Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Mumei said:
Battlezone, thanks for posting that video. I just watched it a few minutes ago (saw your post earlier in the thread).

Do you know if it Is unusual for there not to be updates at this point? My knee-jerk reaction is that I'd prefer that the investigation run its course (with oversight and an independent investigation by the FBI) than to have regular status updates on where they currently stand with the investigation.

Edit: Ah, thanks. I hadn't checked the OP for updates.
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Communications regarding the investigation of the officer have been pretty much nonexistent. It's also crazy that a state of emergency has been declared, but there are absolutely no details for citizens on the Ferguson website: http://www.fergusoncity.com/
and it seems like the Missouri state site is down: http://www.mo.gov/

The situation is so messed up as it is, but the the piss-poor communication from state officials and police is making it that much more tense.
 
BHZ Mayor said:
I just googled this guy to see who he is, and I came across the site he writes for, the Blackasphere or something like that. I remember coming across it once about a year or so ago, and I honestly thought it was a parody site. It still reads like one, but nope, it's real.
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I always wonder how self hating types like him come about though. I have run into a few IRL but goddam there are a fuck of a lot of them on the internet. Do they not realize they are Black or something?
 
Amnesty International statement on the curfew:

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Don't know if it's been posted.
 
abadguy said:
I always wonder how self hating types like him come about though. I have run into a few IRL but goddam there are a fuck of a lot of them on the internet. Do they not realize they are Black or something?
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They think they can be let in the club, not knowing they'll only ever be the entertainment and never a member.
 
Mumei said:
Do you know if it Is unusual for there not to be updates at this point? My knee-jerk reaction is that I'd prefer that the investigation run its course (with oversight and an independent investigation by the FBI) than to have regular status updates on where they currently stand with the investigation.
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Any criminal action will be initiated via a grand jury which has the case under investigation. Grand Jury investigations are always secret and cannot not be commented on publicly, I suppose there could be exceptions to that that I am unfamilar with. There is a parallel FBI investigation into civil rights abuses. Presumably the FBI will provide whatever evidence they uncover to the grand jury to aid in their investigation. There is a push to take the prosecution away from the county prosecuting attorney and give it to the state AG who would appoint a special prosecutor to handle everything (which would include grand jury interactions)-the prosecuting attorney has made a few questionable comments. This grand jury will likely not make a decision until after the autopsy is finished which is being held up by the toxicology report. The grand jury was convened (or assigned the case), I believe, Thursday or Friday, but I do not know how often they meet or for how long. So, IMHO, it could take quite a while for this to be sorted out and charged. I'm not familiar with the grand jury protocol in this jurisdiction, but in mine you would likely have all of the witnesses brought in to testify directly before the GJ and to lay out all of the evidence which would take a considerable amount of time to do.
 
Indicate said:
Here's the dialogue in exact quotes from a few minutes ago thanks to pvr. lol.

Kevin Jackson: "The problem is these kids don't have jobs, their parents have no jobs. They are struggling to get the basic stuff out of life"

Poppy (CNN): "What do you mean? ...wait...what do you mean these kids? We're talking about Ferguson, were talking about Michael Brown who just graduated from highschool, was going onto college, did not have a criminal record. Taking specifically about this, sir.

Kevin Jackson: *Laughs* "Poppy, everytime you are talking about Michael Brown you want to make him a choir boy. There are no choir boys in the ghetto."

Poppy (CNN): "I never said that. To be fair I never said that."

Jackson then continues talking about how people say Mike "was the best thing since sliced bread" (lmfao) then reintroduces the word choir boy.
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Not surprised at his comments. Look at the company he keeps.

Jackson is a highly sought national speaker, and he has graced the stage with luminaries as Sarah Palin, Neal Boortz, Herman Cain, Judge Napolitano, and Andrew Breitbart, to name a few.

In addition to his Amazon best-selling Sexy Brilliance … and other Political Lies and The BIG Black Lie, Jackson is a regular on the Glenn Beck show, writes his almost daily blog, is a contributing writer to BigGovernment, American Thinker, and his work has been featured in Townhall magazine.

