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[Yaboosh]

Dude, you are purposefully being obtuse. Seductively saying hi to me as I'm walking down the street minding my own business is not okay. How many times do I have to repeat this? It's not okay. All you're doing is making me feel uncomfortable and you're acting creepy.

Er, no. It can be harassment if the man only says one thing to you, like saying, "Hot damn you're beautiful!"

The biggest thing wrong with this post is that you're assuming you knew what she was thinking.

I don't care. That's not an excuse to harass women on the streets.

Can you clarify what you mean by seductively saying hi?

 

[RELIGHT]

"I like to dress provocatively, that doesn't give men the right to notice."

Fuck outta here humie.

 

[The Librarian]

Can you clarify what you mean by seductively saying hi?

It's not my meaning, it's wildfire's.

"I like to dress provocatively, that doesn't give men the right to notice."

Fuck outta here humie.

It doesn't give you the right to catcall or harass her.

 

[entremet]

I've NEVER understood why people even bother wasting the energy on this. I can't imagine why a woman would be like "That total stranger says he wants to lick my boobs. Why what a capital idea!"

I have had this happen to be a few times from both men and women, both times I was more like "Really? Me? Come on."

It's about dominance. It's not about getting a date.

It rarely happens when the woman is the company of another male. It's almost as looking as women as property or subhuman who don't deserve courtesy or respect.

 

[wildfire]

Dude, you are purposefully being obtuse. Seductively saying hi to me as I'm walking down the street minding my own business is not okay. How many times do I have to repeat this? It's not okay. All you're doing is making me feel uncomfortable and you're acting creepy.

Well I don't say hello to random women to begin with. I see it as a problem when sexually suggestive behavior is deemed as negative trait in general.

Very few people like to hear someone talking to them in a snobby, dismissive or angry tone.

Most people are receptive to happy, joking, or serious tones.

You may see sexual tones as something as bad as snobbery or anger but I don't.

Can you clarify what you mean by seductively saying hi?

It's an inflection in your voice to suggest you are attracted to the person you are talking to. I would be shocked if anyone would suggest just saying hello in a neutral or jovial manner should be seen as harassment.

 

[MaschinenZimmer]

I have picked up girls just walking down the street. I'm also far from good looking. You will get turned down a lot, but some women are just out shopping or something and so they don't mind a little conversation. I don't throw complements at them about their looks or things like that though.

Dude, what's wrong with your tag?

 

[JDSN]

Since you are using sarcasm, if women do it their intentions are purer than men? If they do it they aren't already harassing?

I agree on the last point that cat calling could beget sexual assault and have said as much. I do take issue though with the assertion cat calling is what leads to it. Men can and do already rape without ever needing to catcall in their life.

The intent on women are most likely the same as the men that say some shit like "Dayummm girl, where your OBYN so I can lick his fingers!!", women are gross as shit too, but equating both situations in a society where women are considerably more likely to get raped/harrased by strangers of the opposite sex and then sarcastically pointing out that this is the product of the equality that women nagged for is fucking vile, and the person that made that comment is a victim-blaming coward.

Well I don't say hello to random women to begin with. I see it as a problem when sexually suggestive behavior is deemed as negative trait in general.

Very few people like to hear someone talking to them in a snobby, dismissive or angry tone.

Most people are receptive to happy, joking, or serious tones.

You may see sexual tones as something as bad as snobbery or anger but I don't.



It's an inflection in your voice to suggest you are attracted to the person you are talking to. I would be shocked if anyone would suggest just saying hello in a neutral or jovial manner should be seen as harassment.

You are getting in the way of people getting stuff done, I know it seems absolutist but 98% of the times its gonna be that way, just because you might pick up a girl/guy or two doesnt mean you have to bother 98 of them.

 

[Infinite]

Had dudes catcall my girlfriend with me being there. These guys say some wild shit. It's not ok

 

[The Librarian]

Well I don't say hello to random women to begin with. I see it as a problem when sexually suggestive behavior is deemed as negative trait in general.

