Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Volimar said:
I'm surprised they haven't burned his house down yet.
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I think the actual knowledgeable protesters who care about the issues wouldn't be so dumb. The opportunist thieves who openly rob even black-owned community businesses have shown that they really don't give a fuck. They just want their free shit.


Vice is the best, IMO. Some amazingly brave journalists.
 
Infinite said:
We don't actually know that. I wouldn't be surprised if he left town before the FBI became involved. When he is charged him being tucked away by the police could become an issue of foul play. No one is being idiotic or obtuse in raising that concern. Do I expect them to be charged? Nope. Was moving the guy out of town a good move tacking his safety into consideration? Yeah. Was it illegal if he's charge? Possibly.
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It couldn't be illegal for him to leave town before he was charged. When cops on TV say "Don't leave town" after interrogating someone they're talking out of their ass. Unless you've been charged you can go where you please.

Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 4m

Cars are out of control. People are doing wheelies in the middle of the street and almost running people over. #Ferguson
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Very serious, but I read it as "cats" instead of "cars" at first and had to do a double take.
 
Volimar said:
It couldn't be illegal for him to leave town before he was charged. When cops on TV say "Don't leave town" after interrogating someone they're talking out of their ass. Unless you've been charged you can go where you please.
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If that's the case I humbly stand corrected.
 
More_Badass said:
When I wake up, really hope to see that the protesters and their perspective being shared by the news, and not the looting taking center stage
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The important thing to remember from everybody who has actually been in Ferguson tonight reporting and from what we saw on the live stream is that there were two groups of people - protestors and looters. The distinction is important and almost certain to be lost by morning.
 
The militarized riot brigade that broke up the party needs to tone their shit down. If they don't fucking get that by now, then hopefully the shop owners will explain it to them.
 
Eric WK said:
The important thing to remember from everybody who has actually been in Ferguson tonight reporting and from what we saw on the live stream is that there were two groups of people - protestors and looters. The distinction is important and almost certain to be lost by morning.
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I hope not. You could see and hear how frustrated and angry the residents and protesters were about that. Hearing it first hand, live, was really powerful

Damn, now I'm really pissed at my dad for his ignorant remarks about how everyone there is out to cause trouble, opportunists. That's not fair
 
freddy said:
I'm thinking theres gonna be a whole lot of freedom in this game but also a whole lot of frustrating "no you cant go there" scenarios. In the youtube video linked you come into contact with spaceships. Now what if I after the dogfight I followed one of these ships home. Will I find a fully fleshed out civilisation with things to do ? I doubt it. So there's going to be either spaceships and civilisations from nowhere or massive barriers.
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Hmm. I'm, uh, what?
 
Rembrandt said:
Damn, I went to sleep. Can someone fill me in on what happened? I'm guessing some people decided to riot again?
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Stream's here:
http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551

After a good while of uneventful partying and chilling, the local(?) PD showed up and made things miserable for everybody. Started with a single tear gas round that (allegedly) came from a police vehicle which then sped away. Soon after, the riot police showed up, all geared up for the apocalypse. They formed a line and demanded that everyone disperse or there would be arrests "and/or other actions" taken.

People didn't take to this so well, and they started getting angry and loud. That's where the stream picks up.

There were (allegedly) some out-of-towners there who had it in mind to start a ruckus so they could get to looting, and they seized this opportunity to do so. The looting happened for a pretty tense 5-10 minutes, followed shortly by protesters lining up to block the entrance to the storefronts in order to protect the businesses from the looters. There's some interviews with them in the stream.

Things wound down after that, AFAIK.

EDIT: I should note that a tear-gas canister was found and shown on the stream, so it should be pretty easy to tell where it come from and when it was used. The cops keep inventory of that kind of stuff, right? I mean, that's what you'd learn in basic training if you took it.
 
@theblackmurse aka @minossec

Since I was on the ground, let me clear some things up.

Most of the looters, if not all, at NOT from that community. They were outsiders, drinking and smoking, amping up.

They were opportunists. They came in cars. Seen a lot of Illinois plates as well in the cars they pulled up to loot.

Me and a bunch of people along with @AntonioFrench were guarding stores, going business to business.

And we were constantly threatened by those outsiders physical violence.

We encouraged the real protesters to go home, as the businesses aren't worth their safety from per people threatening violence.

That's the police job to protect those businesses. We prevented as much damage as we can.

I have no problem taking tear gas and a bullet from the police, but not from looters, from my own people.

And the police made it a point to antagonize the people there who came for violence and opportunity, and hence here we are.
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Check his twitter for more.
 
lednerg said:
Stream's here:
http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551

After a good while of uneventful partying and chilling, the local PD showed up and made things miserable for everybody. Started with a single tear gas round that (allegedly) came from a police vehicle which then sped away. Soon after, the riot police showed up, all geared up for the apocalypse. They formed a line and demanded that everyone disperse or there would be arrests "and/or other actions" taken.

