Windom Earle
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I'll definitely get this whenever I pick up a PS4. Must buy!
TLOU Remastered screenshots (PS Blog)
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Doctoglethorpe
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Infamous wasn't 60. It wasn't even trying to be 60. It was 30-40 the vast majrity of the time, and yeah thats going to cause a lot of uneven, inconsistency issues. So if thats what you think 60fps is, please don't.
If you find real 60fps jarring, just stick with it. Its only so because its different, because your so accustomed to 30 that its a radical change to your natural comfort zone, not because its inherently worse. Give yourself time to adjust and you will come to understand the benefits and no longer notice any oddness. Trust me.
MaximusPayne
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TGO
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30/24fps "cinematic" hads the slow fluid moment and motion blur ( lower framerates increases the intensity of motion blur in film) in an attempt to recreate a picture in same way the human eye perceives the world in.
The human eye does not see in framerates or a locked speed (this is why we see motion blur) and is why 60fps or higher for everything isn't favoured by everyone, it's looks wrong to them and abnormal.
And it's nothing to do with people being used to film or game framerates lower framerates, we simply don't always see the world at the speed that 60fps produces, and if you do you must be buzzing.
But with games its different, games are not captured film and you can't create motion blur simply by reducing the framerate, so other then the speed that we mostly see the world in, or cinematic speed, it all bullshit.
you simply can't reproduce a film technique in a game the same way, you'll need a graphical effect to do that, unless They're relying on your TV to do the job.
simplythebest
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IAmRandom31
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This is a REMASTER man. They are simply remastering the original assets. It is not a REMAKE. Where they completely remake the entire game from scratch.
Well if you switch from console to PC, yes. I'm talking solely about PC, though.
If you buy Bioshock on PC, you don't have to rebuy it later on if you upgrade or even buy a new computer.
Its totally not the same thing and you know it.
On most any issue GAF will run the whole gamut of opinions, and the extremes on both sides will be about 50% more extreme than you would have thought possible going in. One of the many ways GAF can drive you nuts if you're the sort who tends to view large communities as a whole or collective.
Dragon1893
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Yup, looks the same:
You should get your eyesight checked.
I doubt the eyes are the issue.
Apparently achieving great IQ on a PS3 game running on PS4 is unbelievable.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but does he mean that 60 fps was possible and they decided against it because people prefer 30 fps like last gen?Seems people are talking more about IQ than FPS in here but I may aswell post it
Wat....
No, they have a toggle-able option in the settings to cap the frame-rate at 30fps instead of the default 60, because some people have asked for that. And he is saying that is the reason for the option existing, and it is not because the 60fps fluctuates/drops wildly (because it doesn't).
GribbleGrunger
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ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Yeah I agree, I really wanna play on my TV though.
gift of 100 gab
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Really can't wait to finally get to play this. Looks (and sounds) fantastic so far.
Not sure what your point is here. I think it looks good for a Remaster and my response was to someone who said he expected more for the PS4's power when that isn't the issue.
So what are you getting at? It's exactly what I expected.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Yeah I feel the same. I'm buying the game all the same and really looking forward to it, but I guess I'm just spoiled by PC graphics in that it's not what I would call amazing. This is where the 60 fps is gonna come in though, TLoU animations + 60fps + anti-aliasing = bleeding eyes.
There is a talk on B3D that these screenshots could indeed be in-engine. Something like 4x MSAA with strong sharpening filter or probably that black magic that ND used for the realtime demo of Uncharted 4 [which looked perfect with minimal artifacting that only very patient people can find after deep examination].
It makes sense that they would use some stuff they built for Uncharted 4 on their first PS4 game.
It makes sense that they would use some stuff they built for Uncharted 4 on their first PS4 game.
Well for one, there is more detail on the signs and the plants. I agree that on the surface, it's blurry vs not blurry. But when you have that kind of image on a big screen TV (50 inches +), and at 1080p, it's going to look gorgeous.
Imagine the blurry image w/ 720p resolution on a 50-55 inch TV. It's going to look even worse then the screenshots.
Lord Error
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Why the hell would you use sharpening after adding high quality AA? They didn't do that on UC4 trailer - it's the kind of stupidity the XB1 scaler got laughed at to no end, until they removed it. It literally makes no sense because people who like to use that effect can always make it happen by pressing few buttons on their TV remote.
viveks86
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But but is it a direct in-game screen grab from a single PS4 running at 60 fps?
shiftplusone
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if i'm playing X-COM on my ipad and then switch to my PC, i'm expecting to buy a new copy of the game
if I'm playing X-COM on my ps3 and then switch to 360, i'm expecting to buy a new copy of the game.
if i'm playing DW8 on my Ps3, and then switch to a ps4, and then switch to my pc, i'm expecting that i'll have paid for the game 3 times.
New Platform, new copy of the game.
A ps4 is more than just a bigger video card and hard drive and you know it.
