That's good to know. I haven't got around to trying it yet but just assumed it'd be a bit behind what Nvidia has with Shadow Play. I must try it out when I get a chance.
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That's good to know. I haven't got around to trying it yet but just assumed it'd be a bit behind what Nvidia has with Shadow Play. I must try it out when I get a chance.
dapperbandit
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A quick question for the thread.
Is it bad to leave a PC on carpeted flooring beneath a desk? I'm looking at picking up a replacement desk for the one I have but it's surprisingly difficult to find a desk/workstation that can accomodate a PC cabinet and shelves for my PS3 and PS4 (I play those at my desk currently.)
On a basic level I don't like the idea of putting a gaming PC on a carpet because it seems like a great way to get your machine dusty and then there's the thing about carpets and static electricity. Am I wrong about this?
Is it bad to leave a PC on carpeted flooring beneath a desk? I'm looking at picking up a replacement desk for the one I have but it's surprisingly difficult to find a desk/workstation that can accomodate a PC cabinet and shelves for my PS3 and PS4 (I play those at my desk currently.)
On a basic level I don't like the idea of putting a gaming PC on a carpet because it seems like a great way to get your machine dusty and then there's the thing about carpets and static electricity. Am I wrong about this?
Nostremitus
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If your PSU is mounted on the bottom and pulls air in from beneath its a terrible idea.
The carpet can restrict airflow, restricted airflow means the PSU isn't being cooled properly. A overheating PSU should shut-down causing you to lose your work and possibly corrupt files if they were being altered at the time. If you're unlucky you overheating PSU could pop and damage internal components.
Also, heat is the enemy of conductivity. The hotter the components, the more power needs to be pushed through for the same effect which in turn leads to more heat creation...
I've spent more on my case and cooling than the rest of my pc combined. Welcome to the club
(And buying a case labs won't make it your last case. It will just introduce the need to keep buying really really nice cases)
Buggy Loop
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I think AMD directly asked VESA to include adaptive sync in their standard and although peoples were thinking it would be in display port 1.3 tech, VESA was early and made it standard into 1.2a.
So eventually it should be common (?)
Yeah, that would be a big upgrade. If you don't care too much for the Nvidia environment you can get 280X for a similar price and it will perform better.
Yeah, also came across the 280x´, but I'm kind of worried about power consumption since my system is running on a Cougar SE 400W PSU.
760 might be tricky on that too. 750Ti would be a substantial upgrade and not need the purchase of a different power supply.
Not really a specific reason. It's just new and fit my budget so I included it over the 840 pro.
I never gamed on a pc before, but I really want to try it out so I'll be gaming on this thing, programming, Photoshop, video editing, and everyday usage.
750ti would be outdated pretty quickly though, I imagine. Man, I thought I'd be safe with my PSU, for a couple of years. ;_;
By that same argument the 760 will be outdated quickly. It's already a two year old card.
The 750 Ti is newer, as powerful as a 580, and doesn't consume much power.You're certainly better off getting a 280x or higher and a new power supply, just trying to stick within only replacing one thing. A 760 might work, but is definitely pushing it if you have an over clock on your 2500K
By that same argument the 760 will be outdated quickly. It's already a two year old card.
You're certainly better off getting a 280x or higher and a new power supply, just trying to stick within only replacing one thing. A 760 might work, but is definitely pushing it if you have an over clock on your 2500K
So much work to replace the PSU though
. I'll think about it, not really ready to invest money for a GPU and a PSU. But it seems unavoidable. There should be a PSU guide in the OP right? Don't want to get burned again.
Yes, it's possible that in a few years, lots of desktop displays will support DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync, therefore making them possible to use in a FreeSync mode.
FreeSync saves the consumer the cost of the G-Sync module (whatever that cost is). You still have to pay for a panel with suitable properties. It's probable though that 1920x1080 FreeSync compatible displays that support up to 60Hz will be quite affordable. I imagine if you want QHD and/or panels that refresh at higher rates, you'll be paying quite a bit more whether it's G-Sync or FreeSync compatible.
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Thanks, I'll looking into updating it today.
I had a new issue yesterday: my pc went in sleep after some time, but it couldn't wake up, I had to reboot it.
So many weird booting issues.
The reason I said FreeSync requires no unique hardware is that Adaptive-Sync is a part of the DisplayPort 1.2a standard and will presumably be made a part of future standards so that if you support display port 1.3+, you support DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync. I don't remember seeing anything about whether FreeSync would be proprietary or not (long term), but I did choose my words poorly when I said it was open source. I really meant that it was taking advantage of an open standard (DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync) that anyone could use. Obviously even if FreeSync is proprietary it'd be very easy to Nvidia to take advantage of Adaptive-Sync in a similar manner.