Very few people like to hear someone talking to them in a snobby, dismissive or angry tone.

Most people are receptive to happy, joking, or serious tones.

You may see sexual tones as something as bad as snobbery or anger but I don't.

So seductively saying hi to me, or what have you, while I'm walking down the street is okay to you?

 

[Yrael]

I'm being uncomfortably reminded of this right now (a serial street harasser who made it his aim to try and "seduce" as many random women on the streets of London as possible, filming every encounter).

 

[Bleepey]

Dude, you are purposefully being obtuse. Seductively saying hi to me as I'm walking down the street minding my own business is not okay. How many times do I have to repeat this? It's not okay. All you're doing is making me feel uncomfortable and you're acting creepy.

Er, no. It can be harassment if the man only says one thing to you, like saying, "Hot damn you're beautiful!"

The biggest thing wrong with this post is that you're assuming you knew what she was thinking.

I don't care. That's not an excuse to harass women on the streets.

By that definition if you ask someone for the time or directions you've harassed someone.

 

[waypoetic]

I'm sorry, but some folks in here need to look up the word "harassment".

Harassment (/həˈræsmənt/ or /ˈhærəsmənt/) covers a wide range of behaviours of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive.

 

[The Librarian]

By that definition if you ask someone for the time or directions you've harassed someone.

I think you're being purposefully disingenuous. What definition?

 

[MrCunningham]

Im gonna look, I cant stop that.

But Im not gonna act like a fool while doing it.

It's unavoidable human nature to not take a quick glance. But I agree, you don't have to act like a complete ass and draw attention to yourself while it happens. use a little restraint and show some courtesy.

 

[Bleepey]

I think you're being purposefully disingenuous. What definition?

Saying hi to someone or talking to someone on the street.

 

[charsace]

Dude, what's wrong with your tag?

Nothing is wrong with it. Was tagged for being naive in a situation that I shouldn't have been naive in.

 

[The Librarian]

Saying hi to someone or talking to someone on the street.

I have never said that was harassment.

 

[weemadarthur]

. If a set of huge knockers in a tini tiny tank top comes right at me I will glance at it

And of course the video showing only creepy old guys stareing and catcalling, though I bet when a Brad Pitt-like looking guy says "MMhh cute" or anything way more explicit than even in the video, most girls will brush a strain of their hair to the side and smile/giggle and won't be bothered by it, or immediately interact.

I can't even believe you posted this bit. You have just dehumanised a person due to her having secondary sexual characteristics that she cannot even control. You don't say "a chick with large breasts", no, you just see breasts. This is some Salvador Dali level of bullshit.

Oh, I'm supposed to get some fucking empathy, but should be ok with it and not be offended by it that in your mind, because I'm 6"5 and around 30yo I'm basically upgraded from potential rapist status, to rapist status as soon as I say "Hi".

How is this so hard to understand, that some men, don't like to hear that shit and are immensely offended by it?

You're using the #notallmen defense in all seriousness? The whole point of these psa's is to show how women feel about public harassment, and that it is frightening. No woman can read your mind so she needs to have the highest level of awareness when you're present. No, you don't need to say hi for this to be true. You just exist. She just exists.

 

[charsace]

I have never said that was harassment.

It could probably be construed as harassment from someone like me who isn't good looking. I had a girlfriend who used to affectionately call me her "Silent Villain," and "Creepy Protector."

 

[The Librarian]

It could probably be construed as harassment from someone like me who isn't good looking. I had a girlfriend who used to affectionately call me her "Silent Villain," and "Creepy Protector."

I don't see how you innocently saying hi to a woman can be construed as harassment. It doesn't matter to me, nor do I think to any woman, how handsome the man in question is.

 

[Eidan]

Practically every woman I know has told me stories like this. Hell, I see it often. I don't know how a person can be comfortable enough to call out a stranger on the street because they think they're hot.

