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[kmax]

Keep it classy, Israelis.

Classy indeed

 

[werks]

How can you hostly post something like this?

You see one article about radicals, and you throw shade to an entire people. This is the kind of shit propaganda does: put the light on a group of idiots, so the populace can hate all israelis as if they are all supporting these cheering cunts.

Poor Israel, always getting victimized.

 

[BowieZ]

You see one article about radicals, and you throw shade to an entire people.

How else am I meant to refer to the Israelis in the article? I thought "Israelis" was an accurate description of the Israelis.

I didn't mean to paint all of Israel in a certain light. In fact, I hate when people refer to the actions of a government (or a select few in this case) as the actions of the country on the whole. I tried to choose the term Israelis carefully.

 

[OminoMichelin]

But it is not the first time staff at the Dublin embassy have got themselves into hot water while using social media. In December 2012 officials were forced to remove an update on Facebook which suggested that if Jesus lived in the modern world he would “probably end up being lynched in Bethlehem by hostile Palestinians.”

Holy shit I can't ahahahahahah this is is incredible
:|

 

[Messofanego]

https://twitter.com/stevesalaita/status/489945138874302464

That parody is not far from the truth of Israelis gathered on hillsides to watch the Gaza bombings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/w...s-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats.html?_r=0

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

 

[Ether_Snake]

There was already an article about people bringing chairs, beers and snacks on top of a hill to watch the strikes.

edit: there you go

 

[Ashes]

Classy indeed

So casually calling for genocide.

 

[Messofanego]

So casually calling for genocide.

"I'm a little bit fascist"

 

[Kurdel]

What's wrong with watching fireworks?

As I said, I find them revolting.

Poor Israel, always getting victimized.

What a shit post.

How else am I meant to refer to the Israelis in the article? I thought "Israelis" was an accurate description of the Israelis.

I didn't mean to paint all of Israel in a certain light. In fact, I hate when people refer to the actions of a government (or a select few in this case) as the actions of the country on the whole. I tried to choose the term Israelis carefully.

You mean this group of people in Sredot?

There was already an article about people bringing chairs, beers and snacks on top of a hill to watch the strikes.

edit: there you go

Notice the same white sofa?

Do we know how widespead this is, or is this the only spot where journalist can go and describe the same chicha smoking men?

 

[Particle Physicist]

Hamas never agreed to the extension. In order to break it they would have had to agree to it in the first place.And the 12 hours you're referring to is the original ceasefire, correct? If that's the case then Hamas didn't break that. They started firing their rockets soon after it expired and rejected the extension.

Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri sent a text message to reporters saying: "No agreement to extending the calm for an additional four hours."

Technically, you can claim the same thing here then. Israel has yet to agree to this new ceasefire.

 

[Ashes]

As I said, I find them revolting.

I don't.

I think Israel should have the right to kill without impunity.

#it's their fault.

 

[Kenshin001]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

We discussed that about 15 pages ago. If you can not distinguish between private citizens watching the bombing and the city of Tel Aviv setting up super screens to watch live coverage then you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[Dopus]

Technically, you can claim the same thing here then. Israel has yet to agree to this new ceasefire.

Hamas outright rejected the propsal. Israel said they were considering the new ceasefire before rejecting it. A ceasefire can only go into effect once both parties have agreed.

 

[Skyzard]

We discussed that about 15 pages ago. If you can not distinguish between private citizens watching the bombing and the city of Tel Aviv setting up super screens to watch live coverage then you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.

When the attitudes are shared by Israeli PM's and the actions of the IDF have been what we've been seeing - mostly civilian deaths, you can't really blame anyone for thinking the mentality is widespread. Filth.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Hamas outright rejected it. Israel said they were considering the new ceasefire before rejecting it. So no, you can't.

Huh? I don't get the distinction? They both rejected a ceasefire agreement and subsequently resumed attacking.

 

[Dopus]

Huh? I don't get the distinction? They both rejected a ceasefire agreement and subsequently resumed attacking.

Yeah, I edited my post. Misunderstood what you were saying.

My post was in response to the guy who implied that Hamas broke the extended ceasefire.

