richardhawk
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Gay sex isn't for me but I have no problem with it. I lived in West Hollywood for a while and I had to get used to some super graphic public displays of affection now and then.
Does finding the act of gay sex repulsive, make you prejudiced?
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Well i guess I'm an idiot.
Edit: seriously I apologize for not better reading the thread and contributing appropriately.
speculawyer
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Why do you even think about it?
TwEE-N-Toast
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You're parents had sex, is it wrong that you probably don't want to see them go at it?
manfestival
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why would you even say that? I am even appalled by the thought of old people having sex. So gross, is that ageist of me?
AlimNassor
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No, but, I find it weird you would. I find it awkward to be around naked guys, mostly because I feel inferior.
Are you implying same sex relations are a fetish?
Are you implying same sex relations are a fetish?
Red Chocobo
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I find gay sex repulsive (And anal sex in general). But I have no problem with other people liking it.
There is nothing homophobic about that.
There is nothing homophobic about that.
Substitute Rosie O'Donell with Rosseane Barr, and millions of Americans imagined Johnn Goodman having sex for years with no problem.
I take a dim view of people using the word prejudice, that has a commonly accepted connotation of dislike/disdain/negative judgment in addition to bias against, and believing that nothing is meant beyond declaring a bias.
If it's just something that doesn't appeal to you, then you would not have an intense negative emotional reaction towards it. Your reaction would be neutral (I don't care) or positive (good for them). If you're actually disgusted then of course there is some prejudice at work. That doesn't necessarily make you a "bad person" though, it could just be a lack of exposure / the effect of something you considered an abstract idea and haven't actually fully contextualized being presented to you. You have a long lifetime of cultural norms in place telling you one thing is disgusting, or another thing is "right;" this is hard for everyone to deal with, and our emotional reactions are always not in step with our ideals.
An example would be considering the act of overweight people having sex repulsive: you have a prejudice towards overweight people (you find them physically repulsive), so you find the act repulsive. You don't necessarily discriminate against the overweight, but you do have a negative emotional disposition towards them, and this is revealed in your reaction to the idea or depiction of them having sex. This is different than just not being attracted to something, where it just doesn't do anything for you in terms of arousal or interest.
An example would be considering the act of overweight people having sex repulsive: you have a prejudice towards overweight people (you find them physically repulsive), so you find the act repulsive. You don't necessarily discriminate against the overweight, but you do have a negative emotional disposition towards them, and this is revealed in your reaction to the idea or depiction of them having sex. This is different than just not being attracted to something, where it just doesn't do anything for you in terms of arousal or interest.
MarkMclovin
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True again. Same as someone finding 2 men kissing a bit gross, is nowhere near finding it revolting on any scale, nor does it mean that said person is also prejudicing, judging or hating them too.
Omegasquash
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Eh, it's just not my style is all. You can take to something or not take to something without being repulsed by it. Whole milk, for example. Not my thing, but my kids like it so I keep it stocked.
Is that a bad analogy? I don't know.
Is that a bad analogy? I don't know.
Kind of gross? Nah man, for me, that shit is gross. But the same way vegetarians find eating meat gross, it doesn't make you prejudiced. You don't even have to approve of something to not be ignorant and/or spread hate.
If someone asked me to watch two men, I'd make the same face as if someone were trying to serve me human shit. But if I heard that the guys next door to me in my flat were gay and they had sex there (and I couldn't hear it) I wouldn't care at all.
Uh, to make sure I don't sound like a cunt here, I have hung out with homosexuals when they were talking about love among other things, and to me it doesn't matter if they're talking about being with the same sex. If a girl is talking about her time with a girl, it's the same as if a guy is talking about their time with a girl and so on, and I don't get grossed out.
I just don't want to be personally involved with other dudes.
HappyBivouac
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I'm a heterosexual male and the thought of having anal sex with a woman sounds gross to me. Not because I think it's "wrong" or something but simply that I don't see the appeal.
I don't really have a reaction to gay sex or affection. Granted I don't go out of my way to look at it but when I do come across it it's just two buff sometimes hairy dudes getting it in the ass and or kissing. I find these answers from people saying it's gross interesting. And to those saying they're prejudiced, why? It seems like natural responses to me.
Also I don't know about this conditioning. When I was younger there was always disdain and disgust toward gay stuff. My parents never really commented on it, other than saying they'd support me however I turned out. Ymmv I guess.
