2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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m_shortpants said:
I don't know about a Zionist conspiracy, but it's fact that AIPAC holds tremendous clout in US politics.

Support for Israel is mentioned in every SOTU address, every inauguration speech. On the campaign trail candidates will never question Israel and will vow their unwavering support. The do no wrong rhetoric is just insane. Kerry recently got in trouble for suggesting that Israel was becoming an apartheid state and he had to apologize for his comments.
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Israel as a country is trusted
More by either side than any single state in the us itself
 
DXB-KNIGHT said:
LOL oh Israel this is just pathetic
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This is the most offensive shit I've seen all week. Please tell me this is just a lame ass photoshop joke.
 
Maninthemirror said:
Netenyahu stated publicly last week he does not support a 2 state solution
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He has never supported a real solution, which isn't that strange considering his past. He is a military man, a member of the special forces that participated in all major wars. His brothers are also special forces. His brother was the only Israeli military victim in Operation Entebbe. It is like expecting a diplomatic solution from Putin.
 
I'm also bothered by the logical inconsistency. They want to simultaneously be warning of dangers to others, but also the last one fighting rather than the first.

Just really bad on all sorts of levels.
 
Joni said:
He has never supported a real solution, which isn't that strange considering his past. He is a military man, a member of the special forces that participated in all major wars. His brothers are also special forces. His brother was the only Israeli military victim in Operation Entebbe. It is like expecting a diplomatic solution from Putin.
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I agree he isnt interested in one, but Rabin was a general, a military past means nothing
 
jakonovski said:
And here we go just as predicted, Hamas announces that they've reached a truce deal and pretty much immediately Israel claims breach and says it must "defend itself".

Genocide is only a matter of time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28511075
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You are not telling the whole story here. Israel extended the ceasefire yesterday and Hamas still shot rockets at them after Israel stated they were extending it. Israel even waited 12 hours while Hamas was shooting rockets before starting again and then after starting up again Hamas decided that they wanted to extend as well. Tell the whole story and not just what fits your story you want to tell.
 
njean777 said:
You are not telling the whole story here. Israel extended the ceasefire yesterday and Hamas still shot rockets at them after Israel stated they were extending it. Israel even waited 12 hours while Hamas was shooting rockets before starting again and then after starting up again Hamas decided that they wanted to extend as well. Tell the whole story and not just what fits your story you want to tell.
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Hamas never agreed to the extension. In order to break it they would have had to agree to it in the first place.And the 12 hours you're referring to is the original ceasefire, correct? If that's the case then Hamas didn't break that. They started firing their rockets soon after it expired and rejected the extension.

Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri sent a text message to reporters saying: "No agreement to extending the calm for an additional four hours."
 
Messofanego said:
The glossary of phrases to use is quite revealing.
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Holy shit, I felt like most of these points I heard regurgitated the other day from Netanyahu's spokesperson on Channel 4, as well as on some other interviews too. They're basically parroting this bloody script.
 
m_shortpants said:
The trend I notice in this thread is whenever someone asks pro-Israel their thoughts on something, it's deflected using one of the methods posted above. Bringing up another country for example. Then the argument turns to whether or not that comparison is valid and semantics. And thus, the original question goes unanswered.
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the number is taken from here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...l0HM-3arN1pI_xn6PscNhG52c/edit#gid=1450129886

which show u how many rocket is send and receive by both party and don't forgot about the ending blocking of Gaza which Israel didn't do
 
Skyzard said:
I read a comment on an article just now that summed up Israel's pathetic excuses (but not the victim blaming ones) in recent events:

Israel and Israel-Firsters’
PR methods:

1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it

2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb

3. Ok we killed them, but they were terrorists

4. Ok they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields

5. Ok there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill
civilians by accident, they do it on purpose

6. Ok we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other
countries are!

7. Why are you still talking about Israel ? Are you some kind of
anti-semite?

8. Repeat from step 1 (Test this against the next interview you hear or
watch.)"
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Spineless.
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Sounds about right. A lot of this list sounds familiar even on GAF. I hope people get more and more savvy to these responses and can look past the BS the IDF reports, and instead look at the facts, evidence, UN, UICEF, Human Rights Watch, eye witness and media accounts, footage and so on to form more educated opinions and lambast those who attempt to avert truths behind propaganda, especially when the loss of innocent lives are involved.
 
Dopus said:
Hamas never agreed to the extension. In order to break it they would have had to agree to it in the first place.And the 12 hours you're referring to is the original ceasefire, correct? If that's the case then Hamas didn't break that. They started firing their rockets soon after it expired and rejected the extension.

Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri sent a text message to reporters saying: "No agreement to extending the calm for an additional four hours."
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Well that was kind of dumb of them. If they cared about their people's lives they would have agreed to extend the UN requested ceasefire.
 
njean777 said:
You are not telling the whole story here. Israel extended the ceasefire yesterday and Hamas still shot rockets at them after Israel stated they were extending it. Israel even waited 12 hours while Hamas was shooting rockets before starting again and then after starting up again Hamas decided that they wanted to extend as well. Tell the whole story and not just what fits your story you want to tell.
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The whole place is anarchy, especially after several weeks of brutal bombing. Hamas can't keep a ceasefire at this point even if it wanted to, so Israel can pretty much kill as many as they feel like under that pretext. Where would you draw the line? 2000, 5000, 10000? Or would it be acceptable to just keep killing Gazans until nobody fought back?
 
jakonovski said:
The whole place is anarchy, especially after several weeks of brutal bombing. Hamas can't keep a ceasefire at this point even if it wanted to, so Israel can pretty much kill as many as they feel like under that pretext. Where would you draw the line? 2000, 5000, 10000? Or would it be acceptable to just keep killing Gazans until nobody fought back?
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Why did they announce a ceasefire if they can't keep it? They are playing this stupid game of brinkmanship but don't seem to realise they and their people are always the losers.
 