 

[clearacell]

I think I have had the conversation numerous times with my girlfriend about the "didn't you see that guy looking at you? His neck practically did a 180!" And she says she had no idea. I think when it goes beyond that and they actually notice what a guy is doing is when it goes too far. Looking you can't help at all, shit girls look all the time too...cat calls and whistles are unwanted and if you know someone that does that shit call them out on it.

 

[wildfire]

The intent on women are most likely the same as the men that say some shit like "Dayummm girl, where your OBYN so I can lick his fingers!!", women are gross as shit too, but equating both situations in a society where women are considerably more likely to get raped/harrased by strangers of the opposite sex and then sarcastically pointing out that this is the product of the equality that women nagged for is fucking vile, and the person that made that comment is a victim-blaming coward.

Ok I get where you are coming from with this. I don't think he was being sarcastic but that's beside the point.

Regardless of how comfortable men on average feel with themselves they need to appreciate that women will view them as a threat even if the words they use don't constitute as a threat.

If we want to women to view us as less of a threat we have to take seriously the even bigger problem that women experience more sexual violence then men.

You are getting in the way of people getting stuff done, I know it seems absolutist but 98% of the times its gonna be that way, just because you might pick up a girl/guy or two doesnt mean you have to bother 98 of them.

Well I agree with the idea that holding people's attention can be offputting and doing so just for the explicit purpose of trying to form a relationship or have sex with them is selfish.

I just don't like the people who demonize sexual behavior. If someone says hello to you in a seductive way you don't have to engage them but people expressing their emotions shouldn't have to be viewed as offensive. We aren't robots.

Saying hi to someone or talking to someone on the street.

That's why I added the adjective seductive. I assumed she wasn't doing that because that would be an unreasonable position for anyone to take. If you think seductive behavior isn't a negative trait though then frame the discussion with that instead of nonrelated behavior.

 

[MaschinenZimmer]

I just don't like the people who demonize sexual behavior. If someone says hello to you in a seductive way you don't have to engage them but people expressing their emotions shouldn't have to be viewed as offensive. We aren't robots.

It doesn't matter what you like or not. Except to be seen as potential rapist even if you dare to look at a women in the club. Soon you are only allowed to come near a women if you are already an accepted part of her inner friendship circle. I'm not exaggerating. This is what Freud already wrote in 1930 in "Civilization and Its Discontents". It's just how our society works. The more we evolve in our culture, the more our animal side will be damned. From the wiki:

The third section of the book addresses a fundamental paradox of civilization: it is a tool we have created to protect ourselves from unhappiness, and yet it is our largest source of unhappiness. People become neurotic because they cannot tolerate the frustration which society imposes in the service of its cultural ideals. Freud points out that the contemporary technological advances of science have been, at best, a mixed blessing for human happiness. He asks what society is for if not to satisfy the pleasure principle, but concedes that civilization has to make compromises of happiness in order to fulfill its primary goal of bringing people into peaceful relationship with each other, which it does by making them subject to a higher, communal authority. Civilization is built out of wish-fulfillments of the human ideals of control, beauty, hygiene, order, and especially for the exercise of humanity's highest intellectual functions. Freud draws a key analogy between the development of civilization and the libidinal development of the individual, which allows Freud to speak of civilization in his own terms: there is anal eroticism that develops into a need for order and cleanliness, a sublimation of instincts into useful actions, alongside a more repressive renunciation of instinct. This final point Freud sees as the most important character of civilization, and if it’s not compensated for, then “one can be certain that serious disorders will ensue."The structure of civilization serves to circumvent the natural processes and feelings of Human development and eroticism. It is no wonder then, that this repression could cause a sentiment of discontent among civilians.

I know people look down on Freud these days, but some of his writings are hitting the nail on the head. I recommend everyone here to read that book, it's short and a hell of a trip.