Jackson hosts a radio show and does many guest appearances on some of the more prominent conservative radio shows around the country.[/url]
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JacksUsername said:
Communications regarding the investigation of the officer have been pretty much nonexistent. It's also crazy that a state of emergency has been declared, but there are absolutely no details for citizens on the Ferguson website: http://www.fergusoncity.com/
and it seems like the Missouri state site is down: http://www.mo.gov/

The situation is so messed up as it is, but the the piss-poor communication from state officials and police is making it that much more tense.
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Random Painted HIghway said:
Any criminal action will be initiated via a grand jury which has the case under investigation. Grand Jury investigations are always secret and cannot not be commented on publicly, I suppose there could be exceptions to that that I am unfamilar with. There is a parallel FBI investigation into civil rights abuses. Presumably the FBI will provide whatever evidence they uncover to the grand jury to aid in their investigation. There is a push to take the prosecution away from the county prosecuting attorney and give it to the state AG who would appoint a special prosecutor to handle everything (which would include grand jury interactions)-the prosecuting attorney has made a few questionable comments. This grand jury will likely not make a decision until after the autopsy is finished which is being held up by the toxicology report. The grand jury was convened (or assigned the case), I believe, Thursday or Friday, but I do not know how often they meet or for how long. So, IMHO, it could take quite a while for this to be sorted out and charged. I'm not familiar with the grand jury protocol in this jurisdiction, but in mine you would likely have all of the witnesses brought in to testify directly before the GJ and to lay out all of the evidence which would take a considerable amount of time to do.
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Thanks for the information. I wasn't aware of exactly how the process went, but I guess I wasn't too far off about my expectations for release of information.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Also, how many times have you heard an urban call someone a "honkey" or "cracker" or "white fool" before the guns come out? Now, my neighbor? He saw *lowers voice* a black guy *raises voice* walking down the sidewalk obviously staring into cars and when my neighbor told him to stop or he'd call the police, this *lowers voice* black guy *raises voice* suddenly called him a "white racist Em-Effer!!"

You don't hear about that on the news, now do you!?!?!?
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Don't want to derail this, but eh, I was called a cracker when three guys attempted to carjack me (car was at a stop due to mechanical troubles and wouldn't run, hence "attempted), called a cracker by a guy who thought it would be funny to pretend to sick his pitbull on me, called the same by a guy who tried to shake me by feigning a punch to see if I'd flinch. As I said, I don't want to derail this or argue that cracker is on the level with the n word, but I'm not sure I understand what your sarcasm is getting at.
 
Mumei said:
Thanks for the information. I wasn't aware of exactly how the process went, but I guess I wasn't too far off about my expectations for release of information.
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It is can be an unsatisfying process to both victims and the accused, due to the interminable length between the initial accusation and the issuance of a true or no bill and the intervening silence.
 
CrimsonCommie said:
That guy is disgusting. Why did they let him on the air? Do you really need a racist viewpoint to make the news "fair and balanced"?
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That's how the media operates. They knew about this dude before putting him on TV, they knew what he'd probably say.

There's fair and balanced, and then there's going overboard. They did the latter.
 
Johnson lost a lot of my respect. Makes excuses why he didn't send help to quell the looting. Good people could have died as many looters were borderline violent and ready to attack people.
 
Now that the name has been released I bet dirt will be dug up that reveals more than

"a gentle, quiet man" who had been "an excellent officer."
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Because lord knows they're not going to admit they had a timebomb and dangerous man on the force.

That narrative again.

Possible thief vs excellent officer.
 
Byakuya769 said:
"Hey nigger, I'm going to kill you because you're a nigger. I said nigger because you're black. By black, I mean you look like you're of Sub-Saharan African descent. This is purely about your race. I hate you. Nigger."

Something like that. Otherwise, there is always going to be some lame ass narrative that some will find it so fulfilling to manufacture in order to downplay our systemic problem.
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They'd say he was just joking.

Re Kevin Jackson:

He's a racist who believes in white supremacy. He believes he's inferior to white people but somehow "better than those other blacks" and so does his best to kiss up to white people. Kind of like Clarence Thomas and others of those ilk. "Did I tell 'em good, massa, did I?" That's how he is. Disgusting.
 
antonz said:
Johnson lost a lot of my respect. Makes excuses why he didn't send help to quell the looting. Good people could have died as many looters were borderline violent and ready to attack people.
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A reporter said Johnson was asked by community leaders to try not to employ riot cops last night.
 
antonz said:
Johnson lost a lot of my respect. Makes excuses why he didn't send help to quell the looting. Good people could have died as many looters were borderline violent and ready to attack people.
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Damned if you do damned if you don't.

He's doing what he can to keep from escalating things.
 
Devolution said:
Now that the name has been released I bet dirt will be dug up that reveals more than



Because lord knows they're not going to admit they had a timebomb and dangerous man on the force.

That narrative again.

