"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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Believe me, I know how much this stuff sucks (I'm the one who spilled water and killed my GPU 2 weeks ago... lol), but I promise it'll all go quicker than you think! :)
I appreciate the upbeat attitude, thank you. :) And wow does that suck about your GPU, my condolences >_< Nothing else was fried?

I'm sorta just kicking myself for even trying to update the BIOS when I would have been fine with the two-month-old ones it came with. This wasn't just a new build but a replacement for a dead PC in the first place, and I went from no PC to awesome brand new PC back to no PC in like the blink of an eye. Oh well, a hard lesson learned.
 
I appreciate the upbeat attitude, thank you. :) And wow does that suck about your GPU, my condolences >_< Nothing else was fried?

I'm sorta just kicking myself for even trying to update the BIOS when I would have been fine with the two-month-old ones it came with. This wasn't just a new build but a replacement for a dead PC in the first place, and I went from no PC to awesome brand new PC back to no PC in like the blink of an eye. Oh well, a hard lesson learned.

Lesson is learned and I'm not at all trying to rub salt in the wound but I've learned that lesson the hard way as well. You are not alone. I never update the BIOS anymore unless I am trying to address a specific issue. It's not worth the potential havoc.
 
I appreciate the upbeat attitude, thank you. :) And wow does that suck about your GPU, my condolences >_< Nothing else was fried?

I'm sorta just kicking myself for even trying to update the BIOS when I would have been fine with the two-month-old ones it came with. This wasn't just a new build but a replacement for a dead PC in the first place, and I went from no PC to awesome brand new PC back to no PC in like the blink of an eye. Oh well, a hard lesson learned.

Luckily, no. I think it helped that the water went in through the top, where the fan is, so the fan kinda sprayed a lot of the water around, preventing it from really hitting the mobo. But enough went straight down onto the GPU that it still killed it. Ah well. I managed to get a non-reference (and most likely non-mining, but I didn't ask and don't really care anyway) 290x for $300 off ebay and its working perfectly.

Yeah, BIOS updates still freak me out to this day. The first reboot after I do it can be pretty crazy for my emotions haha. Really just think you got unlucky, though.
 
Check out reddit.com/r/softwareswap for a $10 Windows key.

If you have an IKEA near you, Galant desks are great and essentially modular (you can make them whatever length you want).

If you start running into budget issues, you might look at an R9 290X over a 780Ti. It's a slight downgrade, but ~$150 less.
Would you be able to recommend a monitor/keyboard/mouse in the $300ish price range?

I came up with these three:
KEYBOARD: Corsair Vengeance K70 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823816010
MOUSE: Corsair Vengeance M65 Laser FPS Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826816009
MONITOR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009437
 
Would you be able to recommend a monitor/keyboard/mouse in the $300ish price range?

I came up with these three:
KEYBOARD: Corsair Vengeance K70 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823816010
MOUSE: Corsair Vengeance M65 Laser FPS Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826816009
MONITOR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009437

A lot of the keyboard/mouse stuff is personal preference. I'd budget ~$150 or so for the monitor and try to get a 23" one though.
 
Hey guys. I have a question. My motherboard died and I'm gaming on this ancient laptop since March, thought I might pre order all parts of my new PC now except for the graphics card in preparation of the 880 launch. So would I get in trouble with using my old 250 GTS and later replacing it with a 880? Would drivers ruin something, would I need to reformat again ? Anyone experience with that ?
 
Hey, PCGaf. I've been tasked with my best friend's father to find him a new PC. He's a freelance writer and will be using it for business, but he also wants to game on the side. Now, not "GAF game," but at least be happy with firing up a PC game and getting going. The last time he PC gamed was when Sierra was around.

His budget is $1,000. I think getting him a widescreen ASUS monitor should be in the equation (around $150, I figure).

Now, I know my way around building a PC, but what are some good pre-fab desktop manufacturers? I think for my friend's father, he's going to want ease of use and if something breaks he just wants to be able to call someone.

I'm looking at Dells right now, but the Alienware seems like you pay a lot for the name. Maybe I am wrong now, though?
 
According to tests my PSU has an average power reliability of 87,36 %. It should manage the 350 W under full power. I'm no expert though, so if you guys think that is unrealistic, then please say so!
This:
That would be cutting things way too close for my comfort.

