Ganzlinger
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How could you forget Grosso? lol
Besides the defense, they had great players like Pirlo, Totti and Del Piero. Those legends deserved the Cup.
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2014 FIFA World Cup |OT8| Brazi1 - German7
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How could you forget Grosso? lol
Besides the defense, they had great players like Pirlo, Totti and Del Piero. Those legends deserved the Cup.
Ganzlinger
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And Palacio should have scored that instead of giving a pass to Cillessen
Dagobert Duck
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Well atleast the brazilian fans will be on our side...
I only saw the first half of NEDARG and to be honest, i even played around on my Wii U and 3DS during that...
I bet people who love some good defense had a blast watching that game, but after getting overly hyped on tuesday because of germany, I just didnt feel it yesterday
Nothing to argue about there. I am normally in love for defensive games, and I did watch it all, but occupied myself at most stoppages with some math on expenses and money and all that to find some things out and plan. Like, it seemed a far better way to spend my time than watching every attack fizzle out. Still I am glad I got a good look at the opponent, and I am not unhappy that I watched the game. It was a great match-up.
Dagobert Duck
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I get what you mean, my dad loves such games. But I just cant get over Argentina being so dependent and if my stupid guess is right I think if we block Messis play we won't have a hard time...one or two goals should be enough for Germany to get the victory
Am I late to say that the Belgium fan that was quoted in these threads so much earlier for being attractive is now a model of L'Oréal?
https://gma.yahoo.com/world-cup-fan-scores-modeling-gig-cheering-183736486--abc-news-topstories.html
Edit: As I start to read articles posted about this Argentina-Germany game I am beginning to grow a bit frustrated by something that has been bothering me a long while. Messi gets a ton of praise, which is completely deserved, seeing as the sort of player he is, but he gets a bit too much of that spotlight. These preview articles, as early as they are, mostly focus on him being vital in the offense and that is just about it regarding that factor, even with the German side.
Still, I look at these and I wonder why in the hell Thomas Müller is so damn underrated. He is a grand finisher, getting a fantastic tally of goals with a lot of awesome team play, dominating in these big games, especially the World Cup, and he is only 24. He has at least 2 world cups left in him, maybe even 3. He has a major chance of taking the Klose record just fine, even in just the next cup, ignoring all others. He has fine pace, a lot of stamina, pretty good dribbling and passing, smart decision making, good positioning, awesome mental game, great personality, and goals/assists. He is a great player, and even if he isn't underrated here, I am seeing it all over these articles, he doesn't get a single mention really. Ridiculously frustrating, coming from one of his big supporters.
https://gma.yahoo.com/world-cup-fan-scores-modeling-gig-cheering-183736486--abc-news-topstories.html
Edit: As I start to read articles posted about this Argentina-Germany game I am beginning to grow a bit frustrated by something that has been bothering me a long while. Messi gets a ton of praise, which is completely deserved, seeing as the sort of player he is, but he gets a bit too much of that spotlight. These preview articles, as early as they are, mostly focus on him being vital in the offense and that is just about it regarding that factor, even with the German side.
Still, I look at these and I wonder why in the hell Thomas Müller is so damn underrated. He is a grand finisher, getting a fantastic tally of goals with a lot of awesome team play, dominating in these big games, especially the World Cup, and he is only 24. He has at least 2 world cups left in him, maybe even 3. He has a major chance of taking the Klose record just fine, even in just the next cup, ignoring all others. He has fine pace, a lot of stamina, pretty good dribbling and passing, smart decision making, good positioning, awesome mental game, great personality, and goals/assists. He is a great player, and even if he isn't underrated here, I am seeing it all over these articles, he doesn't get a single mention really. Ridiculously frustrating, coming from one of his big supporters.
Ganzlinger
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Yeah, it was already said here. She is cute.
I figured, I haven't been keeping up with most news really. Good for her though, glad she found success from accidentally being seen in a Belgium game. Now she has a good gig, supporters, and a nice looking future. Not bad for herself.
Congrats to Argentina!
i'm glad arg won, but dem feels mane
That feel when you are too good at an online multiplayer game that everyone on the server starts calling you cheat.
...he had a pretty quiet game though.
Shining Sunshine
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Tragicomedy
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I'm not sure what game you were watching. There was a slight possession advantage to the Netherlands. Argentina was ahead or tied in every other key offensive category. The teams were very evenly matched.
Shots (on goal)
Netherlands 7(3)
Argentina 8(5)
Saves
Netherlands 4
Argentina 1
Probably because outside of the World Cup he isn't nearly as dominating. He's still an excellent player, mind you - but he doesn't outshine everyone else in his team like Messi and CR7 do during regular league. I actually think that's a plus though, he's been defended horribly during the entire world cup so far and given far too much room. Even though he's showed what a beast he is during two consecutive World Cups he's still being underestimated.
And we also shouldn't forget that Müller is batshit crazy in a positive sense (very hard to predict his actions, German commentators like to call him "Duracell Bunny"); before, during and after the match. I mean...who would dance on the field eating pasta right in front of the opponent's fans after beating the host of the World Cup 7-1 in the semifinals?