The reason I ask is you can get a 512GB MX100 SSD for slightly less. If this is all in your budget, it looks pretty good. The 780 Ti carries a hefty premium over the R9 290X for a small performance bump, but the performance delta
rice delta at the top end is never going to be value oriented. When you say video editing, how intense are we talking? Haswell-E is coming out in September and looks to offer 6 cores at the entry level along with DDR4 compatibility. Depending on Micro Center bundles, you could be looking at a 6 core CPU + DDR4 for ~$300 more.Look at the 4960X/4930K and add ~10% to get a feel for entry level Haswell-E.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7255/intel-core-i7-4960x-ivy-bridge-e-review/3
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-i7-4930k-i7-4820k-ivy-bridge-e-review-8.html
fifasnipe2224
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When is the nvidia 880 card coming out?
Tried booting with the GPU removed and DVI connected to motherboard, same thing, no output. no beeps. it looks like my keyboard backlight isn't turning on which makes me think there is something wrong besides video output.
does anyone have anything else to try? it was literally fine - mflash bios - said it was successful - won't boot.
MSI mobo
edit: just noticed the front panel leds blink when I first press power and when I hold the button down to power off, but they don't stay on other than that. there are also LED under the audio boost thing on the mobo, and these DO light up when it's on.
could the mobo actually be dead? from successfully flashing the bios? :/
DirtyLarry
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Currently picking out my components, and just a general question. Are there any GPU's that are known to play nicer with the Oculus Rift than others? I am a Nvidia man, have been for many years now, but I am considering going ATi (or damn I mean AMD) this go around as price vs performance does seem to favor them, and I have to think after all of this years they have gotten their act together with drivers (My last ATi card was a Radeon 9200 I think which was right around when Half Life 2 was released).
However does OR prefer one brand over the other? Or does it not make any difference whatsoever?
However does OR prefer one brand over the other? Or does it not make any difference whatsoever?
Rumors say late September, but we've had several incorrect rumors already. I'm not putting stock in anything short of an announcement from Nvidia themselves.
I haven't seen anyone having issues with it. I believe the OR team uses Nvidia cards, but that's likely because the 780Ti is the most powerful single card right now.
Yup. I'm sure there's someone at NVIDIA researching the possibility. They'd lose their first-mover advantage (slim though it is) and all the effort they'd expended so far selling G-Sync to display manufacturers. It's a real possibility though if FreeSync and G-Sync have feature and performance parity where it matters.
I don't believe OR officially prefers any brand (and neither should they obviously).
That said, the Oculus display driver engineer runs a 780.
The Rift is a display, it makes no difference. What software you want to run might make you choose one GPU vendor over the other. You'll have to read Rift forums and other resources to see what games/demos have compatibility/performance issues.
Honestly, it's probably a pointless task because there are hardly any complete games compatible with DK2 at the moment and everything is moving so fast at this stage. Pretty much all software is incomplete right now. The Rift is one giant work-in-progress and there are no guarantees on the bleeding edge.
michaelius
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Every display requires ASIC to operate (you must have something that controls all the backlights and pixels and overdrive and scalling non native resolutions etc.) and G-sync completly replaces electronics inside a display.
So considering someone will have to invest into making it compatible with 1.2a then there's likely going to be a price premium on displays that use it compared to basic ones. There's also possibility that since AMD is not pushing it in any form and 1.2a will be incorporated into 1.3 then companies might wait and implement 1.3 instead to save themselves redesign costs.
Also G-sync premium is so big most likely due to Nvidia using small scale production expensive FPGA technology - once they can ramp up volume of production they can do ASIC for it which will likely reduce costs.
Thanks! Yeah, i'm not surprised that thing is a chore to get onto your CPUReally stands out though.
Generally size of cooler doesn't really matter - I got myself Phanteks which is super huge but mounting system made it piece of cake to put it on mobo compared to smaller heatsink like Scythe Mugen 2
dudeington
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I bought an r9 280x that was most likely being used for mining for about $180 about 4 months ago and haven't had any issues at all. Components are harder to kill (as long as you're not seriously overclocking) than most people think.
Yeah, honestly you probably bricked your mobo. Happened to me once like ~8 years ago (ah, the good ol' days of the P965 chipset...) when I was flashing the BIOS. You'll probably have to RMA it, so may as well get the process started.