 

[HuskerDutheDu]

Seriously, it's crazy to react to women saying "this is how it makes me feel" with arguments. They're straight up telling their personal experiences and feelings; why try to discredit that? Why not like listen and modify your behavior?

 

[Two Words]

Over the past 6 weeks or so, I have been making a change. I'll admit I was the kind of guy that would always try to get a glimpse of some exposed cleavage or a nice ass in tight jeans. But a few weeks ago I got tired of that being an impulse I had. I've been doing my best to ignore that urge and I believe I've made some decent progress. It feels nice to be around an attractive woman wearing revealing/tight clothing and to not have a part of my brain screaming "LOOK AT HER BODY!" I don't really think it's an awful thing to look at a woman's body (in a non creeper way ofcourse), but I believe I am happier killing off that urge. I'd recommend guys to give it a shot and see how it goes.

 

[MaschinenZimmer]

I don't really think it's an awful thing to look at a woman's body (in a non creeper way ofcourse), but I believe I am happier killing off that urge. I'd recommend guys to give it a shot and see how it goes.

I'm sure that suppressing your sexual desires will have zero effect on your mind in long terms.

 

[JDSN]

I'm sure that suppressing your sexual desires will have zero effect on your mind in long terms.

Thats not how the "mind" works, its actually the opposite, people do not overheat because they made the conscious choice not to leer at some ass on the street.

 

[The Librarian]

It doesn't matter what you like or not. Except to be seen as potential rapist even if you dare to look at a women in the club. Soon you are only allowed to come near a women if you are already an accepted part of her inner friendship circle. I'm not exaggerating. This is what Freud already wrote in 1930 in "Civilization and Its Discontents". It's just how our society works. The more we evolve in our culture, the more our animal side will be damned. From the wiki:



I know people look down on Freud these days, but some of his writings are hitting the nail on the head. I recommend everyone here to read that book, it's short and a hell of a trip.

*rolls eyes*

Nobody's demonizing sexuality here. Only behavior.

 

[Two Words]

I'm sure that suppressing your sexual desires will have zero effect on your mind in long terms.

I don't see how I am suppressing my sexual desires. I still date and am sexually active. I still masturbate. I just don't want to positively re-enforce a habit of ogling strangers.

 

[RELIGHT]

It's not my meaning, it's wildfire's.


It doesn't give you the right to catcall or harass her.

Not what I said. They filmed two guys that simply looked at her as she walked by. That's not harassment.

 

[Two Words]

Not what I said. They filmed two guys that simply looked at her as she walked by. That's not harassment.

That is your primary take-away from the video? Pointing out a small distinction like that?

 

[The Librarian]

Seriously, it's crazy to react to women saying "this is how it makes me feel" with arguments. They're straight up telling their personal experiences and feelings; why try to discredit that? Why not like listen and modify your behavior?

Because the former is easier to do than the latter.

Not what I said. They filmed two guys that simply looked at her as she walked by. That's not harassment.

Staring for long periods of time, or seeing so many people stare, can be just as creepy and uncomfortable as saying something.

I went out in New Orleans in a short skirt and I was getting some really creepy stares from older men. It was really off-putting.

 

[gugi40]

Seriously, it's crazy to react to women saying "this is how it makes me feel" with arguments. They're straight up telling their personal experiences and feelings; why try to discredit that? Why not like listen and modify your behavior?

Becuz we want to say sexually charged things at them and not have to care about how it makes them feel becuz we are human damnit! And humanz naturally harass people!

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Some people in this thread is going in circles.

The point of the video is to reveal what a large vast majority of women experience on a regular basis.
And nowhere did I see anyone saying that a simple non sexual hello is harassment so get that shit out of here.

Saying hello in a normal way is fine, being polite and starting a conversation to someone who is open to one is fine.

Going into a conversation with your sexuality face first IS creepy because that shows that you are aroused by this woman and maybe just MAYBE that woman does not want to talk to someone she didn't even try to arouse. Women are not obligated to continue a conversation when they feel uncomfortable, and you should all respect that.

