2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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Ake said:
The Hasbara Manual. Extensive document for all the talking points Israel uses. An article about the manual. And the manual itself.

I recommend to at least read the linked article.
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How about the right of return for Palestinian refugees who were expelled or fled in 1948 and in the following years, and who are not allowed to go back to their homes? Here Dr Luntz has subtle advice for spokesmen, saying that "the right of return is a tough issue for Israelis to communicate effectively because much of Israeli language sounds like the 'separate but equal' words of the 1950s segregationists and the 1980s advocates of Apartheid. The fact is, Americans don't like, don't believe and don't accept the concept of 'separate but equal'."

So how should spokesmen deal with what the booklet admits is a tough question? They should call it a "demand", on the grounds that Americans don't like people who make demands. "Then say 'Palestinians aren't content with their own state. Now they're demanding territory inside Israel'." Other suggestions for an effective Israeli response include saying that the right of return might become part of a final settlement "at some point in the future".

Dr Luntz notes that Americans as a whole are fearful of mass immigration into the US, so mention of "mass Palestinian immigration" into Israel will not go down well with them. If nothing else works, say that the return of Palestinians would "derail the effort to achieve peace".
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Wow...
 
Much of Dr Luntz's advice is about the tone and presentation of the Israeli case. He says it is absolutely crucial to exude empathy for Palestinians: "Persuadables [sic] won't care how much you know until they know how much you care. Show Empathy for BOTH sides!" This may explain why a number of Israeli spokesman are almost lachrymose about the plight of Palestinians being pounded by Israeli bombs and shells.

In a sentence in bold type, underlined and with capitalisation, Dr Luntz says that Israeli spokesmen or political leaders must never, ever justify "the deliberate slaughter of innocent women and children" and they must aggressively challenge those who accuse Israel of such a crime. Israeli spokesmen struggled to be true to this prescription when 16 Palestinians were killed in a UN shelter in Gaza last Thursday.

There is a list of words and phrases to be used and a list of those to be avoided. Schmaltz is at a premium: "The best way, the only way, to achieve lasting peace is to achieve mutual respect." Above all, Israel's desire for peace with the Palestinians should be emphasised at all times because this what Americans overwhelmingly want to happen. But any pressure on Israel to actually make peace can be reduced by saying "one step at a time, one day at a time", which will be accepted as "a commonsense approach to the land-for-peace equation".
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This seems very familiar.
 
MisterFalcon said:
The Turkish army is busy occupying North Cyprus and keeping the Kurds under control. The Pakistani army is at this very moment conducting a campaign in North Waziristan that 700,000 people fled from and would produce very similar images to the ones from Gaza if any journalists were there. The Iranian army is busy in Syria and Iraq while the Egyptian Army is busy with an insurgency in the Sinai, a lawless border with Libya, threatening to bomb Ethiopia over their use of Nile water and killing the Muslim Brotherhood if they try anything.
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I think what makes this conflict unique is how it manages to polarise opinion to the extremes; biases are out in the open, hypocrisy is the norm and a sense people from all over the world have a stake in it.
 
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Ake said:
The Hasbara Manual. Extensive document for all the talking points Israel uses. An article about the manual. And the manual itself.

I recommend to at least read the linked article.
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The glossary of phrases to use is quite revealing.

  • “The RIGHT to”: This is a stronger phrase than “deserves.” Use the phrase frequently, including: the rights that both Israelis and Arabs enjoy in Israel, the right to peace that Israelis and Palestinians are entitled to, and Israel’s right to defend its civilians against rocket attacks.
  • “Deliberately firing rockets into civilian communities”: Combine terrorist motive with civilian visuals and you have the perfect illustration of what Israel faced in Gaza and Lebanon. Especially with regard to rocket attacks but useful for any kind of terrorist attack, deliberate is the right word to use to call out the intent behind the attacks. This is far more powerful than describing the attacks as “random.”

