I support the protests. But looting shouldn't be used as a threat to influence the justice system. This is a unique circumstance and the local and federal authorities need time. In these situations the charging of the individual is the trial. When cops arrest a cop, the charge is everything. When he is charged, he will be found guilty.
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Why not just kill one and frame it like the police did it? Great plan!
Even if he reached for the officer's weapon, and that remains a big if, nothing explains why the cop would shoot him again and again after he put his hands in the air and fell to his knees, and then again and again after he fell to the ground. Multiple witnesses told matching stories (including the time-stamped one on Twitter) that claimed this series of events after whatever happened at the car. What reason would the police have to not release the coroner's report already if in fact he had only been shot once when he may or may not have reached for the weapon?
Probably not. The media is going hard because they treated reporters like shit recently, so they have a grudge.
everyday math
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Well, before I went to work they did.
MorisUkunRasik
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Guilty cops have walked free plenty of times, I'm sure an innocent one could represent himself and walk...
I think the protesters would at least like to hear how far along the investigation is and when they can reasonablly expect action.
I think the protesters would at least like to hear how far along the investigation is and when they can reasonablly expect action.
To me it sounded like he was hoping for a member of the press to get killed.
That's fucked up I don't care what.
Saint Gregory
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It always kind of surprises me, although I guess that it shouldn't, how easy it is to look at crime statistics and come to the conclusion that black people in the Unites States commit a disproportionate amount of crimes as opposed to he common sense conclusion that poor people in any society will commit a disproportionate amount of crimes and in the United States black people are living disproportionately in poverty.
That's only part of the problem though. Another problem is the fact that activities poor peoples are more likely to engage in are the coincidentally the same activities that are more likely to be criminalized. I'm not talking about stuff like theft and murder, which require no laws to let people know that they are crimes, I'm talking more about stuff like selling contraband items.
I remember back in 2012 I was watching a long interview with Mitt Romney where he explained to the reporter how he managed to amass his fortune. I asked myself then "how is even half the things he just described legal?". But people never question the activities of the rich, they're only worried about what poor people do.
Did you read anything else I wrote, or did you think you were going to get some sort of cutie off?
Media attention is the only thing that will get the attention of the rest of the world on the situation. As we've seen with Al Jazzera and Australian news. No one frankly cares that black people are getting wooden pellets to the face. But when media is attacked, they feel attacked as the body of media. They have a level of pressure that black people alone can't put to the feet of the system. If the media wasn't hit to begin with, this wouldn't be news. And even more people who have already made their mind up about Brown being a thug would come to the same conclusion.
What is your experience with the attempt to get the message of your minority people heard by others? Are you a minority? Do you understand that people brush off your attempts to bring attention to injustice in a country?
I know, I know.. you're all excited because you think someone is calling for irrational violence against people. Well, no. You're wrong. Irrational violence has already happend from the PD, and I hope it continues to illustrate just how horrible the entire system dealing with this instance, are. I don't find anything wrong with saying that I hope members of the media, are treated the same way that the Negroes have been in America. That way, maybe people can actually see whats going on. When its coming from some dude on HUFFPO saying he was assaulted for no reason. Guess what friendo, its been happening to a lot of people this identical way.
The media is the only strength this entire situation has. Surely you understand this.
More_Badass
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But the looting isn't being used for that. It's just assholes who come in and take advantage of the situation. The live stream last night showed that, the protesters were very frustrated and angry about that
Bam Bam Baklava
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You're expressing a desire for someone innocent to be killed bro. Stop and think about that for one second.
Alligatorjandro
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People care more about the looting than the teenager who was killed.
Ah, the "you with us or against us" mentality.
Seriously, wishing for violence to occur is sick. I don't care what you say.
It's fucked up, but he has a point. If a member of the press got killed, it would get way more attention than any black person being murdered there would get.
According to Hey_it's_that_dog, "A collection of incidents are not in themselves evidence for the rationale behind (if any) or causes of those incidents. This is basic logic. No amount of data simply counting occurrences can be used as evidence for a specific cause. It's evidence that (something has occurred) vs. evidence why."