People didn't take to this so well, and they started getting angry and loud. That's where the stream picks up.

There were (allegedly) some out-of-towners there who had it in mind to start a ruckus so they could get to looting, and they seized this opportunity to start. The looting happened for a pretty tense 5-10 minutes, followed shortly by protesters lining up to block the entrance to the storefronts. There's some interviews with them in the stream.

Things wound down after that, AFAIK.
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Thank you, I'll check the stream, too. I remember them throwing the gas/tear grenade and driving off. I have no idea why they did that, other to antagonize. Really glad to hear some protesters lined up to block entrances. It'll be very interesting to hear which side the media talks about tomorrow. Great summary, BTW
 
kehs said:
When cops do things by the book, they don't usually run out of town.
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When people have a legitimate concern for the safety of their family and themselves, it behooves them to leave whether they are innocent or not.


Infinite said:
There's no conspiracy theories in my post. Dude fucking fleed the scene his buddies in the department assisted. The tweet in question raised an interested point and is far from idiotic.
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12:01 p.m. – The officer encounters Michael Brown and a friend as they walk down a street. Brown is shot to death as a result of the encounter.

12:04 p.m. – A second officer arrives on the scene followed by a supervisor one minute later. An ambulance responding to the earlier sick person call drives by and responds to assess Brown.
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Because the officer involved in a fatal shooting should be allowed to assist in securing the area for evidence and otherwise assist in the investigation after another officer and a supervisor have arrived at the scene, three minutes later. There is no conflict of interest there.

She then said she saw the teen, hands in the air, attempt to flee. Several shots hit Brown as he ran, Crenshaw said. She complied with a request that she give photos of the scene to authorities...


...The shooting sparked a furious backlash.

Further shots were heard as police arrived immediately after the shooting but no one was injured as angry residents screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police.” More than 60 area police officers responded to the scene.
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Not only that, the officer's actions has antagonize a crowd of people. But instead of having the target of their ire removed from the area so they can hopefully restore public order, the police should ensure he sticks around regardless of the potential for further escalation.

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I think this guy needs to face justice too, but there is a difference between wanting justice and manufacturing guilt from reasonable actions.

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The shame of situations like this is you get those shit head opportunists showing up who just want anarchy.

They end up making all the protesters look bad, and it allows people's perception of the situation to become skewed. This is why MLK had it so right. If you never allow your side to look bad, you always maintain the moral high ground.
 
The general sentiment in this thread is so diametric from what I read on FB and what I hear from relatives that I am convinced the truth is somewhere in between. How can people claim that the surveillance video is not relevant? It gives is possible insight into what may have been going through the boy's mind when the cop pulled up next to him. The fact is no one really knows what transpired between the cop and the boy, but we do have video evidence of the boy outright bullying a store owner just ten minutes before. Are we really all jumping to the conclusion that this cop - who has no history of racial violence - just walked up to this kid and executed him in the street merely because he was black? I'm sorry but that is a logical leap I'm simply unwilling to make based on the evidence at hand. Lots of emotional responses in here
 
JB1981 said:
The general sentiment in this thread is so diametric from what I read on FB and what I hear from relatives that I am convinced the truth is somewhere in between. How can people claim that the surveillance video is not relevant? It gives is possible insight into what May have been going through the boy's mind when the cop pulled up next to him. The fact is no one really knows what transpired between the cop and the boy, but we so have video evidence of the boy outright bullying a store owner just ten minutes before. Are we really all jumping to the conclusion that this cop - who has no history of racial violence - just walked up to this kid and executed him in the street merely because he was black? I'm sorry but that is a logical leap I'm simply unwilling to make based on the evidence at hand. Lots of emotional responses in here
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There are multiple witnesses saying Brown ran away from the officer and was shot while running then put his hands over his head and was shot again 5-8 times. Now the initial shot during the struggle may or may not have been justified but any after he ran away and definitely after he put his hands up and stopped were not justified. Anything that happened prior to his running and putting his hands up in the air is irrelevant unless he was armed.
 
JB1981 said:
The general sentiment in this thread is so diametric from what I read on FB and what I hear from relatives that I am convinced the truth is somewhere in between. How can people claim that the surveillance video is not relevant? It gives is possible insight into what may have been going through the boy's mind when the cop pulled up next to him. The fact is no one really knows what transpired between the cop and the boy, but we do have video evidence of the boy outright bullying a store owner just ten minutes before. Are we really all jumping to the conclusion that this cop - who has no history of racial violence - just walked up to this kid and executed him in the street merely because he was black? I'm sorry but that is a logical leap I'm simply unwilling to make based on the evidence at hand. Lots of emotional responses in here
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I'm open to the possibility that he was an aggressor, or at least as aggressive as the cop was towards him. But what is absolutely inexcusable is the cop continuing to pursue and fire on him after he was already hit, and after he was attempting to surrender. I don't think those people are lying about that. I don't care if he straight punched the cop in the face through the window. That wouldn't have given the officer the right.