Possible thief vs excellent officer.
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WaPo: Here’s what has been reported so far about Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson

Wilson is 28 years old, and his mother died when he was 16. (The Washington Post)

He was an honor roll student at St. Charles High School near Ferguson in ninth and 10th grade. (The Washington Post)

He lives in Crestwood, Mo., “a mostly white city of 11,000 people about 18 miles southwest of mostly black Ferguson.” (The Washington Post)

He is divorced and lives with a fellow police officer, Barbara Spradling. (New York Times)

Wilson was recognized for “extraordinary effort in the line of duty” in February. “Greg Kloeppel, a lawyer for the union representing Ferguson police officers, confirmed the commendation that Officer Wilson received, but he declined to provide information about what kind of person the officer is or any details about his life.” (New York Times)

Wilson has been a police officer for six years and has no prior disciplinary record.
Neighbors say Wilson left town several days ago. (Washington Post)

Wilson’s friend Jake Shepard told CNN that Wilson has “huge heart” and that if he killed Brown then “at that moment in time, he was scared for his life.” (CNN)

Wilson’s father, John Wilson, may have written a Facebook status four days ago that said: “Dear FB friends, Our family is in need for prayers to be sent up for a family member. Circumstances do not allow for us to say anything further. Please pray with our family in mind. Put a covering of protection over our family member please.” The Facebook account has since been taken down. (Yahoo News)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-reported-so-far-about-officer-darren-wilson/
 
An important note: it's literally impossible for Ferguson police to make a statement that Wilson was never involved in an abuse of force scenario, because for at least the first two years he was on the force, any such reports went only into the case file without a copy going into the officer's own personnel file.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...erguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.

“Everything involved in an incident would generally be with the police report,” Moonier said. “I don’t know what they maintain in personnel files.”
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That's an important article on how the PD in Ferguson was run. Lubricus posted it the other day: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125566760&postcount=8300
 
Objectivity of prosecutor in Missouri shooting of Michael Brown is questioned

Dooley’s spokeswoman, Pat Washington, said there have been long-standing concerns among many black leaders in the community regarding County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch’s ability to handle such cases because his father was killed in the line of duty when McCulloch was 12 years old. The man who shot his father was black.

Most recently, she said, Dooley feels McCulloch crossed a line when he publicly criticized a decision this week by Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon (D) to bring in the State Highway Patrol to lead efforts to quell the violent street protests that erupted after the shooting of Brown.

“He injected himself in a matter in a way that further exacerbates the community distrust of him,” Washington said. “Rather than stay focused on the investigation, the prosecuting attorney decided to wade over into a whole other area and challenge the governor. He inflamed the community, which already distrusts him.”

Washington said Dooley had called the state attorney general’s office to determine how a special prosecutor could be appointed in place of McCulloch and was told there was a petition process for doing so, which he is looking into. Dooley was planning to meet Friday night with several local and state elected officials who Washington said have voiced similar concerns about McCulloch, but she declined to identify who would be at the private meeting.

Ed Magee, a McCulloch spokesman, said his office believes the county prosecutor cannot be removed from the case.

“There is no petition process,” Magee said. “We are working with the county police. We will continue to work with them if it proceeds to the grand jury and beyond if necessary.”

Magee declined to comment further about Dooley’s accusations.

McCulloch has been the St. Louis County prosecutor for more than 20 years, and during that time has been involved with a support group called BackStoppers, which helps the families of police officers killed in the line of duty.

The prosecutor’s father, Paul McCulloch, was a St. Louis police officer when he was gunned down July 2, 1964, at age 37 while trying to arrest a kidnapper. He had answered a call by an officer in need of assistance at a housing complex and died in a shootout. One of the shooters was wounded and was later convicted of murder.

This is not the first time McCulloch’s objectivity has been questioned because of how his father died.

In July 2000, questions were raised about his leading an investigation into two white police officers who fatally shot two black men. The two officers, undercover drug agents, shot Earl Murray and Ronald Beasley, both unarmed, on June 12, 2000, in the parking lot of a fast-food restaurant in the St. Louis suburb of Berkeley. A county grand jury declined to indict the officers; McCulloch said he agreed with the decision.

“My father was killed many, many years ago, and it’s certainly not something you forget, but it’s certainly not something that clouds my judgment in looking at a case,” McCulloch told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch at the time. “It certainly makes you more aware of the severity of it.”
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That's...interesting. I'm not sure how to internalize that.

On one hand it seems very unfair to question people who suffered a traumatic event for having suffered a traumatic event, but on the other hand I can't imagine anyone would be able to be objective in a situation like that.
 
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