They bided their time till the N64 era for the glorious sub-30 fps.
First impressions of The Last of Us: Remastered (Game Informer)
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They bided their time till the N64 era for the glorious sub-30 fps.
I did in Dark Souls for PC, but that was mostly for gameplay reasons since the 60 FPS mode messed with running speed/jump distance and could make you fall through the world to your death if you tried to slide down a ladder.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Looking forward to this. Never got around to playing it on my PS3 despite getting one of the Limited Edition versions at launch.
Never even opened it.
Never even opened it.
vinyl has some comparative advantages that would deem his choice valid or even correct.
now substitute "vinyl" with "8track" and you have a good example.
I agree. Fun is just better a 60fps though. Haha.
I did in Dark Souls for PC, but that was mostly for gameplay reasons since the 60 FPS mode messed with running speed/jump distance and could make you fall through the world to your death if you tried to slide down a ladder.
That's not really the same thing - I'm pretty sure the assumption of it working as expected is also in there.
Lol. I guess it's fine then. It's shocking that some gamers would prefer a lower frame rate but to each his own.
EightBitNate
Member
Such hyperbole coming from both sides of this whole 30/60fps conundrum
First of all, let's get it out of the way that no one can say anything for sure, so stop posting in definitives.
Possible reasons why there's a 30fps lock option
1. A lot of people over at Naughty Dog are saying that it runs at 60fps, and there's no reason to doubt them. However, no one ever claimed it'd be locked.
Whether it rarely or frequently fluctuates from 60 is the million dollar question. I'm going to bet it rarely does because ND is rarely deceitful. The dips are most likely uncommon and won't hinder gameplay. Some think Naughty Dog is giving the option to run at a locked framerate to provide a better experience.
2. Dat cinematic feel. I'm not someone who immediately notices the difference between 30/60, nor do I care to learn, but it seems like some people have convinced themselves that 30fps might look better in this game since it doesn't move as fast as, say, Bayonetta. Instead of a "smooth" 60fps, some think Naughty Dog is allowing users an option to play at a lower framerate.
3. Remote play or some shit - probably not true at all
There you have it folks. Personally, I think it's the first case since the second one has never been done before when I higher framerate was viable. Until then, I wish people would stop talking like they're Naughty Dog developers or something.
Edit: missed the tweet but I already wrote all this so deal with it please
First of all, let's get it out of the way that no one can say anything for sure, so stop posting in definitives.
Possible reasons why there's a 30fps lock option
1. A lot of people over at Naughty Dog are saying that it runs at 60fps, and there's no reason to doubt them. However, no one ever claimed it'd be locked.
Whether it rarely or frequently fluctuates from 60 is the million dollar question. I'm going to bet it rarely does because ND is rarely deceitful. The dips are most likely uncommon and won't hinder gameplay. Some think Naughty Dog is giving the option to run at a locked framerate to provide a better experience.
2. Dat cinematic feel. I'm not someone who immediately notices the difference between 30/60, nor do I care to learn, but it seems like some people have convinced themselves that 30fps might look better in this game since it doesn't move as fast as, say, Bayonetta. Instead of a "smooth" 60fps, some think Naughty Dog is allowing users an option to play at a lower framerate.
3. Remote play or some shit - probably not true at all
There you have it folks. Personally, I think it's the first case since the second one has never been done before when I higher framerate was viable. Until then, I wish people would stop talking like they're Naughty Dog developers or something.
Edit: missed the tweet but I already wrote all this so deal with it please
Nah. I've played games at a locked 60 fps, and it makes the animations in some games look bad. Not as bad in motion captured games, but in hand animated games it can break the whole illusion. Really just depends on the game I guess.
I played Tomb Raider DE and the framerate jumping around didn't make it feel bad to me at all. When it was running at 60, I thought it looked pretty good actually.
One would hope so! I was just giving an example of preferring locked 30 with some major caveats attached.
akidnamededdy
Banned
With all the resolutiongate stuff and technical talk taking center stage this gen, there's no way a dev like this doesn't know whether or not to use words like "locked" when referring to framerate.
ethomaz
Banned
How did you get thought N64 era? One of my personal best game ever ran at 20fps in this era.
KINGofCRA5H
Member
Based Naughty Dog
I can enjoy games at almost any playable framerate (N64/PS1 games were remarkably poor, but absolutely playable), but higher framerates are objectively better than lower ones.