All hypotheticals of course, since all we have is the eye witness testimony and a pretty by the numbers police report.
 
Apt101 said:
I'm open to the possibility that he was an aggressor, or at least as aggressive as the cop was towards him. But what is absolutely inexcusable is the cop continuing to pursue and fire on him after he was already hit, and after he was attempting to surrender. I don't think those people are lying about that. I don't care if he straight punched the cop in the face through the window. That wouldn't have given the officer the right.

All hypotheticals of course, since all we have is the eye witness testimony and a pretty by the numbers police report.
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It could very well be that there was a struggle and a shot went off in the car and then the cop, in the heat of the moment, acted egregiously wrong but that doesn't prove that any of his actions were RACIALLY MOTIVATED. There is no evidence of that. None.
 
JB1981 said:
It could very well be that there was a struggle and a shot went off in the car and then the cop, in the heat of the moment, acted egregiously wrong but that doesn't prove that any of his actions were RACIALLY MOTIVATED. There is no evidence of that. None.
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More then a few bullets inside Michael Brown might.
 
dan2026 said:
So the cop shot him in the back?

What's up with that?
Who shoots an unarmed man as he is running away?
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Probably, as some others have said, a under-trained cop, adrenaline getting to him, the rage some cops have when they are trying to capture someone. He probably didn't want to run, and the part where race could come in, "It's just a black guy" in the back of anyone's mind it seem. (Key and Peele skit missing white baby vs Black baby missing).

I'm sure he would do things differently if he had another chance. Brown didn't seem to be a threat running if he supposedly wanted to get the weapon from the cop if that's what happened. At the least shoot his legs, and try to get him to surrender.
 
I'm by no means an expert on police training, but from what I gather they're trained to shoot for the body as much as they can. In any event it sounds like he shouldn't have been shooting at him once the guy was standing there with his hands up anyways.

Edit: or running away, wounded
 
BBboy20 said:
1) Shoot to kill.
2) WTF!?
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Oops I meant at the most* shoot the legs if he really felt the need to shoot at all. I don't actually think he should have been firing at a j-walker. Resisting arrest may warrant the taser, actual fighting to get away and running unarmed = chase with backup cutting him off.
 
The whole "don't go for my gun" thing these cops pull is bullshit. Most cops wear tension holsters that an untrained citizen like Mike Brown wouldn't easily be able to figure out. I'm not saying its impossible but it's unlikely.
 
Ploid 3.0 said:
Oops I meant at the most* shoot the legs if he really felt the need to shoot at all. I don't actually think he should have been firing at a j-walker. Resisting arrest may warrant the taser, actual fighting to get away and running unarmed = chase with backup cutting him off.
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I've never fired a gun in my life but ibdoubt its easy to shoot a dudes legs as he's walking/running away. He can't just keep firing until he hits. Plus even if he does hit he could still hit a major artery.

He should have just not fired at all and not been a complete bastard.
 
Apt101 said:
I'm by no means an expert on police training, but from what I gather they're trained to shoot for the body as much as they can. In any event it sounds like he shouldn't have been shooting at him once the guy was standing there with his hands up anyways.

Edit: or running away, wounded
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It just seem weird that he would shoot him when he stopped running. Did he think he had a weapon? Did he feel nervous when he raised his hands and shot to kill? Did he have a reason to want him dead (dead men can't testify), maybe he felt he wouldn't have to explain the other bullets especially if his cop friends helped him, but now the media is very focused on it.

Questions questions.
 
BronsonLee said:
Nothing he says matters if the autopsy report shows more than one bullet wound. Hell, his statement right now is going against 4 eyewitnesses all reporting the same thing.
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I don't know why it hasn't come out but I know someone has the full incident recorded. That's the first instinct nowadays.
 
Only a page since I went to sleep? I guess that's a good sign, means the situation had been uneventful

So how has the media done the right thing, showed the good protestors and all the other interviews from last night?
 
CrankyJay said:
The whole "don't go for my gun" thing these cops pull is bullshit. Most cops wear tension holsters that an untrained citizen like Mike Brown wouldn't easily be able to figure out. I'm not saying its impossible but it's unlikely.
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Yeah, and frankly I don't care if he went for your gun, once he was fleeing your vicinity without your gun, he was no longer a threat to you. You don't get to kill him as punishment for trying to grab your gun, if that even happened in the first place.
 
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