I agree but change is only gonna happen if the government is involved.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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I agree but change is only gonna happen if the government is involved.
Or we change the government.
Agencies also get military surplus at a fairly great discounted price as well.
djplaeskool
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Dogs? Police brought dogs to that protest?
Are you fucking kidding me?
The government hasn't done anything to resolve this and the politicians have had 50 years at least to curb this problem.
And from what I've gathered, the only thing politicians do is show up once at some local church every 4 or 6 years whenever an election is about to happen.
jamesinclair
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They brought police dogs and riot gear to the peaceful vigil.
They also cursed out the mourners.
Their entire purpose was to instigate the community and incite anger so they could run back to the station and grab their army toys.
Fair enough. I don't quite agree with everything there, but at least you've back up your opinions with something substantial instead of just making wildly vague statements.
I guess my view is skewed the other way because I am in one of those states with the least amount of incidents (according to the map you provided) I work for a law enforcement training center, and while I do see the occasional asshole pass through the doors, by and large the students are pretty decent people, so when someone generalizes all cops as assholes and corrupt, it pisses me off. It's just not true.
You are confusing my response with a response to another poster.
I know, the problem is not one person who is outraged on this, is going to switch their vote, because they're already voting for the Dems.
The core issue is poor people and minorities don't vote enough, especially at local/state level. (and local is what can do it here)
Ferguson is 70% black. If 75% of the minorities vote in a bloc, they can disband that entire police department and rebuild a better one from scratch. There would be nothing anyone could do about it.
Things aren't going to change until enough folks vote at the ballot box to get revenge.
There is a path for fixing this injustice that doesn't involve terrorism.
King Cobra
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This is a really well taken picture.
Simply voting in a Black politician in power isn't going to magically fix all the structural, institutional and individual problems that the community faces every single day. Moreover, all the bureaucracy, lobbying, and power plays would severely incapacitate any political decision or move that aimed to alleviate the pains and troubles of the community.
Just look at the first African American mayor Maynard Jackson in Atlanta and how much bullshit he had to go through to simply force affirmative action in constructing the city's airport (30% amount of minority employment).
Finally, when you feel alienated and excluded by every politician and government, why would you want to participate in the democracy when nothing is ever done for you? People don't feel included or taken seriously, so obviously it's difficult to make the mental leap that voting would change anything.
They do that when they're afraid. They know there going to be hit hard and scrutinized. Too bad it won't be system wide.
You vote in enough city council, you can just fire them all and hire folks under a new policy. That's what is needed. Collective punishment of police forces that fail to stop racism in their ranks, and hire from within the community- I'm sure there are plenty of folks who need jobs- just make them cops. They can't be any worse for the community than what they have now.
The core issue is police shooting black people to death. Voting has nothing to do with police shooting black people nation wide. Voting in America isn't effective when money trumps citizens. The government in America isn't a representation of civilians, but lobbying, business, and union interests. You are fully aware that black people can't vote out an entire police department, and that it shouldn't just be up to the blacks?
Its amazingly obtuse to pretend that because blacks aren't voting across the nation, they continue to be harassed. How about the rest of the population "vote" to disband pds killing people period? Why isn't the nation working on this? Why is it just up to the victims to solve the problem? Just black folk noticing this is out. Of hand, right?
First off, the Kochs aren't going to put their billions into a poor St.Louis suburb, it's not a national issue, and it's not their core issue - as bad as the plutocrats are, their interests aren't local.
Secondly, local can do things with a lot less money if they stick together- yes I am fully aware of things, but you can at least send a message by doing it at the local level, and it would spread. Yes, it shouldn't be just up to one group, but that group has the majority of the votes, so if they vote according to their interest, and if their main interest is "not having police be worse than the criminals", they can. Local politics is a very different beast than congressional or state politics.
It's not just blacks noticing low, it's other liberals as well (at least those that care). With the direction America is going, something can be done, it's just going to take work beyond convenient feelgood twitter hashtags. It's going to be work that people won't like to do, but if enough do it, something damn well will change.
If Ferguson does it, it makes it easier for the next flashpoint to do the same. Eventually this will force the issue up the ladder.
Change is not something you get solely by electing one guy to the presidency- it's a lot of hard, unfair work. It always has been, it always will be. This is why things don't get done in America, too many liberals don't vote in smaller elections where the problems start. It's something that has to change for America to move forward.
Battersea Power Station
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People are generally mentally lazy. It's easier to spank your kids than put in the thought about how to parent them. When you're the government, you're the parents and your constituents are your kids.