 

[Kinyou]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

Wow...

 

[LNBL]

I find the listing of civilian deaths by percentage to be very effective.

Killing 400 civilians in a world war where you kill 300,000 soldiers would in fact be an incredible feat a country should be lauded for. Killing 400 civilians in a skirmish where you kill ~100 soldiers total contrasts sharply with the previous.

The current death number stands on 1046 according to the Washington Post. That 400 Civilians and 100 militants would be quite a feat for the IDF, sadly it's even worse than that.

So I can't keep up with every post. Have the people here who have been on the defense commented on the whole fact that hamas didn't kidnap those kid which started this whole mess?

Of course they did not, if i remember correctly someone said it's about the tunnels now anyway.

 

[Stinkles]

How can you hostly post something like this?

You see one article about radicals, and you throw shade to an entire people. This is the kind of shit propaganda does: put the light on a group of idiots, so the populace can hate all israelis as if they are all supporting these cheering cunts.

Remember what she said about the people of Gaza deserving what they get because THEY chose Hamas? THEY voted for that government? It cuts both ways. Israelis chose hawks. And that's why it's a total shitshow.

 

[Kurdel]

Remember what she said about the people of Gaza deserving what they get because THEY chose Hamas? THEY voted for that government? It cuts both ways. Israelis chose hawks. And that's why it's a total shitshow.

I don't think the majority should be judged on a minority.

But those are my values, and it also applies to generalizations about Palestine.

 

[pgtl_10]

Here are pictures of worldwide protests:

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/worldwide-protest-israeli.html

 

[dude]

Yesterday 6000 people gathered in Rabin Square in Tel Aviv to protest against the war. Afterwards, several rightists followed some of us home and I know of at least one guy that's in a hospital. Friends abroad - Please continue pressuring your governments, because the battle from inside seems like it's going to be a hard one :\

 

[Quotient]

The current death number stands on 1046 according to the Washington Post. That 400 Civilians and 100 militants would be quite a feat for the IDF, sadly it's even worse than that.

http://i.gyazo.com/e2ed811f04e7a3dd1f2d8c6f78feb7e5.png



Of course they did not, if i remember correctly someone said it's about the tunnels now anyway.

Serious question: How are they able to distinguish between civilian and militant deaths? As far as i am aware Hamas members don't have dog-tags, or don't necessary have any defined military uniform?

Also, am i reading that there were 2 child militant deaths? Are those under 18 counted as being children. I'd have the imagine they were in there late teens.

 

[Stinkles]

I don't think the majority should be judged on a minority.

.

You mean like bombing and killing women and children because of the actions of militants? Or is it only a concern when it relates to how people are perceived?

I get what you're saying and I agree, but in this context you have to see the hypocrisy.

 

[Ashes]

I don't think the majority should be judged on a minority.

Of course they should. Israel is fighting Hamas not Palestine. Wait sorry, let me check my manual.

Yes. Palestine doesn't exist. So Hamas. This is a war on terror.

 

[kakashi08]

 

[Mr.Sumal]

Serious question: How are they able to distinguish between civilian and militant deaths? As far as i am aware Hamas members don't have dog-tags, or don't necessary have any defined military uniform?

Also, am i reading that there were 2 child militant deaths? Are those under 18 counted as being children. I'd have the imagine they were in there late teens.

You should know by now that IDF don't care about distinguishing.

 

[Kurdel]

You mean like bombing and killing women and children because of the actions of militants? Or is it only a concern when it relates to how people are perceived?

I get what you're saying and I agree, but in this context you have to see the hypocrisy.

I don't see anyone supporting killing palestinian civilians in this thread, or justifying collateral damage.

Of course they should. Israel is fighting Hamas not Palestine. Wait sorry, let me check my manual.

Yes. Palestine doesn't exist. So Hamas. This is a war on terror.

What does that have to do with anything?

I argue that the people cheering seem like outliers, the most radical, and we should maybe take that in consideration before saying "Oh look at those bloodthirsty israelis!".

Wasn't this map deemed misleading, because it implies Palestine was an oragnized country in 1946, when it really wasn't?