I'm not an expert either, though...
Do not do it.
SMA8 with an extended top so I can do a Push/Pull 480 on top and a 360 in the bottom

Don't say that! Let me live in ignorance a little while longer.
Very nice!

You might be interested to know that FrozenCPU has the Little Devil PC-V8 for $300 right now. Not quite as feature rich as the SMA8, but I think it has superior fit/finish. Plus you can fit some serious hardware and water cooling gear in there.
Hey guys. I have a question. My motherboard died and I'm gaming on this ancient laptop since March, thought I might pre order all parts of my new PC now except for the graphics card in preparation of the 880 launch. So would I get in trouble with using my old 250 GTS and later replacing it with a 880? Would drivers ruin something, would I need to reformat again ? Anyone experience with that ?
You'll be fine, no need to reformat. I reformat when I do an AMD->NVIDIA or vice versa switch.
Hey, PCGaf. I've been tasked with my best friend's father to find him a new PC. He's a freelance writer and will be using it for business, but he also wants to game on the side. Now, not "GAF game," but at least be happy with firing up a PC game and getting going. The last time he PC gamed was when Sierra was around.

His budget is $1,000. I think getting him a widescreen ASUS monitor should be in the equation (around $150, I figure).

Now, I know my way around building a PC, but what are some good pre-fab desktop manufacturers? I think for my friend's father, he's going to want ease of use and if something breaks he just wants to be able to call someone.

I'm looking at Dells right now, but the Alienware seems like you pay a lot for the name. Maybe I am wrong now, though?
I've been impressed by the work at Ironside Computers. You could also have Microcenter/Frys put it together, which would give him someone local to bring it to. Frys pricematches everyone, so you get a pretty good deal on the parts.
I appreciate the upbeat attitude, thank you. :) And wow does that suck about your GPU, my condolences >_< Nothing else was fried?

I'm sorta just kicking myself for even trying to update the BIOS when I would have been fine with the two-month-old ones it came with. This wasn't just a new build but a replacement for a dead PC in the first place, and I went from no PC to awesome brand new PC back to no PC in like the blink of an eye. Oh well, a hard lesson learned.
Have you tried pulling out the motherboard battery?
 
Would you be able to recommend a monitor/keyboard/mouse in the $300ish price range?

I came up with these three:
KEYBOARD: Corsair Vengeance K70 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823816010
MOUSE: Corsair Vengeance M65 Laser FPS Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826816009
MONITOR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009437

As someone else said, keyboard/mouse is very personal. I'm perfectly happy with a $20 Microsoft or Logitech keyboard. The OP provides good mouse options.

http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales is a great place to find mechanical keyboards/mice on sale.

Finally, to me, spending $2300 on a computer and $100 on a monitor is like buying a Ferrari and putting crappy knock off all season tires on it. At the very least look into a 120/144Hz 1080P screen.
 
While mouse is personal in terms of shape, there are objectively better and worse mice, in terms of sensor quality and firmware.

The options in the OP pretty much cover all grip types, and outside of the ergo/MMO mice, are all top quality sensors.
 
As someone else said, keyboard/mouse is very personal. I'm perfectly happy with a $20 Microsoft or Logitech keyboard. The OP provides good mouse options.

http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales is a great place to find mechanical keyboards/mice on sale.

Finally, to me, spending $2300 on a computer and $100 on a monitor is like buying a Ferrari and putting crappy knock off all season tires on it. At the very least look into a 120/144Hz 1080P screen.
So how's this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313R
I'm not sure how much these things usually run.
 
apparently M-flash is shitty and shouldn't be used. ugh...

Tried booting with the GPU removed and DVI connected to motherboard, same thing, no output. no beeps. it looks like my keyboard backlight isn't turning on which makes me think there is something wrong besides video output.

does anyone have anything else to try? it was literally fine - mflash bios - said it was successful - won't boot.

MSI mobo

edit: just noticed the front panel leds blink when I first press power and when I hold the button down to power off, but they don't stay on other than that. there are also LED under the audio boost thing on the mobo, and these DO light up when it's on.

could the mobo actually be dead? from successfully flashing the bios? :/

Yep, pretty much looks like this is the case. Tried everything I can think of and while there are some crazy blind BIOS recovery options, no one has a clear set of instructions to follows for my mobo so I'd just be trying stuff at random hoping to get it to pick something up. I'm just beside myself because it said "BIOS successfully installed!" Like, nothing was interrupted, I followed instructions right from the manufacturer, everything appeared to go exactly as expected.... then poof, brand new rig offline. just crazy to think about an RMA, I went out of my way to avoid this altogether and then somehow did it to myself.