And as for all those gym stories....I am sure you really were concerned with their form and did not want an injury to occur, that is very thoughtful, but to them it probably came off as "ok this guy has been watching me workout" which is not something many people, man or woman, feel comfortable with. Maybe you should have gone and told a trainer to help them if you cared so much.

 

[MaschinenZimmer]

Thats not how the "mind" works, its actually the opposite, people do not overheat because they made the conscious choice not to leer at some ass on the street.

Wut? You sound like one those nofap astronauts from reddit who believe that by shutting down everything that is even remotely sexual they can be better humans. If you are constantly fighting your urges, that means you don't get enough sex to satisfy your urges. If you choose to ignore those urges you're training yourself like a dog and will be soon making a thread in the veins of: "GAF help, I can't get my dick hard anymore". You sexuality doesn't begin or end in your bedroom. What you are doing your whole day will have consequences. lol, overheating.

*rolls eyes*

Nobody's demonizing sexuality here. Only behavior.

Please tell me more about how a "Hi" is sexual harassment.

 

[Two Words]

Wut? You sound like one those nofap astronauts from reddit who believe that by shutting down everything that is even remotely sexual they can be better humans. If you are constantly fighting your urges, that means you don't get enough sex to satisfy your urges. If you choose to ignore those urges you're training yourself like a dog and will be soon making a thread in the veins of: "GAF help, I can't get my dick hard anymore". You sexuality doesn't begin or end in your bedroom. What you are doing your whole day will have consequences. lol, overheating.

.

This is so full of wrong. The idea that having urges to ogle women is a sign of not getting enough sex isn't true at all. You could be having sex every morning and night and it still wouldn't be weird to have the urge to ogle women. I simply choose not to feed a particular sexual desire. I'm not choosing to not feed all or most of my sexual desires. I choose this one because I believe it is a gross habit and can put people off and be bothersome to them.

 

[The Librarian]

Please tell me more about how a "Hi" is sexual harassment.

If it's presented in a sexual, seductive manner, yes, it is sexual harassment.

 

[RELIGHT]

Because the former is easier to do than the latter.


Staring for long periods of time, or seeing so many people stare, can be just as creepy and uncomfortable as saying something.

I went out in New Orleans in a short skirt and I was getting some really creepy stares from older men. It was really off-putting.

Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it harassment. Two way different things. I also got the impression that some of these women were over embellishing and/or straight up lying about their "experiences" based on their body language and eye movement.

Look I fully understand that sexual harassment exists. But at the same time it's important to understand the dynamics of men and women as well. Nothing excuses harassing anyone. But they make it seem like it's this huge issue that needs to be addressed when it's a bit more complex than that. Not having a cohesive definition is one of the first issues with harassment. I mean look at the example you just gave. People define it differently. You wre creeped out by stares from old men but what if it was a young attractive guy and you were attracted to him? I bet then it's ok for him to stare right? You probably wouldn't be creeped out but instead flattered.

It's all a matter of perspective. This video tries to blanket the issue but you can't. People are too diverse and too opinionated, their perspectives too broad.

 

[Septimius]

you can tell mostly by body language i think even if they don't out and out say it. not sure why women that enjoy this kind of stuff should be punished just because some are annoyed by it? it would be the exact same as saying you should take a popular tv show off the air just because a few people are offended -- i.e., censorship.

Do you know how close this comes to "You say 'no', but I see that your eyes say 'yes'"? And then that you're basically saying that whenever someone says that and proceeds to have sex with someone, it's OK, because some people like it, and saying we shouldn't do it would be censorship? Because that's how much sense this makes.

 

[wildfire]

Please tell me more about how a "Hi" is sexual harassment.

She wasn't saying just any form of greeting is harassment.

