New PS4 and PS3 Models Revealed by Certification Request Filed by Sony

Bring on that PS3 Super Turbo Alpha Slim. And please be less ugly than the current model.

I wouldn't mind picking up a cheap PS3 on 22nm that's smaller, quieter, and burns less power than my old 40GB model. Maybe on a Black Friday deal or something.
 
Yeah, I'm probably going to use an Ethernet cable but 5ghz wifi would be great for when I move it around.

Hope the white model has 5ghz wifi.

I thought 5ghz WiFi would have been included in the launch PS4, but it wasn't. It would be a good addition in all fairness.
 

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if a new cheaper PS3 revision is released, there'll be a short burst of new sales. you don't think so? there's even people in this thread expressing interest in it

Gaf is a small minority itself.

I mean its not like the extra PS2 sales helped the PS3 with it's initial struggle...

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Gaf is a small minority itself.

I mean its not like the extra PS2 sales helped the PS3 with it's initial struggle...

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I'm not sure what you're getting at really. I'm not suggesting that the PS3 is all of a sudden going to be the top seller or anything, but a new hardware revision will result in a modest bump in sales for at least a month.

I'd bet that more people would buy a new PS3 than would use DLNA on a PS4, most people have no idea what DLNA is
 
I did not see any info about 5ghz in the fcc docs, so I would not hold my breath. But I'm no expert on these certification docs either so who knows

A cheaper ps3 would be nice. Any chance of a ps3 pricedrop at gamescom?

Or do Sony want to kill it of faster than they did with the ps2? Wasn't it $99 for quite some time?
 
I'm not sure what you're getting at really. I'm not suggesting that the PS3 is all of a sudden going to be the top seller or anything, but a new hardware revision will result in a modest bump in sales for at least a month.

I'd bet that more people would buy a new PS3 than would use DLNA on a PS4, most people have no idea what DLNA is
Just about every newer CE device that plays media will have DLNA and be a certified DLNA CVP2 platform after September when certification starts. Android L has support for it and if you look at Sony Nasne or HD Homerun Prime or the FCC mandate requiring all Cable TV DVRs to support DLNA after last June you get a feel for what is coming. Every Smart TV that can be certified DLNA CVP2 can support ATSC 2.0. Every DLNA CVP2 platform can stream games and run XTV apps, has WebRTC support for Chat and more.

Certification insures the DRM and features are compatible across all platforms. Insures critical HTML5 extensions are included as part of HTML5.

Reread your post in a year. Remember your post when advertising starts this holiday season. It's my opinion the PS3 refresh's hardware will reflect what's coming just as the PS4 was designed to support it.

By 2017 all Cable TV will be IPTV via DLNA and everyone will either rent or own a DLNA CVP2 STB or game console. Over The Air TV will likely be via a DLNA Tuner/server like Sony's Nasne and a DLNA CVP2 STB as 1) it allows a older TV access to ATSC 2.0 features and 2) when ATSC 3.0 is implemented only the Tuner/DLNA server needs to be replaced. (PS4 and XB1 can support 4K TV and HEVC and down convert to older TVs)
 
if a new cheaper PS3 revision is released, there'll be a short burst of new sales. you don't think so? there's even people in this thread expressing interest in it

Like me. My 40 gb died a month ago and I really really need a new Ps3 (you know, Xillia 2, Persona 5, that stuff), but I don' t like spend 150+ € for it.
 
Just about every newer CE device that plays media will have DLNA and be a certified DLNA CVP2 platform after September when certification starts. Android L has support for it and if you look at Sony Nasne or HD Homerun Prime or the FCC mandate requiring all Cable TV DVRs to support DLNA after last June you get a feel for what is coming. Every Smart TV that can be certified DLNA CVP2 can support ATSC 2.0. Every DLNA CVP2 platform can stream games and run XTV apps, has WebRTC support for Chat and more.

Certification insures the DRM and features are compatible across all platforms. Insures critical HTML5 extensions are included as part of HTML5.

Reread your post in a year. Remember your post when advertising starts this holiday season. It's my opinion the PS3 refresh's hardware will reflect what's coming just as the PS4 was designed to support it.