Müller, that's who.
WonkyPanda
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Muller is literally bred for the WC. Outside of it, he's very good, but not a great, imo.
PdotMichael
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Better than the other way around. Ask Rooney or Ronaldo.
Also normally he plays in a different position where he can't score all the time.
That's dope.
Urge to change avatar rising.
Shining Sunshine
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I wish I could find the gif of Marcelo jumping over a cross that turned into a goal. What an idiot.
We just HAVE to take it this time. The last international tournament we won was one year after I was born. I don't want to have to wait any longer to experience the win of an International title and the WORLD CUP at that ;-;
Ronnie was great bro. Don't besmirch because his skill doesn't easily fit into those graphs.
SkylineRKR
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Netherlands were shit and I'm not really proud or anything. We had a shitty tournament, but its okay as long as you win.
Expectations were zero, granted. But still...
We beat Spain, but that Spain was done for anyway. Narrow win against Australia. Good defensive win against a slightly overrated and inexperienced Chile that didn't have Vidal. Then a rather fortunate win against another slightly overrated squad, Mexico.
And then? No single goal in 240 minutes of playtime. What other team didn't score within this time span?
Then there was our big 3. Van Persie played yet another awful tournament. 45 minutes of fame against Spain, and then? Nothing. Sneijder? invisible. Robben? He was good but I don't get why people rate him as the best. I think Rodriguez was better (also owning midfield himself) although they were eliminated too soon. This is why it went subsequently worse. Sneijder and RVP were exposed, all marking went to Robben. So went from 2 goals, to 1 goal, to an assist and finally to basically nothing in the final 2 games.
Result is great, semifinals. But if we replay the games I'm sure we'll need some pills.
Expectations were zero, granted. But still...
We beat Spain, but that Spain was done for anyway. Narrow win against Australia. Good defensive win against a slightly overrated and inexperienced Chile that didn't have Vidal. Then a rather fortunate win against another slightly overrated squad, Mexico.
And then? No single goal in 240 minutes of playtime. What other team didn't score within this time span?
Then there was our big 3. Van Persie played yet another awful tournament. 45 minutes of fame against Spain, and then? Nothing. Sneijder? invisible. Robben? He was good but I don't get why people rate him as the best. I think Rodriguez was better (also owning midfield himself) although they were eliminated too soon. This is why it went subsequently worse. Sneijder and RVP were exposed, all marking went to Robben. So went from 2 goals, to 1 goal, to an assist and finally to basically nothing in the final 2 games.
Result is great, semifinals. But if we replay the games I'm sure we'll need some pills.
WonkyPanda
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I'm not even being facetious: it's one of the worst defensive displays i've seen in a long time. The discipline and precision of the Germans didn't help.
plantedunicorn
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Damn comparing Silva's heat map to Luiz is hilarious. I feel Luiz has the abilities to be a great defender but the guy lacks any sort of discipline whatsoever. He needs someone to teach him that and he's not gonna get that at PSG. Till then he'll just be running forward like a headless chicken thinking he's the second coming of Ronaldo.
I'm amazed that we were able to manage a better defence than Brazil with defenders that largely play Eredivisie football, which really deserves the label of 'Mickey Mouse competition' that many have given it these days.
That article really shows very well just how insanely bad Brazil was.
SkylineRKR
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It was mostly Ron, and he plays Premiership. De Vrij was the big surprise, he's gotten a lot better.
But Martins Indi and Janmaat? Dodgy at best.
And his ass is usually covered by Silva. Dante was playing so badly.
SkylineRKR
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If I had to guess it must've been Wijnaldum and Clasie.
plantedunicorn
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First time I'm hearing about this but after the game someone on ESPN said the reason Vlaar went first was because he was the best at it during training. Maybe I heard that wrong
Brazil had some good stats in their last game too.
Dagobert Duck
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I know that feeling, bro... Born in 88 Champion in 90...I dont remember a thing
I need this
SkylineRKR
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This goes for a lot of German players imo.
They just seem to outdo themselves once they don the white jersey. Klose hasn't really been relevant on club level for ages, and wasn't that good at Bayern either. But in die mannschaft he's excellent. Even now.
Podolski has been consistently shit on club level, but he basically performed well on all tournaments before this one.
Toni Kroos is ridiculous this tournament, but at Bayern he wasn't even sure of play time?
If we look at Holland its the other way around, Van Persie is great at club level but shit when wearing orange. I rather had it the other way around, I don't give much fucks about clubs abroad.
Delta Assault
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Why would a professional soccer player refuse to take a penalty kick? The goal's 24 feet wide...
Shining Sunshine
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If any player knows history, the best kick taker goes first.
It's always a moral victory to have the first one go in.
I'd like to see statistics on this though. Would be hard to pull stats like this since who knows who the best kick taker is at each game.
Difference of being a tight team vs having a lot of stars be a "team" where everyone is selfish and half of the players never played together, nationally or internationally. Same reason the underdogs got as far as they did this tournament, but the difference is that lots of our players have a lot of international experience on the club level on top of being an exceptionally tight team. Löw has beaten every sense of selfishness out of this team in the last eight years, brutally at that.