Tigerdirect claims they will handle it (they assembled the basic components for me, which I bought from them including the mobo)... I even mentioned the possibility of a defective mobo and the guy on the phone said no problem. I'm got some time on the MSI warranty. So we'll see...

Have you tried pulling out the motherboard battery?

Other than what mkenyon suggested... Have you tried MSI's recovery instructions? (You'll need another computer/laptop though)
http://service.msicomputer.com/msi_user/support/TechFAQdetail.aspx?formid=3046
 
So if I wanted to get something like the Node 304 case, newegg lists it as a mini-ITX. Am I able to squeeze a micro-atx board in there or am I definitely looking for just a mini-ITX?

Seems to be a lot more options in the micro-ATX space.

edit: It looks like that was a pretty silly question. Mini is the only option. I got slightly confused when I searched for a Maximus VII board. Newegg doesn't carry the Impact which is the mini. Only saw the micro. Mini it is.
 
I also see this one new with $25 off
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009642

are they similar?
Here's some info on it on the Blurbuster forums: http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=982
How can I tell the difference between a good and bad HDD?
Price. Expensive ones are good. Inexpensive ones aren't.
So if I wanted to get something like the Node 304 case, newegg lists it as a mini-ITX. Am I able to squeeze a micro-atx board in there or am I definitely looking for just a mini-ITX?

Seems to be a lot more options in the micro-ATX space.

edit: It looks like that was a pretty silly question. Mini is the only option. I got slightly confused when I searched for a Maximus VII board. Newegg doesn't carry the Impact which is the mini. Only saw the micro. Mini it is.
There's the Node 804.
 
Lesson is learned and I'm not at all trying to rub salt in the wound but I've learned that lesson the hard way as well. You are not alone. I never update the BIOS anymore unless I am trying to address a specific issue. It's not worth the potential havoc.
Thanks, yuup, not even close to worth it. I was sitting there thinking "man I really want to try some games right now, but I really should update the BIOS... argh let's just get it out of the way" followed immediately by hours of desperate sadness. >_<

This kind of thing is seriously the norm for me though. PC hardware loathes me. Only the second dead mobo, but I've had no less than 10 incidents that stopped a new build or upgrade cold. and it's why I wanted it assembled by someone else this time around (considering I was getting it out of necessity). Fingers crossed it will give me an easy out.
Luckily, no. I think it helped that the water went in through the top, where the fan is, so the fan kinda sprayed a lot of the water around, preventing it from really hitting the mobo. But enough went straight down onto the GPU that it still killed it. Ah well. I managed to get a non-reference (and most likely non-mining, but I didn't ask and don't really care anyway) 290x for $300 off ebay and its working perfectly.

Yeah, BIOS updates still freak me out to this day. The first reboot after I do it can be pretty crazy for my emotions haha. Really just think you got unlucky, though.
Did the fan work?! I'm fascinated by the idea that water could touch a computer at all and not everything inside would immediately go kaput forever. You must have been so terrified
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Funny thing is I've had that experience in the past of booting and being like "oh god come on please work new BIOS please work" but this time the process was so simple and the PC so brand new that I didn't think twice about it, just tra la la, hey UEFI sure is cool, wow that was easy, BIOS successful yay, ZOMG NO POST WHAT.

thanks for the emotional support you guys. was kind of losing it there I admit, I hate that feeling of "why the hell did I even do this." Gonna try to get it in before the end of business today and see what they say.
Have you tried pulling out the motherboard battery?
Other than what mkenyon suggested... Have you tried MSI's recovery instructions? (You'll need another computer/laptop though)
http://service.msicomputer.com/msi_user/support/TechFAQdetail.aspx?formid=3046
Oh, thanks so much for the suggestions you guys!

I pulled the battery out and reseated it (while looking for a CMOS jumper that apparently doesn't exist)- do you mean booting without the battery in?