You really wanna be mad? Look up the history of Seneca Village and Black Wall Street.
They literally torn down a black community to make fucking Central Park.
Its not even close to being that easy.
You can't generalize a solution to a problem this complex.
No community should suffer like this - its very sad to see things escalate, it was ridiculous what happened in oakland 5 years ago.
These days with traditional media, blogs/independent new sites and social media, who's to trust for the whole story?
Can anyone point me to where there's actual unbiased reporting? Ill be catching up on wiki.
Right, it's going to take feel good voting that won't matter locally. Your plan to just vote out police officers nation wide is nonsense, as it won't politically happen. Koch Bros spent millions on a small town judge, FYI. But that isn't the literal point. Government in America isn't dictated by the people and it's a problem. A significant one. Its a broken system, and you're aware of this. So to claim that blacks voting nation wide would solve problems, is naive. Voting can't fix a lot of local issues to begin with as los angeles or sf knows. Firing an entire police department is fantasy. Sure sure, maybe. Anything is possible, but other options are far more plausible. Like dash/chest cameras streaming to a third party. If it's tampered with, it's a federal crime.
there, I solved it.
jamesinclair
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If they had just listened to the police orders this never would have happened
IISANDERII
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And with the high acquittal rates, they don't need to. It's not just police, it's the entire justice system from bottom to top that's failed.
I remember reading about that in school. Utterly disgusting.
I know right? What would we do without the police?
Outside of triple our chances of living past 20 and have a chance at becoming productive members of society.
I am dumbfounded that any school would teach this. That is literally the biggest surprise I've had all week.
Why is that?
methane47
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One of those stories had a recent development
[Edit: Site banned? I guess I should consider the source then hmm]
Depressing
I don't recall if it was actually in any curriculum. However I recall one of my teachers being a former Black Panther party member or advocate, and teaching us a lot of the "less talked about" history of race segregation and the like.
The Black Wall Street story to this day still makes my blood boil. All of that time and dedication put towards that place to just crumble because of hatred.
It's sickening.
I don't get what you're saying. You don't agree that it's a waste of money and effort to apply brute force in helping a community overcome a tragedy and perhaps even improve their poor conditions? You can't see how wrong it is to spend an exorbiant amount of money in curtailing protests and grief, when these acts are SYMPTOMS of a disease.
It's like suppressing the cough of someone who has pneumonia while the lung remains inflamed.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...ouis-police-shooting-teen-20140811-story.html
Lmfao. Justice at work.
Because government funded schools tend to not focus on when the government fucks up.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=124987070&postcount=18151
These are soldiers not police. Yes, I see the name on his chest.
The whole point is to be intimidating, it is a show of force even though they are carrying riot guns with beanbag rounds. Depending on the situation, I would not expect them to go over there without proper equipment when rioting is going on. It's hard to put things into context when you only see pictures such as these. Then again it would not surprise me if it was a gross overreaction.
Protestor could've been antigonizing police too?
I'm going to bet most of these officers have not had experience handling protests & riots like this one. Hope it ends peacefully
You apparently had at least one fantastic teacher.
My good sir, despite not growing up rich or in a healthy community (Detroit), I wouldn't trade that experience for any other. I learned alot, and I feel that I am a better person for it.
i see that some people are comparing this to the Bundy ranch incident to show how different the reaction is. Can anyone elaborate on this? I'm not familiar with the incident to see its similarities/differences with this case.
You're completely misreading my post(s).
You're completely misreading my post(s).
Yes, but that's a human being walking down the street in a supposedly civilised country. While I understand there's some tension in the air, a squad of men with guns pointed, approaching a citizen looking like that he may be a terrorist with a handbag full of explosives is a tad excessive. It's not Fallujah in 2004.
Ok, good to know!
Slackbladder
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I wonder how many of the US Police where once in Fallujah or other zones of combat? The militarization of the civil Police has been going on for years. A Governments biggest fear is not terrorism, or disease, or nuclear war. It's their own population.
Frank Lemon
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Fat fucking chance.
jamesinclair
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This was the day after. There was no rioting during the next day. The cops were looking to incite round 2.
Yes, the police are the real victims here.
Byakuya769
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Bundy Ranch is a damn good point. Ranchers vowing to protect "their" property by use of weapons is less frightening than black people at a prayer vigil.
Were the Bundy Ranchers ever called an angry mob?
Were the Bundy Ranchers ever called an angry mob?
NYCmetsfan
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This is depressing
Phoenix
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Langston Hughes posed the question and we've seen all sorts of answers to it over the years. What we are witnessing now is the final possibility.
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