I find the listing of civilian deaths by percentage to be very effective.

Killing 400 civilians in a world war where you kill 300,000 soldiers would in fact be an incredible feat a country should be lauded for. Killing 400 civilians in a skirmish where you kill ~100 soldiers total contrasts sharply with the previous.
 
Kenshin001 said:
Well that was kind of dumb of them. If they cared about their people's lives they would have agreed to extend the UN requested ceasefire.
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Another ceasefire has been put forward by Hamas. Israel has yet to respond, but by the sounds of it they're ready to reject it stating that Hamas is still firing rockets.
 
Gemüsepizza;122875426 said:
It seems that those pictures are from the official Twitter account of the Israeli embassy in Ireland:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-over-European-terror-propaganda-tweets.html
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From the link...

Israel’s ambassador to Ireland, Boaz Modai, told the Telegraph that he could not comment because “we are now in the middle of a war and I have other things to deal with”.

But it is not the first time staff at the Dublin embassy have got themselves into hot water while using social media. In December 2012 officials were forced to remove an update on Facebook which suggested that if Jesus lived in the modern world he would “probably end up being lynched in Bethlehem by hostile Palestinians.”

Paul Hirschson, a spokesman for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told the Telegraph that ministry officials had in the past spoken with Mr Modai about the social media strategy pursued by the Irish embassy.

He added that the Foreign Ministry took a very laissez faire attitude towards the social media output of its ambassadorial staff. “Israel encourages its diplomats to have very personal Twitter accounts,” he said.

“This particular item was not part of the official Ministry of Foreign Affairs campaign,” he added. “I didn’t personally like the approach.”
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jakonovski said:
The whole place is anarchy, especially after several weeks of brutal bombing. Hamas can't keep a ceasefire at this point even if it wanted to, so Israel can pretty much kill as many as they feel like under that pretext. Where would you draw the line? 2000, 5000, 10000? Or would it be acceptable to just keep killing Gazans until nobody fought back?
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I never have agreed with the killing of civilians, nor would I ever defend it. But at the same time Hamas needs to get their shit together and learn how to lead their troops. If you pride yourself on being powerful and cannot even control your group from firing during a ceasefire than something needs to be done to have better communication.

It is stuff like this that leads people to believe that Hamas doesn't care about peoples lives. Which at this point I don't think they do, and I have never thought they have to be honest. They don't care about the civilians dying because it makes their argument stronger. Which is why I think Israel is stupid in doing what they are doing because it just plays into Hamas's hands.
 
Kenshin001 said:
Why did they announce a ceasefire if they can't keep it? They are playing this stupid game of brinkmanship but don't seem to realise they and their people are always the losers.
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I dunno, probably someone just trying because there's nothing to lose. It's not like anything changes, bombing is bombing. Israel is truly free to kill as many as they want and there is nothing Hamas or anyone else in Gaza can do about it. There will always be people too crazy/bitter/traumatized and they will do some act of violence, and there will be an excuse for another round of Israeli strikes and a few hundred dead.

This one will be over once Israel gets tired of killing.
 
Dopus said:
Another ceasefire has been put forward by Hamas. Israel has yet to respond, but by the sounds of it they're ready to reject it stating that Hamas is still firing rockets.
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Hamas isn't in a position to put forward anything though. They are trying to dictate terms as their people and homes are getting destroyed.
 
So I can't keep up with every post. Have the people here who have been on the defense commented on the whole fact that hamas didn't kidnap those kid which started this whole mess?
 
Akainu said:
So I can't keep up with every post. Have the people here who have been on the defense commented on the whole fact that hamas didn't kidnap those kid which started this whole mess?
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Only a few people made reference to it. It's mostly ignored, much like the Palestinians themselves.

Kenshin001 said:
Hamas isn't in a position to put forward anything though. They are trying to dictate terms as their people and homes are getting destroyed.
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The blame sits with both parties involved. The conditions set out for the 10 year truce were very reasonable, but Israel has no interest in actually solving this crisis just yet.
 
Chariot said:
Well, this is only a step from what they're doing right now, sitting in chairs watching the bombing on hills.
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People like to see fireworks and bombs, news at 11.
That shit has been taken way out of context.

I can post pictures of Palestinians standing on rooftops in the West Bank when they see Iron Dome interceptions over Israel, so?
Doesn't mean shit, some people like watching explosions.
 
Skyzard said:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
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Keep it classy, Israelis.

The thud of shellfire, flash of an explosion and pall of smoke are greeted with exclamations of approval. "What a beauty," says one appreciative spectator.

Shimrit Peretz, 19, has come with her off-duty soldier boyfriend, Raz Sason, whose army-issue assault rifle is slung across his shoulders.

"We come to look at the bombing," Peretz says, adding that this is their fourth visit to the hilltop. They plan to stay several hours: "It's interesting." The pair have brought a backpack filled with bottles of water and bags of crisps.

[...] media crews are coming to the area to cover the fighting. On a nearby hilltop, an ugly scene develops as a group of Israeli men threaten a photographer, accusing him of being a "leftist". We are warned against asking for interviews, as another cheer goes up.
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BowieZ said:
Keep it classy, Israelis.
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How can you hostly post something like this?

You see one article about radicals, and you throw shade to an entire people. This is the kind of shit propaganda does: put the light on a group of idiots, so the populace can hate all israelis as if they are all supporting these cheering cunts.
 
Kurdel said:
How can you hostly post something like this?

You see one article about radicals, and you throw shade to an entire people. This is the kind of shit propaganda does: put the light on a group of idiots, so the populace can hate all israelis as if they are all supporting these cheering cunts.
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What's wrong with watching fireworks?
 
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