20 years ago almost every single game played at 60Hz, now we have a generation of gamers that prefer 30fps and "60fps looks weird to them". We're going backwards.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Please tell me about the "locked" 60fps games you have been playing as of late.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
How did people that prefer 60fps ever get through the PS1/N64 era?
Woah, you answered your own question!
Reminds me of all those people in other threads who desperately push the argument of TLoU's gameplay somehow being 'objectively bad'. Never got that. I had friggin' FUN with this bad gameplay, in fact I was having the time of my gaming-year. So what on earth does this claim even mean? F-U-N, some people don't seem to know what it is.
[Not directed at you, of course, your post just reminded me]
Only for somethings, bro.
ProjectBerkley
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KINGofCRA5H
Member
/blank stare
ethomaz
Banned
Me too
My point is how anybody can complain about gamers that prefer 30fps? Well I love MC Donald's but there are a lot of guys that hate it... it is just personal taste.
Review thread will be worse.
Ok, excuse my ignorance here as I know jack shit of how video playback and framerates actually work. We know that Naughty Dog uses pre-rendered videos for their cinematics (So far). If the cinematics for the remaster are rendered in 60fps, how will the console play them in 30fps? Is that possible when the source video is 60fps?
It's the same game with better graphics and framerate, did they put in additional content I don't know about?
EightBitNate
Member
Maybe both are available? I doubt they'd have enough disc space though
SirMossyBloke
Member
You're not? :/
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
I wonder. I feel like this game will average mid-upper 50s in the framerate department. I'm curious to see how many people see that and declare "ha! not 60fps!" As if most non-fighting/racing games that are '60fps' on consoles are locked.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Who takes Digital Foundry serious anymore?
Not sure they'll even have time to cover this game what with all the demo and beta game codes they are uselessly analysing.
viveks86
Member
Nevaaa! Who cares what they say. We know better than anybody, cuz we've seen gameplay and it fluctu... oh wait
Well that depends what you already know about in terms of what's included.
Canis lupus
Member
As I expected. People were calling me ridiculous for stating that the 30fps lock was probably due to preferences rather than technical impossibility of 60fps. The game has likely dips, but that was never gonna be the reason they added this option. It's not KZ or inFamous that were both 30fps games but were capable of achieving ~40ps.
ethomaz
Banned
They can either record a version of video in 30fps or fast transcode in real time to remove 1 in each 2 frames... it is really really fast do that with no performance impact.
PS. I don't thing the second position can be called transcode... because they will only ignore 1 frame each 2 when output/streaming the video... no performance hit.
keltickennedy
Member
Ehh, I have heard some people feel sick with watching cutscenes and quick moving camera pans at 60fps. I think it was a topic in the Ground Zeroes thread a while ago. It's always a good thing when I game gives you more options.
For me, 60fps is where its at. I already played through the PS3 version at a lower framerate.
I am curious if the option with be in multiplayer. Seems like it would give the player a massive disadvantage.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Lord almighty who art in heaven. Yes yes yes.
It's relatively simple to just play every other frame of a 60fps video file for 30fps playback. It's what happens when you drop a 60fps video into a 30fps timeline in an editing program, for example. I'd assume that is what they do when you toggle 30fps mode on.
Maybe by keeping one frame on screen twice as much, and skipping the next.
Yeah, I don't think the disc has enough space for both "versions" of the cinematics. Or maybe I'm dumb, and the console can simply play a 60fps video in 30fps also.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
They simply cut out every other frame to simulate the effect.
It's why they were talking about the cutting room floor, they are manually cutting the frames as you watch the movies via Gaikai.
That's a good question and I don't have an answer
viveks86
Member
I'm just a year old on GAF, so no. :'(
Oh man, I loved that in infamous. Can't wait to use it some more in last of us.
dont act like 60fps games never existed.
forza 5 and all previous forzas before them on 360 is a very good example.
a couple of call of duties managed pretty well too on 360.
this from the heavy-hitters.
even later, nice example of good framerate was/is wolfenstein.
about fluctuating framerate, again I will give you an example this gen:
ghosts.
it played very well on xbone until it was ..patched. and then, some framedrops could occur under conditions exactly when you are aiming, a thing which is 1000x more bad than if the cutscenes had drops for example.
so, minus 5 frames at the wrong time is something, while 5 frames up/down on other case could mean absolutely nothing.