I did try that recovery option, everything just stayed black. However, it's not really specific about some things... do you happen to know if the BIOS needs to be the ONLY file on the drive? What is the right video I/O to use to ensure something will show up on the screen if it's going to at all, VGA? Could be worth another shot.
 
Is one testing/benchmarking software better to us than another? I want to monitor CPU and Gpu temps in my new system with some load on it.

I posted earlier, not worried but after 15 to 20 minutes of a game like Sleeping Dogs the fans take off doing there job and the system maxed at 63 C.

So I would like to see what I can push it to.

Also just want opinion but adding a front case fan would help some too right? I am at work and can't really do the search on my phone


Also I need to change my sata data cables, should I be looking for a specific quality? The ones that came with the drives were kind of short so I want to get some longer ones and tuck them away better
 
Which would have better results? Two 780s through SLI or a single 780 Ti?

I must advise against SLI unless you absolutely cannot get the performance you want from a single card.

I assume you would get better performance from the dual-780s than a 780ti, but I don't consider it worthwhile. SLI support is nowhere near universal or even consistent, you're drawing a lot more power and using a lot more heat.
 
Guess what, the new build won't start up.

When I press the power button, the led, the cpu+psu fan will spin for a second and then just stop. No beep, no nothing.

Any ideas why?

Tried reconnecting the power-cables on the board, it either won't start or start like above.

(I believe it's) The Power+/-. from the case which seems to be broken. It used to take up 3 pins, but was already broken when I removed it from the old board, but sadly I can't remember how they where placed on the old one.
 
I must advise against SLI unless you absolutely cannot get the performance you want from a single card.

I assume you would get better performance from the dual-780s than a 780ti, but I don't consider it worthwhile. SLI support is nowhere near universal or even consistent, you're drawing a lot more power and using a lot more heat.

At that point I think it's reasonable. If you can't get the performance you want out of a 780 then a 780 Ti probably isn't going to cut it. SLI 780s will definitely outperform a 780Ti. Does anyone honestly care about power and heat as long as they can supply and dissipate them, respectively?

Better. And if it follows the pattern Nvidia has set with gens, 30-40% better then a 780.

That doesn't seem likely. Every Nvidia generation is not the same. Gains aren't constant, and this is effectively a transition from a high end design (GM110) to a new generation mid range design (GM204). Everything right now is baseless speculation.
 
Guess what, the new build won't start up.

When I press the power button, the led, the cpu+psu fan will spin for a second and then just stop. No beep, no nothing.

Any ideas why?

Tried reconnecting the power-cables on the board, it either won't start or start like above.

(I believe it's) The Power+/-. from the case which seems to be broken. It used to take up 3 pins, but was already broken when I removed it from the old board, but sadly I can't remember how they where placed on the old one.

Power switch doesnt have polarity, its a switch. remove all the front panel connections from the board and just plug the Power switch in. Or if you have doubts over the power switch plug, just plug the reset switch into the power switch header pins and use the reset switch to turn the PC on.

A lot of boards dont have onboard speakers, so unless you plugged one in or know otherwise, it wont beep anyways. Try reseat the RAM.
 
At that point I think it's reasonable. If you can't get the performance you want out of a 780 and 780 Ti probably isn't going to cut it. SLI 780s will definitely outperform a 780Ti.
Definitely they will no question; I guess they would have to outperform a Titan too, right, to consider the expense?

I've had issues in the past with games not scaling as well as they should have in SLI, or needing another driver update, it's kind of put me off the technology. The degree to which you're willing to recommend it makes me think it has come a long way since I used it though, so that's definitely possible.
Does anyone honestly care about power and heat as long as they can supply and dissipate them, respectively?
the as long as being operative... I guess not, unless looking for future overclocking too
 
Definitely they will no question; I guess they would have to outperform a Titan too, right, to consider the expense?

I've had issues in the past with games not scaling as well as they should have in SLI, or needing another driver update, it's kind of put me off the technology. The degree to which you're willing to recommend it makes me think it has come a long way since I used it though, so that's definitely possible.

the as long as being operative... I guess not, unless looking for future overclocking too

780Ti outperforms a Titan in games.
 
Power switch doesnt have polarity, its a switch. remove all the front panel connections from the board and just plug the Power switch in. Or if you have doubts over the power switch plug, just plug the reset switch into the power switch header pins and use the reset switch to turn the PC on.