Made me look twice.
You don't get play by plays of investigations. It's frankly stupid to think you would. Maybe a targeted completion date. Maybe. But then giving a date you don't end up meeting makes everything worse. At best you would get a "the investigation is proceeding" line.
Absolute bullshit.
The violence occurring from the PD, i hope hits the journalists as well. So they can get the word out to the world. The violence from the fucking PD is sick.
I said that I hope that the media is included in the harassment that the protesters are getting. Again, I see what you guys are all rushing over your keyboards to type. But thats not me. Ill say it again. I hope that the media gets abused, so that the world can know what the protesters are dealing with. As the voice for minorities/african american is a insignificant one, compared to the voice of the journalists at the Washington Times, Huffington Post, and Al Jazzera.
I hope they get hit with the tear gas grenades that the children are getting hit with equally. I hope they then write it down and report it later so the world can see it. Because it will be more significant coming from them.
We all get your point. We're just telling you it's kind of fucked up.
Why not have kids get hit by pellets instead? It would generate even more sympathy!
CrimsonCommie
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What about the corruption of the people in power the last few hundred years?
Thread's going evil places.
Nixon is and always has been a fucking idiot.
Spring-Loaded
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It's hard not to sympathize with that point. The abuse from law enforcement has happened already, people have gotten shot with rubber/wooden bullets, tear gassed, Etc. If that's going to happen, then I would hope it gets documented and taken seriously by society at large. Unfortunately — going by past days' events — it seems for it to be documented/taken seriously, it has to happen to media too.
Nah, you guys are knee jerk posting with some bullshit that you think I'm sitting here calling for violence. Thats absurd. I said that I hope the violence continues to be illustrated by the media. Meaning that they are affected by it, as that is the only strong force to bring any sort of resolution to this situation. As we've seen in this thread, and on our facebooks. The narrative has been set. Brown deserved to die because he shoved someone.
That narrative is harder to force feed people when you have members of the media highlighting how horrible this situation has been handled. Its not just the blacks complaining about it, its the entire media community (Which has seem to draw the wagons since their own was attacked)
Please, don't insult me with this nonsense about wishing ill on people. The ill is already happening, I just pray that it happens in a way to highlight the problems to the rest of the world.
The pathetic attempts to paint me as some sort of person wishing violence on innocent people is absolutely absurd. I've been very clear with what I said. The word needs to get out on how this whole situation was handled. That word coming from blacks alone doesn't mean much in 2014, in America.
Yes, I hope that when the police abuse the civilians, reporters who can document it will be involved. I hope to god they are. People have already been shot/maimed by the PD. Just saying that next time it happens, I hope theres a press badge that can highlight the issue. As its significant.
We had posters celebrating and advocating the release of the wrong name in order to blackmail the authorities under the threat and even actual harm of the innocent and wrongly named and that person's family.
MorisUkunRasik
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The closest thing anyone has gotten is 'the investigation is not my task' during press conferences about clamping down on protestors. They're doing everything wrong so far.
The delay in charges is also a big reason for resentment. Take the badge out of the equation and he would have been in custody (usually) by now.
Never said that was not an issue. It isn't mutually exclusive.
Antonio French's Twitter is probably your best bet regarding the looting and events from last night (https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench).
Recently, there was a press conference to announce a curfew of 12am-5am and continue to ignore the community's plea for justice in charging the officer who murdered Michael Brown.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Sorry I'm so pathetic that I hope the violence stops and that no one else gets hurt.
GameGuru59
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"Don't be surprised when your chickens come home to roost."
That press conference was great because Nixon got a full airing of just how tired and pissed off the black community is about this shit. When the man said, "If one of yall got shot by one of us, we'd be in jail right now!" he was 100% correct. Yet many people in America continue to be surprised when black people are angry, or point out uncomfortable truths... very strange. It's like people aren't listening.
Jacksinthe
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Posting late by holy fuck was that conference a bag of shit. I feel like I'm in the fucking twilight zone. We have multiple witness accounts to a straight up murder and this nut is bugging about curfew. Just process the damned officer who shot Brown, already. Take witness testimony into account and get the fuck going. Dude threw up his arms to surrender, was gunned down and this shitbag is here to talk about curfew.