dudeington
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Don't worry about your computer being on the floor. I fix people's computer in their homes every day. The only time I've ever seen any damage done to a from the environment is in wood shops and from people who smoke next to their computers. That's over 10 years and most have their tower sitting on the floor.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Sitting on carpet?? Bad idea unless is hard wood floors
dudeington
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Why do you say that? There's no air intake on the floor-side of the tower and in 18 years of working with computers I've never had static damage to any component (and I don't even wear ESD straps AND I often work on carpet)
Well it'll probably just be light editing in 1080p for now, but this will be my first pc so if I can push it further I will. I also have to get the OS, monitor, desk, keyboard, and mouse all with a 3K budget, so I don't know how much wiggle room I have to upgrade the CPU.The reason I said FreeSync requires no unique hardware is that Adaptive-Sync is a part of the DisplayPort 1.2a standard and will presumably be made a part of future standards so that if you support display port 1.3+, you support DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync. I don't remember seeing anything about whether FreeSync would be proprietary or not (long term), but I did choose my words poorly when I said it was open source. I really meant that it was taking advantage of an open standard (DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync) that anyone could use. Obviously even if FreeSync is proprietary it'd be very easy to Nvidia to take advantage of Adaptive-Sync in a similar manner.
The reason I ask is you can get a 512GB MX100 SSD for slightly less. If this is all in your budget, it looks pretty good. The 780 Ti carries a hefty premium over the R9 290X for a small performance bump, but the performance delta
Look at the 4960X/4930K and add ~10% to get a feel for entry level Haswell-E.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7255/intel-core-i7-4960x-ivy-bridge-e-review/3
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-i7-4930k-i7-4820k-ivy-bridge-e-review-8.html
Most modern towers have the psu air intake on the bottom now.
But to the person who wants to put their case on the carpet - just put a board or something under it.
If that's actual power draw rather than on-the-box power draw, then I'd be careful. I don't know much about Cougar PSU's, but no PSU is 100% efficient so your PSU is unlikely to be able to power 400w of draw reliably. 350w is questionable without a good PSU and you also have to consider what else that PC is running.
RadioactiveLobster
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SMA8 with an extended top so I can do a Push/Pull 480 on top and a 360 in the bottom
Don't say that! Let me live in ignorance a little while longer.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I took a college computer hardware class and my teacher always mentioned do not work or leave your computer on carpet... It doesn't mean something will happen just by sitting on carpet but there are risks of damaging components due to ESD and overheating
Check out reddit.com/r/softwareswap for a $10 Windows key.
If you have an IKEA near you, Galant desks are great and essentially modular (you can make them whatever length you want).
If you start running into budget issues, you might look at an R9 290X over a 780Ti. It's a slight downgrade, but ~$150 less.
phxxBullet
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SSD virgin here. Going to build a new rig for my dad today, first time installing OS on a SSD.
Is there anything different to an HDD? Any things I have to watch out for?
Also, are there any official update-packages from Windows7? Don't want to download 500+ updates in one go.
Thanks in advance !
Is there anything different to an HDD? Any things I have to watch out for?
Also, are there any official update-packages from Windows7? Don't want to download 500+ updates in one go.
Thanks in advance !
Prophet Steve
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Don't defrag.
Um, that is kind of it. There are some tweaks, but I don't think they matter that much. You can turn off hibernation for some extra space, but with the capacities now I don't think it is really necessary.
I think there is a service pack, but you do it all through Windows Update.
According to tests my PSU has an average power reliability of 87,36 %. It should manage the 350 W under full power. I'm no expert though, so if you guys think that is unrealistic, then please say so!
Just enjoy the awesome smoothness. It'll blow your mind.
Maybe not completely unrealistic, but cutting it close IMO.
That would be cutting things way too close for my comfort.
I'm not an expert either, though...
That's what I did and it's still alive so far.
Hmm, not really feeling the 750ti though. Maybe I should just wait til next year and rebuild my rig from the ground up.
Shin Johnpv
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To be fair some Asus motherboards let you update the Bios while inside windows. The one I just picked up lets you do that.
Up to you of course but would still be a substantial upgrade over the 460. Or hold out a little longer and see what happens with power requirements for the 800 series.
Yep, pretty much looks like this is the case. Tried everything I can think of and while there are some crazy blind BIOS recovery options, no one has a clear set of instructions to follows for my mobo so I'd just be trying stuff at random hoping to get it to pick something up. I'm just beside myself because it said "BIOS successfully installed!" Like, nothing was interrupted, I followed instructions right from the manufacturer, everything appeared to go exactly as expected.... then poof, brand new rig offline. just crazy to think about an RMA, I went out of my way to avoid this altogether and then somehow did it to myself.
Tigerdirect claims they will handle it (they assembled the basic components for me, which I bought from them including the mobo)... I even mentioned the possibility of a defective mobo and the guy on the phone said no problem. I'm got some time on the MSI warranty. So we'll see...
Believe me, I know how much this stuff sucks (I'm the one who spilled water and killed my GPU 2 weeks ago... lol), but I promise it'll all go quicker than you think!
I think it's a bit risky, especially because no system is exactly the same, so you can't be confident that's going to be the load you see. I think you'd be better off spending $60 on a 550-600W power supply and buying an R9 280 for the same total cost as a 280X.
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