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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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I've asked countless time, where a source for this?

Is it eye witness stuff?

Two people unrelated have relayed the same story, and the events play out the same. Dorian Johnson's story states the cop approached them as they were walking back to their apartment complex. He told them to "get off the street" and they argued back that they were a minute from their home. The argument escalated from the officer, who then pulled out his gun and fired a shot from his window. At that point, Johnson fled, and hid behind a car. He then hears a second shot, and at that point, he looks out to see Michael Brown lower down and puts his arms up to surrender. The officer exits his vehicle, and shoots Brown multiple times.

A young woman relayed the same story. She states she turns the corner, and sees the officer and Brown struggling. She states that it appears Brown is attempting to pull himself away from the window, and the officer is trying to pull him in. She states it looks like they are arm wrestling. She goes to pull out her phone, and hears a shot. She then sees Brown run, and another shot is fired which clips Brown. He gets down, puts his arms up to surrender, and the cop exits his vehicle and shoots multiple times. She has video of the incident on her phone.
 
It's fucking amazing all the new posters we've acquired in this thread as soon as people are thinking there's some possibility that this kid was involved in a robbery
 
EDIT: I understand. I was completely unaware of the difference between strongarm and just simple shoplifting. This is the first I've heard of it, honestly.
 
The fact that this is being called a robbery is really starting to piss me off. He just fucking shoplifted. He didn't take any money out of the register. What the fuck is this nonsense.

Not a robbery. A STRONGARM!

Seems we have a new phrase to use to justify killing someone unarmed.
 
To some extent, even 'playing this game' with them is letting them change the narrative. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE WAS THE ONE IN THE VIDEO. They are trying to get Brown's defenders on the defensive so we stop point out this fact.

(Not yelling at you, it was for emphasis).

I haven't been keeping up with this till now, but does this somewhat discredit the eyewitnesses? Did they immediately admit to being involved in a robbery?
 
Assaulting a police officer would make you a felon.

Really need the facts to come out.

Supposedly he reached for the gun and punched the officer in the face.

If he did have his hands up and surrendering though he is not really fleeing anymore so I can't see how it would be justified.

Brown was convicted of assaulting a police officer?
 
The fact that this is being called a robbery is really starting to piss me off. He just fucking shoplifted. He didn't take any money out of the register. What the fuck is this nonsense.

He put his hands on someone at the store location. As soon as you do that, it is no longer shoplifting.
 
I don't know what's sadder, the Ferguson PD wanting to fabricate a cheap excuse to shoot Brown dead simply by listing him as a suspect, or the fact that the media will buy into this shit hook line and sinker.
It's not about proving anything or presenting actual evidence, it's about muddying the water and distracting people from the real issue.

It's crazy that we're only finding out about that Brown was a robbery suspect 6 days after the shooting.
 
What? No it doesn't.

fel·on
ˈfelən
noun
1. a person who has been convicted of a felony.

Mike Brown has no record. He's not a felon.

He has no record, but he just turned 18 no? record gets reset.

Assault on an officer is a felony. Yeah he would not be convicted at that moment but it would authorize deadly force. The question is did he surrender and did that authorization expire? Assuming he even assaulted the officer in the 1st place.
 
Two people unrelated have relayed the same story, and the events play out the same. Dorian Johnson's story states the cop approached them as they were walking back to their apartment complex. He told them to "get off the street" and they argued back that they were a minute from their home. The argument escalated from the officer, who then pulled out his gun and fired a shot from his window. At that point, Johnson fled, and hid behind a car. He then hears a second shot, and at that point, he looks out to see Michael Brown lower down and puts his arms up to surrender. The officer exits his vehicle, and shoots Brown multiple times.

A young woman relayed the same story. She states she turns the corner, and sees the officer and Brown struggling. She states that it appears Brown is attempting to pull himself away from the window, and the officer is trying to pull him in. She states it looks like they are arm wrestling. She goes to pull out her phone, and hears a shot. She then sees Brown run, and another shot is fired which clips Brown. He gets down, puts his arms up to surrender, and the cop exits his vehicle and shoots multiple times. She has video of the incident on her phone.

All is true except that last statement. She tried to get video but got too scared once the shooting started.
 
It's important to point out that regardless of the conclusion reached in the case of this shooting, the issue of the police handling the ensuing protests and anger is still incredibly important.
 