    [*]“Equal rights”: Emphasize that Jewish Israelis and Arab Israelis enjoy equal rights and equal protections under the law in Israel. But don’t stop there: “The tragedy is that Palestinians have far less rights under their government than Israeli Arabs have under ours.”
  • Human to Human: Appealing directly to the Palestinian people on behalf of the Israeli people takes the issue out of the political realm and humanizes it. “We know that the average Palestinian and the average Israeli want to come together and make peace. They want to live in peace. Israeli leaders have come together with Arab leaders to make peace in the past. But how do you make peace with Hamas and Hezbollah?”
  • Humanize Rockets: Paint a vivid picture of what life is like in Israeli communities that are vulnerable to attack. Yes, cite the number of rocket attacks that have occurred. But immediately follow that up with what it is like to make the nightly trek to the bomb shelter.
  • “If… If… If…Then.”: Put the burden on Hamas to make the first move for peace by using If’s (and don’t forget to finish with a hard then to show Israel is a willing peace partner). “If Hamas reforms… If Hamas recognize our right to exist… If Hamas renounces terrorism… If Hamas supports international peace agreements… then we are willing to make peace today.”
  • “One step at a time, one day at a time”: It is essential to lower expectations and reduce the pressure on Israel to rush into an agreement that is either not in its interests or jeopardizes its security. The “one step at a time” language will be accepted as a common sense approach to the land-for-peace equation.
  • “Peace before political boundaries”: This is the best phrase for talking about why a two-state solution isn’t realistic right now. First the rockets and the war need to stop. Then both peoples can talk about political boundaries.
  • SECTION 1: TALKING ABOUT PALESTINIAN SELF-GOVERNMENT
  • We asked American opinion elites a simple question: “Do you strongly support, somewhat support, somewhat oppose, or strongly oppose a two-state solution in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians, where both have independent nations?” (Luntz National Survey, January 2009)
  • We received a very clear answer: Fully and exactly 50% of Americans strongly support a two-state solution. Combine this with the 28.2% who somewhat support it and you have the formula for a landslide in support of giving the Palestinians their own land and their own government. Again…
  • Over 78% of Americans support a two-state solution. So when you’re talking to Americans, you need to know that when you don’t support a two-state solution you risk having a major public relations challenge in America and Europe. The new Israeli government knows this but feel so strongly about security concerns that they are willing to take this risk for the long-term security of their people. They feel (and were elected by voters who agree) that Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza has made Israel LESS and not MORE safe. Thus, at least for now, the new Israeli leaders have not articulated support for a two-state solution outside of the context of supporting the Road Map for peace which gives a step-by-step performance based plan for reaching a two state solution. That said, it is important to note that there are effective ways to uphold the ultimate goal of a Palestinian self-government while legitimately questioning how soon the solution can be reached. This is the rhetorical area in which you need to operate.
  • (1) Identify the goal, and be authentic. Given the overwhelming American support for a two-state solution, it will make support much easier and faster if you if set the tone for all discussions by articulating Israel’s shared vision for the ultimate goal of two peoples, living side by side in a lasting and secure peace. In the name of gaining credibility for why you might later say that a two-state solution isn’t achievable overnight, you should start with language like the following to signal how your goals align with the public’s.
  • WORDS THAT WORK:
  • Two homelands for two peoples living side-by-side in peace and security is not a fake slogan, but a real necessity for the stability in the entire region. Each homeland should provide a solution to the national aspiration of its people – Israel, as a homeland for the Jewish people, and the creation of a Palestinian homeland, as a fulfillment of their national desire.
  • Saying “is not a fake slogan, but a real necessity” sets the tone for the entire paragraph. It conveys authenticity and will keep the listener tuned in to what else you have to say. This is a perfect example of Language Rule #19 in Chapter 1. Start off with a strong, positive message. And particularly now that a “two-state solution” has been bandied about for years, people want to hear that you support Palestinian rights.
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Currently I'm still reading this thread at page 43.

Thank you to the people who have been very active and educating others on this whole conflict. It's also very sad at the same time, because this only makes me more angry and want something to happen to help Palestinian civilians in their struggle. This is not happening, it's only getting worse...
 
MisterFalcon said:
The Turkish army is busy occupying North Cyprus.
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Do one. If the Turkish army didn't intervene in the ethnic cleansing of my people my father would have been shot dead by playing football like his 8 year-old friends. My mother and her village would have taken the final blow to finish off all the Turks of Erenkoy whilst they slept and starved in the City of Tents after having their homes destroyed.

Too busy keeping the peace, is what you meant.
 
MisterFalcon said:
The Turkish army is busy occupying North Cyprus and keeping the Kurds under control. The Pakistani army is at this very moment conducting a campaign in North Waziristan that 700,000 people fled from and would produce very similar images to the ones from Gaza if any journalists were there. The Iranian army is busy in Syria and Iraq while the Egyptian Army is busy with an insurgency in the Sinai, a lawless border with Libya, threatening to bomb Ethiopia over their use of Nile water and killing the Muslim Brotherhood if they try anything.
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Which one of these boasts to be, and is labeled as, 'the democracy' of the middle-east and the best ally to the West?
 