TetraGenesis
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That's a very good way of putting it.
Why do you keep talking about switching platforms?
If you buy it on PC and you upgrade your PC or buy a new one, you *don't* have to buy a new copy of the game.
The context of the original discussion was 'PC gaming'. You're just trying very hard to downplay it.
I was staring at it. I'm just like, I could have sworn the game looks like that if not better.
UnlovedJew
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When looking at screens of it alone without the comparison, the game looks the same to me. It's probably the visual nostalgia thing. Wind Waker and its HD twin showed that wonderfully. The comparison shot is insane to put it in perspective though.
Because two different consoles even from the same manufacturer are in the majority of cases, for all intents and purposes, different platforms.
Yup. Exactly. And it means you have to rebuy a game to play it with a higher resolution/framerate, and only if the developer chooses to release it.
PC gaming doesn't have that. You buy new PC hardware, you don't have to rebuy software and 90%+ of your library gets the 'HD' treatment automatically.
I think you guys are missing the original context of this discussion.
Missing the point, more like it.
WolfForager
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Well said.
shiftplusone
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Okay fine then
Why is Oddworld: New and Tasty being released on the PC at all, then?
or Grim Fandango HD?
Regardless of the age, it is because the original version of the game was not created with the newest hardware in mind.
why does dota 2 exist when I can play dota 1 at 4k and 60 fps?
Because the original version of the game was not created with the assumption of where modern technology is at.
That's cool and all. Unless of course, you sart running into driver compatibility issues, major OS changes etc. Conversely, many consoles offer(ed) BC. So it's not all "omg PC gaming offers so much more". Which is rather OT, anyway.
Grim Fandango is being remade. That's different from a remaster/up-port.
DOTA 2 is also a ground-up, new title, with new mechanics and all new graphics.
I know you understand the difference, so please don't extend this argument further than it needs to be.
nycgamer4ever
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Yeah mkay. Maybe time to get the upgrade the prescription on the old glasses. How about 60 fps improvement to the gameplay? Is that good enough?
RocketRacoon
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Came to talk about The Last of Us and PS4.
Instead read a ton of PC stuff.
I could talk about the density of the pillows in my house and it would be more on topic than most of this thread. At least there's a PS4 near those pillows.
Isn't there a thread for that (and every other) DIFFERENT topic?
Instead read a ton of PC stuff.
I could talk about the density of the pillows in my house and it would be more on topic than most of this thread. At least there's a PS4 near those pillows.
Isn't there a thread for that (and every other) DIFFERENT topic?
Which is why I said 90%.
And yes, PC gaming really does offer this, even if it makes you uncomfortable to acknowledge it.
Getting off-topic now. I corrected an inaccurate post and I don't feel like constantly defending that from people who don't like hearing about it.
It doesn't make me uncomfortable. It's the usual PC master race bullshit which, quite frankly, few people give a shit about in a thread where they discuss a console exclusive game.
So you don't have to rebuy the game. Yay. So imagine you bought Bioshock Infinite last year and that ran at 720p30 at best on your rig. How much is that gonna cost you to upgrade to something running it at 1080p60 now? Because let's face it, "upgrades" in the PC world that can cost a substantial amount of money don't quite give you huge leaps in res / IQ / FR. The price of the game in that context becomes irrelevant.
Acquiescence
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No, it's a remaster.
Doug Heffernan
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...how so?
shiftplusone
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"If I buy a pc game I can play it on my pc"
That's your original point. Okay?
The original post you responded to was talking about the graphical upgrade is almost PC like. I don't believe he was saying that "buying tlou on ps4 is basically entering a pc-esque ecosystem"
PC is my preferred platform as well but I'm not here arguing that my chair is better than my couch, consoles in ruins.
viveks86
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Yup, looks the same:
You should get your eyesight checked.
Is there a full size comparison of these 2 images?
Primethius
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Dota 2 is the same game as Dota 1 (barring some slight mechanical differences).
Q
Queen of Hunting
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metro remaster on pc says hello, even if you own the other two games on steam, you have to buy the remaster edition. not even a remaster really just upgrading the original to new engine and few tweaks on ll.
Fair enough man. Not how I read it initially but you might be right.
Really don't want to derail this further.
nycgamer4ever
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Well, PS3's Cell processor does laugh at PS4's CPU.
I think it looks like it is intended to look. A PS3 game in 1080p/60 with improved AA, AF. But those screens have definitely been taken through photoshop with some sharpening.
Yeah those screens have been sharpened alright. It's called 1080p vs 720p with proper AA. Will you guys just stop it already. Unless you have proof that these are downsampled please refrain from baseless accusations.
nycgamer4ever
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ReBurn
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Why so defensive? I don't think it's a stretch to wonder if these are bullshots. Until ND shows the game in motion at 1080p 60fps there's little reason to assume that the handful of images is indicative of the final product.