 

[The Librarian]

(1)Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it harassment. Two way different things. I also got the impression that some of these women were over embellishing and/or straight up lying about their "experiences" based on their body language and eye movement.

Look I fully understand that sexual harassment exists. But at the same time it's important to understand the dynamics of men and women as well. Nothing excuses harassing anyone. But they make it seem like it's this huge issue that needs to be addressed when it's a bit more complex than that. Not having a cohesive definition is one of the first issues with harassment. I mean look at the example you just gave. People define it differently. (2)You wre creeped out by stares from old men but what if it was a young attractive guy and you were attracted to him? I bet then it's ok for him to stare right? You probably wouldn't be creeped out but instead flattered.

It's all a matter of perspective. This video tries to blanket the issue but you can't. People are too diverse and too opinionated, their perspectives too broad.

(1) Definition of harassment

1.
to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually; pester; persecute.
2.
to trouble by repeated attacks, incursions, etc., as in war or hostilities; harry; raid.

Creepy stares by many men certain follow under that definition.

(2) Why, oh why are you making assumptions about my sexuality?

 

[JDSN]

Wut? You sound like one those nofap astronauts from reddit who believe that by shutting down everything that is even remotely sexual they can be better humans. If you are constantly fighting your urges, that means you don't get enough sex to satisfy your urges. If you choose to ignore those urges you're training yourself like a dog and will be soon making a thread in the veins of: "GAF help, I can't get my dick hard anymore". You sexuality doesn't begin or end in your bedroom. What you are doing your whole day will have consequences. lol, overheating.

Im actually a physician but im sure that after that regrettable rant you proved to you know a lot about how the mind works.

The dude is making a choice not to indulge a behavior that he, after learning more about it, considers abhorrent. He thinks himself capable of doing it without going insane while maintaining other aspects of his sexuality and remaining of productive member of society.

The fact that you think that some harm will come to him or others just because he wants to stop doing something that he probably wont miss that much says more about your psycosexual state than anything else, ironic since you made that post totally misinterpreting Freud.

 

[SapientWolf]

It doesn't matter what you like or not. Except to be seen as potential rapist even if you dare to look at a women in the club. Soon you are only allowed to come near a women if you are already an accepted part of her inner friendship circle. I'm not exaggerating. This is what Freud already wrote in 1930 in "Civilization and Its Discontents". It's just how our society works. The more we evolve in our culture, the more our animal side will be damned. From the wiki:



I know people look down on Freud these days, but some of his writings are hitting the nail on the head. I recommend everyone here to read that book, it's short and a hell of a trip.

I can't imagine a point in human history where everyone was allowed to do whatever they wanted to other people. People are social and live in groups, and compromise and consideration are what make that work.

 

[rocketknight]

Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it harassment. Two way different things. I also got the impression that some of these women were over embellishing and/or straight up lying about their "experiences" based on their body language and eye movement.

Look I fully understand that sexual harassment exists. But at the same time it's important to understand the dynamics of men and women as well. Nothing excuses harassing anyone. But they make it seem like it's this huge issue that needs to be addressed when it's a bit more complex than that. Not having a cohesive definition is one of the first issues with harassment. I mean look at the example you just gave. People define it differently. You wre creeped out by stares from old men but what if it was a young attractive guy and you were attracted to him? I bet then it's ok for him to stare right? You probably wouldn't be creeped out but instead flattered.

It's all a matter of perspective. This video tries to blanket the issue but you can't. People are too diverse and too opinionated, their perspectives too broad.

I don't remember how attractive the guy who masturbated at me on the train last week was. How am I supposed to figure out whether it was harassment or not? Pls hlp.

And then

I fully understand that sexual harassment exists. But at the same time it's important to understand the dynamics of men and women as well. Nothing excuses harassing anyone. But they make it seem like it's this huge issue that needs to be addressed when it's a bit more complex than that.

is basically: "There are tons of women telling me in this thread that this is a huge issue that needs to be addressed, but I'm a man and I don't think so, so it isn't."