Blowjobs, p2p. Whatever man.
Also I don't know about this conditioning. When I was younger there was always disdain and disgust toward gay stuff. My parents never really commented on it, other than saying they'd support me however I turned out. Ymmv I guess.
ab.aeterno
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Well, OK. I can't change how someone else argues. If you think they're using the word inappropriately or want clarification then that's a discussion worth having with them. I don't think I've used it as such, but if I have, let me know and I'll substitute a different word.
But there's poop down there!
……forgetit
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Ehh, depends, keep in mind though there are people who just find sex repulsive in general if it's not them participating.
Also for the record it doesn't bother me.
Also for the record it doesn't bother me.
Yes, yes, we all know about docking.
HappyBivouac
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The point is that feeling grossed out by a particular sex act doesn't mean you hold any prejudice towards people who perform said sex act.
I think most people who are grossed out by gay sex are probably interested in anal. It's the "two hairy dudes" thing that disturbs them, as they've been conditioned to see sex as something between a man and a woman who probably has no body hair.
I think that everybody has a natural reaction to what they find unattractive (I think gay sex is gross, but I also think straight fat people banging is gross, as well as most object fetishes, etc). But as mentioned, I don't have to see any of those in real life. I don't mind watching movies and such with that stuff (I did freak some friends out by taking them to see Shortbus), I just don't want to do it. I think that's a pretty standard human response, when you start adding moral judgments on top is when it gets hairy (heh).
These food comparisons have got to fucking stop. It is not remotely similar.
Why not?
SkeptiMism
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It can be prejudiced, but I just can't see why it would necessarily be so. Instinctive things don't have to be prejudiced, and one doesn't have had to cultivate instinctual things to have them. Not everything has to be taught. I'm sure as hell I've learned from nowhere that some things are simply naturally disgusting to me, such as thinking of my parents fucking, or thinking of old people fucking, or thinking of fat people fucking.
Hell, I get repulsed by porn after I'm done satisfying myself. It just suddenly becomes disgusting for me (and far more so than gay sex). Am I prejudiced against porn then or could this be an instinctual thing similar to how I view gay sex?
Demonizing something like that is what's not fine. If you find nothing gross about it, that's good for you, really good. Other people do find something gross about it however and no it doesn't have to indicate any prejudice.
Your last sentence is also quite a big hyperbole. Certainly, if one has that reaction they really should think about it heavily. Being slightly grossed about such a thing is completely different than actually freaking out and starting to cry about it.
blame space
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because when you talk about food that you like or don't like you're prospecting that you will eat it. no one is prospecting that you have sex with anything. everyone eats. not everyone has gay sex.
FelixOrion
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Food comparisons are also inapt because they're most often based on experience (ie by definition not prejudice, but also by definition are biased), whereas finding sex acts gross based on the participants is almost never based on personal experience. Unless you straight guys want to tell us all something.
kame-sennin
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The problem with the original question is that "prejudice" isn't defined. To most people it means 'hateful'. Finding gay sex repulsive is not hateful, but it is ignorant and silly and based on homophobic societal conditioning.
Do you watch porn? Are you grossed out when a guy takes his penis out? Are you grossed out when a male face kisses a female face? If the various sexual parts of male anatomy are not disgusting by themselves, why does it suddenly become gross when one male's anatomy comes in contact with the anatomy of another male? Objectively, there's nothing gross about a homosexual kiss or a homosexual hand job. The revulsion comes from a societal mandate that has permeated your subconscious,
Do you watch porn? Are you grossed out when a guy takes his penis out? Are you grossed out when a male face kisses a female face? If the various sexual parts of male anatomy are not disgusting by themselves, why does it suddenly become gross when one male's anatomy comes in contact with the anatomy of another male? Objectively, there's nothing gross about a homosexual kiss or a homosexual hand job. The revulsion comes from a societal mandate that has permeated your subconscious,
SoraanTribal
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"Repulsive" is such a strong word. I'm gay, and I don't get repulsed when I see straight sex - I'm just not aroused by it
. And I certainly don't feel "sick to my stomach" or repulsed by straight couples kissing... I find it odd people have said that about gay people kissing in public. I think it has more to do with your exposure to that sort of thing. Most people are raised seeing straight couples kissing everywhere (in cartoons, tv shows, movies, real life/parents, etc), so that's all you know.