By 2017 all Cable TV will be IPTV via DLNA and everyone will either rent or own a DLNA CVP2 STB or game console. Over The Air TV will likely be via a DLNA Tuner/server like Sony's Nasne and a DLNA CVP2 STB as 1) it allows a older TV access to ATSC 2.0 features and 2) when ATSC 3.0 is implemented only the Tuner/DLNA server needs to be replaced. (PS4 and XB1 can support 4K TV and HEVC and down convert to older TVs)

this is just a lot of words that say a lot of things will have DLNA on it. I still don't think a lot of people will use it on PS4
 
this is just a lot of words that say a lot of things will have DLNA on it. I still don't think a lot of people will use it on PS4
There are two cases here provided you don't have a 2013 or newer Smart TV from Sony, Samsung and a few others (ALL TVs except the new Smart TVs can't support OTA 1080P or S3D, XTV and NRT. They can't view additional lower resolution channels made possible by using the blu-ray codec:)

1) You are on an antenna. From now to within 2 years to mainstream for ATSC 2.0 you will want to be able to view sub channels that are using the blu-ray codec and have implemented XTV and Non Realtime Transmission. You will need a DLNA Tuner and STB to view TV...you could use a PS4.
2) You are on cable. If you are on cable TV then Verizon -Google and most Fiber TV are now supporting an ALL IPTV multi-stream and by 2017 Comcast and all Cable TV will be DLNA-IPTV, you will be using some STB to view TV. Cable TV will be using the blu-ray and HEVC codec as well as supporting XTV, you will need a new STB rented from your Cable TV company or....you could use a PS4.

http://www.accton.com/Newspage.asp?sno=82 said:
At the recent May 2012 NCTA Cable Show in Boston, Glenn Britt, Time Warner Cable CEO told attendees at the opening session that traditional digital cable set-tops will become extinct and eventually replaced by smart TVs and other IP-connected devices such as gaming consoles.

With a media gateway, Cable Operators can deliver a mix of everything from home automation, home security, and multi-screen video (wireless distribution of video to PCs, tablets, and mobile phones in the home) in addition to online gaming and video conferencing services.
These open source standards point to features we can have. See the following picture:

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The design of the PS4 supports low power IPTV and security for DRM and XTV.

If you are on Verizon Fios you can download an app that allows FREE access to all non-premium channels on your iPad or iPhone. VOD catchup TV has an additional fee. These features are a pre-cursor to what is going to be available to every DLNA CVP2 platform in the home which includes tablets and phones.

The PS4 and XB1 are designed to be both DLNA Clients and Servers...as gateway platforms that trans-code and serve handheld platforms. I.E. as an example, the PS4 and XB1 will support HEVC (optional for consoles) as clients and Playready sideload servers and trans-code for Handhelds which at the present time have no plans from the DLNA.org for HEVC support.
 
There are two cases here provided you don't have a 2013 or newer Smart TV from Sony, Samsung and a few others:

1) You are on an antenna. From now to within 2 years to mainstream for ATSC 2.0 you will want to be able to view sub channels that are using the blu-ray codec and have implemented XTV and Non Realtime Transmission. You will need a DLNA Tuner and STB to view TV...you could use a PS4.
2) You are on cable. If you are on cable TV then Verizon -Google and most Fiber TV are now supporting an ALL IPTV multi-stream and by 2017 Comcast and all Cable TV will be DLNA-IPTV, you will be using some STB to view TV.....you could use a PS4.

These open source standards point to features we can have. See the following picture:

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The design of the PS4 supports low power IPTV and security for DRM and XTV.

If you are on Verizon Fios you can download an app that allows FREE access to all non-premium channels on your iPad or iPhone. VOD catchup TV has an additional fee. These features are a pre-cursor to what is going to be available to every DLNA CVP2 platform in the home which includes tablets and phones.

The PS4 and XB1 are designed to be both DLNA Clients and Servers...as gateway platforms that trans-code and serve handheld platforms. I.E. as an example, the PS4 and XB1 will support HEVC (optional for consoles) as clients and Playready sideload servers and trans-code for Handhelds which at the present time have no plans from the DLNA.org for HEVC support.

I don't know why you're trying to sell me so hard on DLNA. it all seems really neat. no matter how you slice it, it would still be an obscure feature on PS4 though
 
I don't know why you're trying to sell me so hard on DLNA. it all seems really neat. no matter how you slice it, it would still be an obscure feature on PS4 though
Because EVERYTHING will either a DLNA server or client on your home network. Blu-ray players will be both server and client (planned for the XB1 and PS4), Game consoles will advertise themselves as DLNA Game servers....there is a rumor that a Xbox Mini will be a game server on the home network and I think a PS3 refresh the same.