Facism said:
Do one. If the Turkish army didn't intervene in the ethnic cleansing of my people my father would have been shot dead by playing football like his 8 year-old friends. My mother and her village would have taken the final blow to finish off all the Turks of Erenkoy whilst they slept and starved in the City of Tents after having their homes destroyed.

Too busy keeping the peace, is what you meant.
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That's one way of looking at it. I wonder what the Turkish response would be to rocket fire across the buffer zone from the Greeks who were expelled.
 
There is no two state solution, I don't think the Israeli's even want one. This just going to continue until there is no Gaza and West Bank and the state of Israel stretches from the Mediterranean Sea to Jordan.

And no one will give a fuck.
 
badb0y said:
There is no two state solution, I don't think the Israeli's even want one. This just going to continue until there is no Gaza and West Bank and the state of Israel stretches from the Mediterranean Sea to Jordan.

And no one will give a fuck.
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Pretty much, and this may be a bit of a stretch but I think it all comes down to the American People. If they rose up against all the propaganda, fought through the media and the government's suppression techniques, and challenges the US's "interests" (funding) in Israel, then pressure would hopefully be applied indirectly onto Netanyahu and his lackeys to resort to more of a compromise instead of their carte blanche.

But as long as we have our annual COD and Game of Thrones, who gives a fuck, right?
 
I read a comment on an article just now that summed up Israel's pathetic excuses (but not the victim blaming ones) in recent events:
Israel and Israel-Firsters’
PR methods:

1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it

2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb

3. Ok we killed them, but they were terrorists

4. Ok they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields

5. Ok there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill
civilians by accident, they do it on purpose

6. Ok we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other
countries are!

7. Why are you still talking about Israel ? Are you some kind of
anti-semite?

8. Repeat from step 1 (Test this against the next interview you hear or
watch.)"
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Spineless.
 
Skyzard said:
I read a comment on an article just now that summed up Israel's pathetic excuses (but not the victim blaming ones) in recent events:

Israel and Israel-Firsters’
PR methods:

1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it

2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb

3. Ok we killed them, but they were terrorists

4. Ok they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields

5. Ok there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill
civilians by accident, they do it on purpose

6. Ok we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other
countries are!

7. Why are you still talking about Israel ? Are you some kind of
anti-semite?

8. Repeat from step 1 (Test this against the next interview you hear or
watch.)"

Spineless.
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I know I shouldn't, but those made me laugh. Feel like Jon Stewart should have covered them. Or would make for a funny satire video.
 
Did Palestinians or Israelis more frequently violate the 2012 Gaza ceasefire agreement? Infographic. pic.twitter.com/99q9W3jKjK

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So pro-Israel what do u think of the pic?
 
zeroOman said:
Did Palestinians or Israelis more frequently violate the 2012 Gaza ceasefire agreement? Infographic. pic.twitter.com/99q9W3jKjK

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So pro-Israel what do u think of the pic?
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Well, Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas.

Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas. Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas.

So in short, Hamas, Palestinian and terrorists.
 
zeroOman said:
Did Palestinians or Israelis more frequently violate the 2012 Gaza ceasefire agreement? Infographic. pic.twitter.com/99q9W3jKjK

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So pro-Israel what do u think of the pic?
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The trend I notice in this thread is whenever someone asks pro-Israel their thoughts on something, it's deflected using one of the methods posted above. Bringing up another country for example. Then the argument turns to whether or not that comparison is valid and semantics. And thus, the original question goes unanswered.
 
DXB-KNIGHT said:
LOL oh Israel this is just pathetic
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You've got to be shitting me. Isn't that the same shit Breivik says?
 
Chariot said:
Yeah, I never believed in a zionist conspiracy, but I am starting to think about now. The amount of blindness the US have right now, isn't normal.
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Wth social media the views will balance out in years to come if there is no solution. The output of views cannot hide behind the corporate media anymore with agendas
 
Chariot said:
Yeah, I never believed in a zionist conspiracy, but I am starting to think about now. The amount of blindness the US have right now, isn't normal.
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I don't know about a Zionist conspiracy, but it's fact that AIPAC holds tremendous clout in US politics.

Support for Israel is mentioned in every SOTU address, every inauguration speech. On the campaign trail candidates will never question Israel and will vow their unwavering support. The do no wrong rhetoric is just insane. Kerry recently got in trouble for suggesting that Israel was becoming an apartheid state and he had to apologize for his comments.
 
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