My heart is fucking sinking.
My heart is fucking sinking.
And this gets swept under the rug and forgotten about like the numerous other black people that were murdered.
It is a different situation though. When a department charges a member of its own department it is only after a significant and detailed investigation. Rightly or wrongly, it is different and the majority of the burden is shifted from the trial to the pre-charge investigation. We can criticize that all charges aren't as thoroughly vetted, but when it is a member of your own department, this is the way it is. I feel this would be the same in any jurisdiction, be it the FBI, DOJ, DC PD, whatever.
This is like what Israel imagines every Hamas meeting as. People are literally trying to discuss the PR benefits of human shields.
MorisUkunRasik
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Correct me if I'm wrng but from what we heard it's not the same department anymore. The FBI is handling the investigation now.
That aside it would still only seem as the officer getting preferential treatment in the face of tremendous evidence. The Chief even came out and speculated in his favor and laid himself as a witness to his character. It's fucked up.
luckygodzilla
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Yeah no kidding, this thread is turning out all shades of ugly.
Okay. That has nothing to do with what's happening in America and has been happening for several years. It might sound harsh, but he's absolutely correct. Sorry if some of you #FFFFF people don't like hearing something uncomfortable coming from people that have been continuously treated like shit and ignored when they try to discuss it.
GameGuru59
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And then bombs them, to give them exactly what they want... to illustrate just exactly how monsterous they really are.
CrimsonCommie
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The FBI is investigating civil rights violations. The murder investigation is still led by local authorities.
milquetoast
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Yes and they are going door-to-door now. Not sure if they are trying to help or trying to show people "you want our attention, you got it. But we might knock on your door at any moment..."
I thought it was two separate investigations.
It seemed to me there were multiple investigations. Which only adds to the complexity and the time needed.
DrForester
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Curfew is probably a good idea.
Though I have to know, what happens to people with late night jobs?
Though I have to know, what happens to people with late night jobs?
This is what it seems to be devolving into anywhere there's mention of this story in any way. People for whatever reason think that just because he robbed a store of cigarettes and then was gunned down for entirely different reasons he was a thug and deserved it, like any other story. It absolutely sickens me. These people are hypocrites and would be up in arms if that was their child. But no, they just want the news to stop reporting on this because they're sick of hearing it. Well guess what, they'll hear about a similar case in a few weeks again because THEY CONTINUE TO LET THOSE RESPONSIBLE GET AWAY.
Jmanunknown
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I understand being upset with the delay with the charges but, that is just the way it is in police shootings like this. In a similar case to this one the Andy Lopez incident out in California it took nine months for the prosecutor to say their would no charges for the cop who killed him in that incident. The anger should be directed toward the police in this case breaking the law to protect one of their own instead of enforcing it like they are supposed to do because it is their job.
Chie Satonaka
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Fixed that for you!
Spring-Loaded
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Uh, a teenager getting executed and a week of BS-ing from law enforcement is plenty ugly. It's a "chicken or the egg" situation. You can admonish the looting, yet you can't without always acknowledging what brought it about.
Violence has been occurring, it is occurring and it will continue to occur. You've got one person who outwardly said they want media to be right there when it happens so it gets the coverage it deserves because, seemingly, it's not notably "ugly" when a kid gets shot for no good reason.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What he's saying is not wrong. The media would draw more attention to this and be more critical if one of their own was shot and/or maimed. I'm saying wishing for that to happen to anyone is wrong. I don't care what justification you have for it. It's wrong to wish that upon another innocent human being.
JacksUsername
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At least 29 journalists have died in international incidents this year. Gaza, Ukraine, Iraq, etc. Sure it's not in the US, but the point remains that the world didn't stop when they died; media coverage pretty much stayed where it was at with perhaps a small of spike for a day or two, and then most people moved onto the next story. Wishing violence to happen around or to members of the press is not a healthy outlook to have and will not somehow change the minds of the ignorant. It would achieve nothing but possibly more violence.
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