The fact that I have to worry about showing any sort of PDA because of fears of getting ridiculed depresses me sometimes. Even something as simple as holding hands is frowned upon.
I don't think not finding gay sex arousing or interesting is homophobic or anything like that. But if you think less of someone who partakes in that or try to take away our rights, then yes, you are prejudice/homophobic.
(unless it focuses mainly on the guy. )
)The fact that I have to worry about showing any sort of PDA because of fears of getting ridiculed depresses me sometimes. Even something as simple as holding hands is frowned upon.
I don't think not finding gay sex arousing or interesting is homophobic or anything like that. But if you think less of someone who partakes in that or try to take away our rights, then yes, you are prejudice/homophobic.
hawkshockey11
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If there is one topic that isn't handled well on here, it is sexuality/gender.
"repulsive" suggests that it is immoral or generally frowned upon in society. A man masturbating on a playground is repulsive. Sexual acts which are not personally appealing to you are not repulsive.
"repulsive" suggests that it is immoral or generally frowned upon in society. A man masturbating on a playground is repulsive. Sexual acts which are not personally appealing to you are not repulsive.
That's true, but people don't simply express their preferences based on things they may or may not partake in. They will state things that they find unpleasant without experiencing them firsthand.
Booty Patrol
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Yeah, exactly. That's why I'm leaning towards yes on this question.
GeordieMark
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I think some of the talk of prejudice today in this thread and the other is a bit misguided.
Prejudice is only bad if you let it affect the way you treat other people. It is perfectly acceptable, unavoidable, and normal to disapprove of things.
Where it becomes an issue is if you treat people badly, or discriminate against them because of the prejudices you hold.
I don't believe anyone here who tries to sell the bullshit line that they don't have any prejudices. I honestly don't believe its possible.
Prejudice is only bad if you let it affect the way you treat other people. It is perfectly acceptable, unavoidable, and normal to disapprove of things.
Where it becomes an issue is if you treat people badly, or discriminate against them because of the prejudices you hold.
I don't believe anyone here who tries to sell the bullshit line that they don't have any prejudices. I honestly don't believe its possible.
The notion of societal-conditioning has been repeated several times on this thread, and with each post, it sounds more and more patronizing of other posters.
EDIT: "it's understandable you think that way, you've been conditioned to think that way, it doesn't make you bad, but it makes you ignorant, but it's OK, we won't judge"
The Hermit
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hell no... the term prejudice is getting a little out of the hand
blame space
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even the term getting out of hand is getting out of hand. political correctness run amok.
GeordieMark
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So what if he finds it repulsive? Isn't that up to him? As long as he still treats people with respect and doesn't discriminate, isn't it irrelevant what he thinks?
PhoenixDark
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No, but it you use that as an excuse to discriminate against gay people than of course it's a major problem. I have no problem with the concept in general, although personally I find the idea of anal sex rather ehhh whether it's between straight people or gay people. Not all gay men participate in that though, from what I've read. Two dudes kidding though? I'm not offended or repulsed by that. I'd rather see a guy kissing a girl of course, but it doesn't bother me. And I wouldn't mind seeing Idris Elba kiss a dude.
I skip anal scenes in porn. I blame the trauma of seeing...that Ava Devine scene.
I skip anal scenes in porn. I blame the trauma of seeing...that Ava Devine scene.
And_Gignac
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You can not like something and still not being grossed out by it.
If you feel grossed out by fat people having sex then maybe you are prejudiced agaisnt fat people.
If you feel grossed out by old people having sex then maybe you suffer of ageism, and so on.
If you feel grossed out by fat people having sex then maybe you are prejudiced agaisnt fat people.
If you feel grossed out by old people having sex then maybe you suffer of ageism, and so on.
The Hermit
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Haha true
I've given this some thought. I don't want to see gay sex ever. But I have no issue with gay people in general unless they're assholes. I think it boils down to me not being attracted to males. I also do not ever want to see two ugly fat people having heterosexual intercourse. I imagine it is a similar story with not wanting to see gay sex.
hawkshockey11
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I find it hard to believe a person can treat people as equals while being repulsed by their sexuality
BananaSprinkles
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This is laughable. Me being repulsed by two guys having sex is in no way "ignorant" "silly" or "homophobic."
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