 

[BowieZ]

Yesterday 6000 people gathered in Rabin Square in Tel Aviv to protest against the war. Afterwards, several rightists followed some of us home and I know of at least one guy that's in a hospital. Friends abroad - Please continue pressuring your governments, because the battle from inside seems like it's going to be a hard one :\

Thanks for standing up for what's right. Thanks for defending against the indefensible.

 

[ramuh]

I thought that map was Jordan's land after the British Mandate ended.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Yeah, I edited my post. Misunderstood what you were saying.

My post was in response to the guy who implied that Hamas broke the extended ceasefire.

Oh, yeah. It looks like wires were crossed on both our parts. You can't break something you didn't agree to.

 

[MacNille]

this fucking pic again! It is so full of bullshit and is so misleading.

 

[Ashes]

What does that have to do with anything?

I argue that the people cheering seem like outliers, the most radical, and we should maybe take that in consideration before saying "Oh look at those bloodthirsty israelis!".

Oops. Sorry. Let's start this conversation again. Do you think Israel has the right to mow the lawn every few years?

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

People like to see fireworks and bombs, news at 11.
That shit has been taken way out of context.

I can post pictures of Palestinians standing on rooftops in the West Bank when they see Iron Dome interceptions over Israel, so?
Doesn't mean shit, some people like watching explosions.

You're disgusting.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Yesterday 6000 people gathered in Rabin Square in Tel Aviv to protest against the war. Afterwards, several rightists followed some of us home and I know of at least one guy that's in a hospital. Friends abroad - Please continue pressuring your governments, because the battle from inside seems like it's going to be a hard one :\

That's just the start, eventually it will be who is a liberal and who isn't, on every issue. It always goes exactly the same: anyone who is for equal rights, against racism, etc., will be bundled up as a group that are against the state's interest. They are called communists, internationalist Jews, Freemasons, illuminati puppets, doesn't matter, anyone on the left will be seen as enemies; fascism is a oneway road. It always goes through the same phases. First there is a conflict that divides the population, then progressives are attacked for getting in the way, and to do that you have to bundle them up.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Also, am i reading that there were 2 child militant deaths? Are those under 18 counted as being children. I'd have the imagine they were in there late teens.

The number is used to highlight the disproportionate number of civilian children deaths vs children recruited illegally into Hamas' military forces. The IDF is shelling schools and you want to split hairs between what is considered a dead civilian, a dead militant and a dead child.

 

[Ashes]

The number is used to highlight the disproportionate number of civilian children deaths vs children recruited illegally into Hamas' military forces. The IDF is shelling schools and you want to split hairs between what is considered a dead civilian, a dead militant and a dead child.

The idea is to argue what you can I suppose.

 

[Toxi]

The Turkish army is busy occupying North Cyprus and keeping the Kurds under control. The Pakistani army is at this very moment conducting a campaign in North Waziristan that 700,000 people fled from and would produce very similar images to the ones from Gaza if any journalists were there. The Iranian army is busy in Syria and Iraq while the Egyptian Army is busy with an insurgency in the Sinai, a lawless border with Libya, threatening to bomb Ethiopia over their use of Nile water and killing the Muslim Brotherhood if they try anything.

Are you seriously using whataboutisms? Go start a thread about those if you see them as such a problem.

Yeah, I never believed in a zionist conspiracy, but I am starting to think about now. The amount of blindness the US have right now, isn't normal.

It's not a conspiracy. The issue is that a lot of protestant Christians (Large population in the US) see Israel as untouchable due to their religion, and a lot of Americans from an early age are taught to see the conflict as some inevitable conflict between equal sides where nothing can be done (So support Israel!). That was how I learned about the conflict in school; instead of looking at what was happening at the time, we'd learn about the history of Israel and then have "debates" based on that.

I can't speak for Jewish Americans, but the issue with Israel extends to Americans in general.

 

[RpgN]

I don't think the majority should be judged on a minority.

But those are my values, and it also applies to generalizations about Palestine.