 

[User 100115]

Oh, I'm supposed to get some fucking empathy, but should be ok with it and not be offended by it that in your mind, because I'm 6"5 and around 30yo I'm basically upgraded from potential rapist status, to rapist status as soon as I say "Hi".

How is this so hard to understand, that some men, don't like to hear that shit and are immensely offended by it?

I'm jumping in here because I'd like to emphasis something.

Your last sentence is hilarious considering you are advocating women 'taking the compliment' and telling them they shouldn't be bothered by street harassment. I can't show any leg at all without getting it in some places. Oh well, I guess I should never ever wear shorts. Lord forbid I wear a tight fitting or sleeveless top.

Also, we can't read minds. Considering all the shit most of us have had to deal with since birth, how I am supposed to automatically know that you, whom I've never met, isn't a creepy asshole when I've been harassed by creepy assholes of all creeds, shapes, and sizes?

 

[Two Words]

Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it harassment. Two way different things. I also got the impression that some of these women were over embellishing and/or straight up lying about their "experiences" based on their body language and eye movement.

Look I fully understand that sexual harassment exists. But at the same time it's important to understand the dynamics of men and women as well. Nothing excuses harassing anyone. But they make it seem like it's this huge issue that needs to be addressed when it's a bit more complex than that. Not having a cohesive definition is one of the first issues with harassment. I mean look at the example you just gave. People define it differently. You wre creeped out by stares from old men but what if it was a young attractive guy and you were attracted to him? I bet then it's ok for him to stare right? You probably wouldn't be creeped out but instead flattered.

It's all a matter of perspective. This video tries to blanket the issue but you can't. People are too diverse and too opinionated, their perspectives too broad.

Why are you choosing to battle these strawmen? Are there women that may be too sensitive to claiming a fairly innocuous gesture is sexual harassment? Sure. Are there women that would claim a particular act by an unpleasant man is sexual harassment, but nice from somebody they find attractive? Sure. But who cares? That's not what is being discussed. It's really awkward to see you put so much effort emphasizing these much smaller aspects as if they represent what is really going on. This video is about women being genuinely sexually harassed by catcalls and groping. Why are you even bothering to talk about incidents that may seem to not really being sexual harassment? Nobody is saying any kind of contact with a woman is sexual harassment. It just comes off as an attempt to diverge from the real issue.

 

[Devolution]

Seriously, it's crazy to react to women saying "this is how it makes me feel" with arguments. They're straight up telling their personal experiences and feelings; why try to discredit that? Why not like listen and modify your behavior?

Why have empathy when you can devil's advocate the hell out of people telling you it frightens them.

There's a street I could walk down that's closer to my home that I avoid because of shit like this. It's pretty annoying to see people handwaving the issue.

 

[besada]

I've been reading this thread on my iPad, which makes banning people difficult. I just want to let you guys know that I'm about to head into the next room to my desktop because of how obnoxious some of these posts are. Which guys? You're about to find out.

 

[Septimius]

Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't make it harassment. Two way different things. I also got the impression that some of these women were over embellishing and/or straight up lying about their "experiences" based on their body language and eye movement.

I'd continue reading, but you've turned me completely off the thought with two very unflattering statements. Something that makes you uncomfortable most certainly can be harassment. But worst is probably that you're trying to invalidate the entire argument by saying they're lying. I have no idea how this is something you'd believe, something you'd say, or something you'd find relevant to the matter at hand.

I can't imagine a point in human history where everyone was allowed to do whatever they wanted to other people. People are social and live in groups, and compromise and consideration are what make that work.

Well said.

 

[PSYGN]

They should've cut the segment with the girl at 1:40ish as she doesn't really help the video. If being catcalled by trashy people is such a big problem because of the way you dress, perhaps dress more modestly (at least for the girl at 1:40). Sorry, we don't live in a perfect world; assholes will continue being assholes.