It's part of the connected home that starts this year! It is huge and a revolution in how we can view the media that comes into our home.

The FCC mandate requiring cable TV companies to first have DVRs that are DLNA CVP2 servers also mandates that the media be in a form that is recordable. The PS4 and XB1 can act as DVRs on Cable as well as OTA. The feature adding a 15 minute game recording loop will also be used as a REW feature for OTA and Cable TV.

Gesh......this is so obvious if you have been following HTML5 and DLNA.
 
Because EVERYTHING will either a DLNA server or client on your home network. Blu-ray players will be both server and client (planned for the XB1 and PS4), Game consoles will advertise themselves as DLNA Game servers....there is a rumor that a Xbox Mini will be a game server on the home network and I think a PS3 refresh the same.

It's part of the connected home that starts this year! It is huge and a revolution in how we can view the media that comes into our home.

The FCC mandate requiring cable TV companies to first have DVRs that are DLNA CVP2 servers also mandates that the media be in a form that is recordable. The PS4 and XB1 can act as DVRs on Cable as well as OTA. The feature adding a 15 minute game recording loop will also be used as a REW feature for OTA and Cable TV.

Gesh......this is so obvious if you have been following HTML5 and DLNA.

fine you've convinced me. literally everyone will use DLNA I guess
 
5GHz is what Wii U uses for it's remote play right? Damn, what a missed opportunity for Sony. But they'd need to upgrade both the Vita and PS4 hardware for that to work right? That said, the remote play is fine as it is, but Wii U's is still in a league of its own.
 
I need to upgrade my PS3 hard drive. If this thing is 1TB I may be interested.

You can get a 1TB SSHD for pretty cheap, cheaper than any new model would be anyway. I have one in the PS3, will get one for PS4 as soon as 2TB+ ones are made/cheapish. I love it on the PS3, it's like half the speed improvement of an SSD at 1/4th the price.
 
fine you've convinced me. literally everyone will use DLNA I guess
Yes, Android L was just announced as coming later this year and will be used in 2015 Sony Smart TVs. Android L has everything necessary to support DLNA CVP2. Most of the newer Android tablets can be updated to support Android L and then certified so they can be used with other DLNA CVP2 platforms in the home.

Key differentiating features for game consoles as clients is the more powerful UI and NUI features (gesture and voice control). Of course the Hard Disk for recording OTA and Cable TV helps too.

DLNA CVP2 certification requires DLNA 1.5 and 3 box model support...control of the PS4 by a DLNA handheld that can direct media from a server to the PS4 or from the handheld to the PS4. The PS4 will be a Living room DLNA hub to allow Cameras to DLNA stream pictures and movies to the TV. The current PS3 can't do that. If the camera can act as a server the PS3 can display what's on the camera...this is another reason I think the PS3 is also getting at least a firmware update and the PS3 refresh might be getting hardware updates too. Sony is big into cameras.....

Freedom of use coming, in the UK it's legal to rip a copy protected DVD for personal use in the home but in the US it's illegal. What's coming will allow storing and creating a library of movies and TV programs to view in the home or on the road.
http://www.marlin-community.com/taxonomy/term/4?page=1 said:
The use case I’m talking about is that of building a library of movies and TV shows and selectively taking them with you when you leave your home to watch on the road. You see, DTCP does support this use case, as far as protecting the link between your set top box and a networked storage device. However, to actually copy the movie into a home library and move it to your tablet to watch it on the road, in a completely legitimate manner no less, requires another technology called DRM.

This “build a library, take it on the road” feature is completely legitimate, provided the movie coming over the network via DTCP is imported into a file that is protected by a DRM. Not all DRMs can be used for this purpose. The licensor of DTCP, an organization known as DTLA, painstakingly evaluates and selectively authorizes only certain DRMs to be used in this manner. The exciting news in all this is that shortly before the announcement about the cable industry’s enthusiastic endorsement of DLNA-CVP, the DTCP licensors announced that the Marlin DRM is “authorized” for use in copying and storeing a movie as it streams across the home network protected by DTCP.
 
Whelp.

Now I am definitely going to return that unopened PS4 laying collecting dust in my game room, and wait for this version... and hopefully some games to make it worth opening up.
 
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