That might be the case, but these examples seem to happen more often than they should. I believe not everyone is like that, but they seem to be the minority when A) The army kills innocents B) shoot injured people, hospitals, schools C) some civilians watch ''fireworks'' D) some civilians attack journalists and accuse them E) Some people leaving disgusting comments on facebook F) Some interviews with important people from Israel saying disgusting things that is considered discriminating G) the way people are treated in the West Bank H) the settlements that don't seem to end.

I'm sure I'm missing more examples.

 

[Kurdel]

Oops. Sorry. Let's start this conversation again. Do you think Israel has the right to mow the lawn every few years?

You clearly have no interest in what I have to say because you don't address what I post, why keep quoting me?

 

[Ashes]

You clearly have no interest in what I have to say because you don't address what I post, why keep quoting me?

I dunno. I Can't think or reason well. I like to point out and attack general statements nobody even brought up.

 

[Kurdel]

That might be the case, but these examples seem to happen more often than they should. I believe not everyone is like that, but they seem to be the minority when A) The army kills innocents B) shoot injured people, hospitals, schools C) some civilians watch ''fireworks'' D) some civilians attack journalists and accuse them E) Some people leaving disgusting comments on facebook F) Some interviews with important people from Israel saying disgusting things that is considered discriminating G) the way people are treated in the West Bank H) the settlements that don't seem to end.

I'm sure I'm missing more examples.

I am sure we would get stories like this out of Palestine if they had freedom of the press.

Edit: what I mean is there seems to be more stories from one side than the other, and the limited freedoms in Palestine are a reason.

 

[RpgN]

I am sure we would get stories like this out of Palestine if they had freedom of the press.

Your comment sounds very familiar.

 

[Jotaka]

Are you seriously using whataboutisms? Go start a thread about those if you see them as such a problem.


It's not a conspiracy. The issue is that a lot of protestant Christians (Large population in the US) see Israel as untouchable due to their religion, and a lot of Americans from an early age are taught to see the conflict as some inevitable conflict between equal sides where nothing can be done (So support Israel!). That was how I learned about the conflict in school; instead of looking at what was happening at the time, we'd learn about the history of Israel and then have "debates" based on that.

I can't speak for Jewish Americans, but the issue with Israel extends to Americans in general.

Dont forget the story about the jews must be there to Apocalipse and that shit about Heaven on Earth.

 

[gutter_trash]

"I'm a little bit fascist"

she should put that on her online dating profile....

the irony

 

[Dopus]

I am sure we would get stories like this out of Palestine if they had freedom of the press.

Edit: what I mean is there seems to be more stories from one side than the other, and the limited freedoms in Palestine are a reason.

You're saying the reason there is so much negative press about Israel is the result of Palestinians having no free press and not the result of policies Israel has introduced including the settlement plan and general treatment of the Palestinians?

 

[Kurdel]

Your comment sounds very familiar.

I hope my edit clarified my position.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

The current death number stands on 1046 according to the Washington Post. That 400 Civilians and 100 militants would be quite a feat for the IDF, sadly it's even worse than that.

Of course they did not, if i remember correctly someone said it's about the tunnels now anyway.

Well children are small so you need lots of them taped around you for a proper shield.

Looking and whats happening how do you actually communicate to a Palestinian to not vote for Hamas, or even to not join Hamas?

Israel is an enabler. Drive everyone mad, make Hamas a viable option, then proceed to kill because Hamas.

Too bad the people in that hellhole are out of options. Either die from a rocket or get fucked like in the West Bank. There is no option c.

 

[Kurdel]

You're saying the reason there is so much negative press about Israel is the result of Palestinians having no free press and not the result of policies Israel has introduced including the settlement plan and general treatment of the Palestinians?

No, I am saying that on an uneven playing field, it's only normal more stories will come out of how fucked up Israel is.

Although we do have some insight of how messed up things can get in Palestine, even without Israeli intervention.

 

[speculawyer]

Remember what she said about the people of Gaza deserving what they get because THEY chose Hamas? THEY voted for that government? It cuts both ways. Israelis chose hawks. And that's why it's a total shitshow.

I don't think the majority should be judged on a minority.

But those are my values, and it also applies to generalizations about Palestine.

And you completely missed his point.