Ex: Not shaking hands with the reserve players and trainer staff when being taken out of a game? Pack your stuff and never come back to the national team again (that was Kevin Kurany, I think - one of the best strikers we had at that time! Frings also got the boot after complaining to Löw iirc).
In 2010 that might have resulted in a perceived lack of determination (lots of people called for an asshole leader in the team back then) and us losing our nerves against Spain, but by now instead of a lack of leadership in the team this flat hierarchy has resulted in basically every player on the team being a leading player when the situation calls for it (e.g. Schweinsteiger calling out Özil for a bad pass when we led 5-0 against Brazil, Neuer being angry at Hummels and Boateng for the 7-1 etc.). Our team is full to the brim with self-confidence, but not a single hint of arrogance to be seen so far.
tl;dr We have the best German team of the last 20 years - now or never!
Slurpy2k20
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What a stupid fucking post. Is your girlfriend both blind and deaf? That's the only excuse she wouldn't know Messi was playing, if she was actually watching the game. Cause you know, you only saw the guy every few seconds, with the announcers mentioning his name only 57,923 times.
Oh wait, nevermind, that actually proves that Messi sucks. Cause your girlfriend (if she exists) couldnt tell if he was playing. Yeah, that's it.
Also, the "greatest of all time" is such a ridiculous title. Standards are constantly changing, and you cant compare players between generations. The contexts, environments, and standards are completely different. Messi is an incredible player, and one of the best (if not the best) playing today. Isn't that enough? Oh wait, your GF didnt notice him, so I guess all his stats and achievements are meaningless.
Netherlands have midfield players that are very good defensively too. The central defenders were are solid. The lateral ones were quite shabby but they get good support from the midfield.
Brazil was playing too wide open. there was no one from the midfield coming back quick enough to defend. Marcelo quite often plays at Real Madrid more as a wing men supporting Ronaldo than as a real left back. And Dante was just plain awful. The fact that the keeper was not saving anything didn't help either.
Klose was only poor at Bayern because of issues with management and some stuff with Luca Toni, he was actually good. He also performed well for Lazio before he slowed with age.
Podolski was extremely good at Köln, which is partly why Arsenal picked him up, he is just a bit streaky. He hasn't been bad with his time this tournament, just average.
Kroos played all the damn time, started more consistently than Müller I think, which is pretty damn ridiculous all things considered. There was just a period where he would get subbed off after not really making much impact and he'd go batshit crazy mad, throwing stuff and all. Just immaturity, otherwise he hasn't been bad with us.
Müller also plays extremely well for Bayern, as does Schweinsteiger and Lahm, and Boateng and Neuer. Boateng the least of that bunch. Schweinsteiger fought injury this season, Lahm was forced in midfield, Neuer badassed the whole thing, except after he got a little hurt, and Boateng made a few errors but covered Dante well.
As for the Dutch, well Robben is a great counterexample, been great and consistent ever since he joined Bayern, amazing player. Really carried them to this point, honestly, deserves all the credit he has gotten with or without diving. Van Persie is streaky, all I can say. Same goes for Mario Gomez, but he isn't playing with Germany right now, since he is still recovering.
Always-honest
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Damn, i was sure we would reach the final...
Anyway, pretty proud. Vlaar is an awesome defender. He saved us many times throughout the tournament.
Crazy match, considering there were almost no chances for both teams.
Anyway, pretty proud. Vlaar is an awesome defender. He saved us many times throughout the tournament.
Crazy match, considering there were almost no chances for both teams.
Difference of being a tight team vs having a lot of stars be a "team" where everyone is selfish and half of the players never played together, nationally or internationally. Same reason the underdogs got as far as they did this tournament, but the difference is that lots of our players have a lot of international experience on the club level on top of being an exceptionally tight team. Löw has beaten every sense of selfishness out of this team in the last eight years, brutally at that.
Ex: Not shaking hands with the reserve players and trainer staff when being taken out of a game? Pack your stuff and never come back to the national team again (that was Kevin Kurany, I think - one of the best strikers we had at that time! Frings also got the boot after complaining to Löw iirc).
In 2010 that might have resulted in a perceived lack of determination (lots of people called for an asshole leader in the team back then) and us losing our nerves against Spain, but by now instead of a lack of leadership in the team this flat hierarchy has resulted in basically every player on the team being a leading player when the situation calls for it (e.g. Schweinsteiger calling out Özil for a bad pass when we led 5-0 against Brazil, Neuer being angry at Hummels and Boateng for the 7-1 etc.). Our team is full to the brim with self-confidence, but not a single hint of arrogance to be seen so far.
tl;dr We have the best German team of the last 20 years - now or never!
(Repost for visibility)
WonkyPanda
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That's not even collegiate level bad. That's, like, maybe lower division AYSO bad.
Just...I can't even fathom.
EDIT: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...jury-updates-on-germany-stars-knee-and-return
Seems like Hummels is still in the air.
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