I don't give a fuck if he took ten boxes of cigars and hit the officer in the balls. You don't shoot someone with their hands in the air.
 
As I and others have said since this was released, it really doesn't matter if Brown knicked some cigars. It's a red herring.

He was gunned down in the street.
 
It's important to point out that regardless of the conclusion reached in the case of this shooting, the issue of the police handling the ensuing protests and anger is still incredibly important.

Exactly. They escalated the situation to absolutely unnecessary heights. Everybody's still going to get drilled over that.

As I and other have said since this was released, it really doesn't matter if Brown knicked some cigars. It's a red herring.

He was gunned down in the street.

Exactly. And the fact that they refused to take questions/paired it with the name of the officer should indicate to you that this is their maneuver. It's very flimsy.
 
He has no record, but he just turned 18 no? record gets reset.

Assault on an officer is a felony. Yeah he would not be convicted at that moment but it would authorize deadly force. The question is did he surrender and did that authorization expire? Assuming he even assaulted the officer in the 1st place.

If he assaulted an officer the officer would be allowed to defend himself. With a gun if necessary. But he would not be allowed to shoot an unarmed person in the back.
 
To some extent, even 'playing this game' with them is letting them change the narrative. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE WAS THE ONE IN THE VIDEO. They are trying to get Brown's defenders on the defensive so we stop point out this fact.

(Not yelling at you, it was for emphasis).

tru, tru.
 
It's crazy that we're only finding out about that Brown was a robbery suspect 6 days after the shooting.

The thing is - we are not. This was something that was mentioned during the beginning of the narrative and got swept aside until today. I believe that the police department decided to refocus it today, due to the release of the name of the police officer who shot Brown.
 
Not saying the shooting was justified, but it does show that you need to wait awhile for facts to come out before starting a riot and looting based on flimsy eye witness reports.
It was based on guns being pointed at protesters by officers in military gear..read up on it. People kept asking why rifles were being pointed at them. Why they couldn't peacefully protest without..you know what? Nevermind..
 
The fact that this is being called a robbery is really starting to piss me off. He just fucking shoplifted. He didn't take any money out of the register. What the fuck is this nonsense.
It is a robbery if those pictures are right. He stole using force. Shoplifting is trying to hide the goods and such.
 
You're under the delusion that it's simply vocal racist minorities that have our society the way it is, that is at best reductionist thinking born from not understanding the issue that plagues this country. Racists making laws and the millions upon millions of people who are completely indifferent towards these laws because "they don't see color" are the problem. It's the complacency that has allowed such injustice to becomes such a huge part of American society.

Kids playing together really in the grand scheme of things mean very little. Come back to me when they're 18+ and overwhelming believe that black people are largely responsible for their own current conditions as indicated in polls. Come back to me when these 18 year olds who are largely unaffected by the same racist post Jim Crow era laws don't do anything to change them.

Not speaking up or caring about these atrocities makes a person not much better than the vocal racist minority (and this minority is sizeable). By not simply not speaking up, one allows the atrocities to continue unabated. I just can't subscribe to the belief things are going to change when the narrative that media paints and the laws that rule this land go unchanged. In time new laws will be enacted but they serve only to obfuscate the main issue at hand. We'll still turn on the news everyday and watch as cops kill black people for simply existing; and make up a story about how they reached for the officer's gun. You have an entire political party who fights tooth and nail to keep the status quo, who did not want to repeal the 20 to 1 crack cocaine laws despite how clear as day racist they were. Who throw out so many dog whistles in regards to black people, and who blatantly do all they can to stop the President from getting anything done because of his skin color who plant seeds of stupidity in American citizens by asking about birth certificates. No one has ever asked Mitt Romney for his birth certificate, for all we know he could be fucking Russian, but this is never questioned because he is white and by proxy is "default" and unquestionably American.

These people won't be given the benefit of the doubt, their name and image will be dragged through the mud, despite the fact they are the victim it will be them who are on trial; it will be them who the media paints as the villain and will frame their deaths as justified from the get go by simply phrasing their headlines a certain way. "Black youth killed, no gang affiliation" or "Black teen shot, had prior arrest for marijuana"...as if those make their deaths okay. All the while we can have white youth who AK a school get headlines of "Youth opens fire on school—Friends state he was kindhearted and are shocked"; or how media tried to frame Elliot Rogers as some poor misguided youth. We'll continue to see people question if these deaths are a result of the black culture; while the dozens of mass shootings and other heinous acts are chalked up to "mental illnesses". They'll continue to put up the worst picture they can find and frame how they're "thugs", "delinquents", "animals". These narratives didn't happen in isolation; they're the direct effect of decades upon decades of marginalization, mistreatment and systematic abuse inflicted upon black people.