A lot of boards dont have onboard speakers, so unless you plugged one in or know otherwise, it wont beep anyways. Try reseat the RAM.
Thanks alot, will try this as soon as I come home.
 
Oh, thanks so much for the suggestions you guys!

I pulled the battery out and reseated it (while looking for a CMOS jumper that apparently doesn't exist)- do you mean booting without the battery in?

I did try that recovery option, everything just stayed black. However, it's not really specific about some things... do you happen to know if the BIOS needs to be the ONLY file on the drive? What is the right video I/O to use to ensure something will show up on the screen if it's going to at all, VGA? Could be worth another shot.

Not really sure. Haven't used a MSI motherboard before, but it seems like it should be the only file with nothing else connected to the motherboard (no hard drives / disc drives / etc.). You could try pressing Ctrl + Home when powering on also... but I'm only going from what others have said.

Connect it to the VGA output on your motherboard if all else fails I guess.
 
Not really sure. Haven't used a MSI motherboard before, but it seems like it should be the only file with nothing else connected to the motherboard (no hard drives / disc drives / etc.). You could try pressing Ctrl + Home when powering on also... but I'm only going from what others have said.

Connect it to the VGA output on your motherboard if all else fails I guess.
Thanks. Need to find an empty flash drive, I couldn't wipe the one I used for the install. And my work laptop encrypts drives when you connect them... bleh, what a nightmare.

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Ooh. Well that makes more sense. Guess the titan cost is all for the vram?
 
Thanks. Need to find an empty flash drive, I couldn't wipe the one I used for the install. And my work laptop encrypts drives when you connect them... bleh, what a nightmare.


Ooh. Well that makes more sense. Guess the titan cost is all for the vram?

VRAM + 780Ti is artificially limited by Nvidia in regards to double precision calcs.
 
Power switch doesnt have polarity, its a switch. remove all the front panel connections from the board and just plug the Power switch in. Or if you have doubts over the power switch plug, just plug the reset switch into the power switch header pins and use the reset switch to turn the PC on.

A lot of boards dont have onboard speakers, so unless you plugged one in or know otherwise, it wont beep anyways. Try reseat the RAM.
okay, so the thing which seems like it was broken in 2 is actually the PowerLed, used to be a 2-pin with a 1pin in the middle which is empty, and know they are 2 seperate 1 pins with broken plastic.

Tried to only plug in the Power/Reset-swtich but dien't work, either in the power-header nor in the reset-header.

Also tried reseating RAM, tried another PSU, didn't work either.
 
okay, so the thing which seems like it was broken in 2 is actually the PowerLed, used to be a 2-pin with a 1pin in the middle which is empty, and know they are 2 seperate 1 pins with broken plastic.

Tried to only plug in the Power/Reset-swtich but dien't work, either in the power-header nor in the reset-header.

Also tried reseating RAM, tried another PSU, didn't work either.

Does the board have a debug LED or any debug LEDs? I would probably o ahead and reseat the CPU at this point too, inspect for bent pins.
 
Is the Maximus VII Impact still due to launch later this month? I have a Bitfenix Prodigy just sitting in the box doing nothing!
 
Does the board have a debug LED or any debug LEDs? I would probably o ahead and reseat the CPU at this point too, inspect for bent pins.
Doesn't seem to have any sadly.
Also reseating the CPU didn't do the trick. Couldn't see any bent pins on the board, and the CPU doesn't have any (i3). But is it normal for the stock cooler to spread the cooling paste all over the CPU? It's not like it ever ran longer than a few spins.
 
Doesn't seem to have any sadly.
Also reseating the CPU didn't do the trick. Couldn't see any bent pins on the board, and the CPU doesn't have any (i3). But is it normal for the stock cooler to spread the cooling paste all over the CPU? It's not like it ever ran longer than a few spins.

Yeah thats normal. Does the board have an onboard GPU, if it has, try remove the GPU, remove all SATA devices and use 1 stick of RAM (try different slots), then try and power up the PC.

Make sure the 8Pin CPU Power and 24Pin ATX Connectors are plugged into the motherboard.
 
Is the Maximus VII Impact still due to launch later this month? I have a Bitfenix Prodigy just sitting in the box doing nothing!
It's not drastically changed from the MVI Impact. Just get that one.

I'm actually struggling to think of anything that's different.
 
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