I will address fully your post), but there's a massive differential between an act with a permanent impact (the murder of a person) Versus that of verbal abuse on a football field where in albeit at the time gross offence may have been caused, there is not necessarily any lasting impact for the offended party. The idea that an individual should lose their entire livelihood as a result of one personal mis-step (whatever the motivators) is immensely disproportionate considering the lasting impact of the crime. Even murderers get parole.

This argument would make sense for Suárez's biting problem (if he had bitten people only once), but not for racism. This "first offence" logic does not apply here. You're racist or you're not. And if you are, you should be banned (from the sport) to set an example and to show to society that racism is not tolerated in any way or form.
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So you've never re-evaluated your world views as a result of life experiences? You simply believe that people cannot change ever?
 
Very commendable of Chiellini, forgiveness is a powerful thing. I still loath Suarez for his long career of blighting the game, however.
 
Kadayi said:
With work deadlines and all (FML) I don't have the time to fully get into this in depth (maybe at the weekend I will address fully your post), but there's a massive differential between an act with a permanent impact (the murder of a person) Versus that of verbal abuse on a football field where in albeit at the time gross offence may have been caused, there is not necessarily any lasting impact for the offended party.
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There are 3 points to address in this quote:
1) I made an analogy with murder, not a simple comparison. And the objective of such analogy was to refute your argument that a poor/uneducated background could justify a lenient punishment to a racist football player because ignorance and poverty were, as you said, "catalysts" for his racism. Murder and the situation at hand (Suárez's case) are obviously massively different situations - that any reasonable person can imply - but they hold premises in common. So, my argument that ignorance does not justify racism still stands;

2) Suárez was found guilty of racial abuse because: a) he physically assaulted a person because that person is black, and; b) "he doesn't talk to 'negros'" (his own words). I don't know about you, but I'd call that blatant racism. If you think that's just some kind of "verbal abuse on a football field", I don't know what I can tell you.

3) Are you sure that racism does not cause "lasting impact for the offended party"?
Kadayi said:
The idea that an individual should lose their entire livelihood as a result of one personal mis-step (whatever the motivators) is immensely disproportionate considering the lasting impact of the crime. Even murderers get parole.
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This argument is wrong. By no means Suárez would "lose his entire livelihood" by being banned from football. He would still be fully capable to work and have a job (just not as a football player). If I suggested that Suárez should have his spine shattered, then your argument would make sense. But that's not the case. Also, I wouldn't consider racism a "personal mis-step". Racism is a little more problematic than that, right?

Kadayi said:
So you've never re-evaluated your world views as a result of life experiences? You simply believe that people cannot change ever?
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Whether I believe people can or cannot change is irrelevant to this debate. I stated that "you are racist or you're not" to refute your "first offence" argument. As I (and others) have said before, this "first offence" argument is pitiful because any kind of "punishment" that Suárez may receive (like fines, and temporary or permanent ban) won't "heal" his racism. Banning Suárez is a way to protect society from racism, not a way to help/educate/recover/heal him.
 
Wow, what a crappy 'apology'.

"I'm very sorry for losing my balance and falling teeth first into the back of Chiellini, resulting in what looks like I bit him but really I didn't, you all just think I did even though the video evidence says otherwise. Yeah, sorry guys."

Fuck off Suarez, you lying prick.
 
Metra said:
(1) Whether I believe people can or cannot change is irrelevant to this debate. I stated that "you are racist or you're not" to refute your "first offence" argument. As I (and others) have said before, this "first offence" argument is pitiful because 2)any kind of "punishment" that Suárez may receive (like fines, and temporary or permanent ban) won't "heal" his racism. (3)Banning Suárez is a way to protect society from racism, not a way to help/educate/recover/heal him.
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Again short reply as deadlines.

(1) Nope, it's entirely relevant. It's a question that demands a straight answer. So I'll repeat: -

So you've never re-evaluated your world views as a result of life experiences? You simply believe that people cannot change ever?

(2) And on what basis have you arrived at this conclusion?

(3) Where are you drawing this idea from about the purpose of punishments? How is banning a player for life 'protecting society' exactly?
 
Kadayi said:
Again short reply as deadlines.

(1) Nope, it's entirely relevant. It's a question that demands a straight answer. So I'll repeat: -

So you've never re-evaluated your world views as a result of life experiences? You simply believe that people cannot change ever?

(2) And on what basis have you arrived at this conclusion?

(3) Where are you drawing this idea from about the purpose of punishments? How is banning a player for life 'protecting society' exactly?
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I refuted all your previous arguments, and it seems you don't have any other arguments remaining. The fact that you're simply ignoring everything that I've said proves it. And now, you're trying to set a "rhetorical trap", via a fallacy. Your question seems logical, but is irrelevant to the context of the debate (ignoratio elenchi); and you'll use my answer to build a pseudo-argument in your favor. I could play along with you but, honestly, I think it's pointless.

The game is over and the cards are on the table. People are free to reach their own conclusions.
 
Metra said:
I refuted all your previous arguments, and it seems you don't have any other arguments remaining. The fact that you're simply ignoring everything that I've said proves it. And now, you're trying to set a "rhetorical trap", via a fallacy. Your question seems logical, but is irrelevant to the context of the debate (ignoratio elenchi); and you'll use my answer to build a pseudo-argument in your favor. I could play along with you but, honestly, I think it's pointless.

The game is over and the cards are on the table. People are free to reach their own conclusions.
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You didn't refute a thing. You refused to answer a straightforward question, because plain truth of the matter is peoples beliefs can and often do change over time as a result life lessons, education, exposure to new circumstances etc, etc. This whole 'you're a racist or you not' life sentence is a such a ridiculous suggestion that no one with a modicum of common sense and some exposure to the broader world would countenance such a thing. It's a not a rhetorical trap, It's a highlighting a massive degree of disconnect between what's being said and reality.
 
Well this is looking like some absolute fucking BS right now with Suarez apparently getting a reduced ban.

Exclusive from Agência News that FIFA will reduce Luis Suárez' ban. Their information is that the reduced ban is for 5 matches and 1 month.
Agência News say FIFA will in the coming days announce that Suárez' 9 game + 4 month ban is reduced. Sepp Blatter will chair the meeting.
Agência say CONMEBOL President Eugenio Figueredo and FIFA reached an agreement to reduce Suárez ban from 9 games/4 months to 5 games/1 month
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Jonesy7707 said:
You mean FIFA now showing they do actually have no balls? It was a half-assed ban in the first place.

This is no doubt due to his imminent signing with Barca!!
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it was a nibble that was blown out of proportion. just banning him from the world cup would have been enough.
 
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