So when you tell me the youth of tomorrow are going to make it all better, I will tell you this is the same thing they said in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and things have not gotten better for black people at nearly the rate the majority. You can look at black people in the 80s and see not much has changed in our social standing in this country and the reason is the same post Jim Crow bullshit laws that were around back then are still in effect today. You want me to believe that things will get better? Show me these fucked up laws being changed, show me the for profit prison industry being dismantled, show me disproportionate arrest rates for the same crimes being evened out, show me these post Jim Crow laws being thrown out wholeheartedly; show me people who aren't naive enough to think that it's no longer a racial problem but a class problem when these laws make sure that the class most affect are comprised of black people.

What I think is going to happen is that overt racism will more and more be frowned upon while covert racism will be double downed even more (basically American society right now). I mean it's cute that people believe in that anime trope of the power of youth, but back in reality the youth will grow up largely apathetic because it doesn't affect them. They'll tackle issues that are in their face (women's rights, gay rights, etc) but black rights will be where it's been for the last 50 years because it's out of sight so out of mind.

I want to believe but reality paints a different picture.

It's 2014 and black people are still protesting the same shit from the 60s. Think about that then tell me things will/do get better.

Absolute truth right here.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI

Here's a video shot 3 or 4 days ago with Dorian Johnson explaining what happened. (Warning: Graphic language).

He denies he or Michael Brown went to the Quick Trip, as the Fugerson Market is way closer for them.

(edit: Johnson also admits they shoplifted some cigars, but that there was no call to the cops.)

The Quick Trip is what listed in the police report as the place that Mike Brown allegedly robbed.

(Side note, where's the presumption of innocence on Mike Brown's part if he is accused of stealing from a convenience store? The cops in Fugerson are already acting he's been convicted of it.)
 
Christ, at best case scenario for the cop, doesn't this mean that he happened upon a robbery suspect and had no idea? Even after the shooting report?

Btw, where's the stolen cigars anyway? I was reading some tweets asking about that.

In Cuba!

And its working. No one is even discussing the cops name being dropped.

There's not really a lot to discuss with the name, though. We'll find out more details about him in due time; that's the long game.
 
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The fact that this is being called a robbery is really starting to piss me off. He just fucking shoplifted. He didn't take any money out of the register. What the fuck is this nonsense.
2.
Law. the felonious taking of the property of another from his or her person or in his or her immediate presence, against his or her will, by violence or intimidation.

Doesn't mean he wasn't murdered.
 
In an interview with msnbc shortly after the report was released, Johnson’s lawyer confirmed that Brown had taken cigars from the store.

“We see that there’s tape, that they claim they got a tape that shows there was some sort of strong-armed robbery,” said Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney. “We need to see that tape, my client did tell us and told the FBI that they went into the store. He told FBI that he did take cigarillos, he told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”

In an interview earlier this week, Johnson described the events of the shooting but did not mention that he and Brown had been in a convenience store just before, or that Brown had stolen anything.

According to the police report, the officer who shot Brown was responding to a description provided by police dispatch searching for a suspect in the robbery nearby. The officer was identified as Darren Wilson, who is white, and has been on the police force for six years. He is currently on paid administrative leave.

So its linked. I understand. Now to focus on the actual murder and the actions that were taken.
 
I hate to admit it, but if he indeed did push a smaller, older man into a rack of items in the process of robbing him then my image of him has changed quite a bit, as has my focus on this injustice.

Is it wrong? Of course, but it's human nature.
 
We just had an officer involved shooting today where a man was killed. Man charged with a large hunting knife, officer fired 2 shots, suspect dead.
Firing 8 rounds into an unarmed man pleading for his life is a gross over use of force.
 
The PD are anxiously trying to control the info drip to frame the kid as having "deserved it". They want the public to think the officer was justified even though he executed an unarmed teenager. Even murder suspects are given a trial, but if you shoplift while being black!
 
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