Please define burglary tools.
Also, the quantity and value of jewelry would be helpful but the focus should be on the burglary tools.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Also, the quantity and value of jewelry would be helpful but the focus should be on the burglary tools.
Suction cup, with sharp thing that you cut glass with?
From what I gathered of the Twitter users discussing it, they were more concerned in thinking that the police edited the video to make it look worse than what actually happened.
I'm sorry if bringing it up was not a good idea. They seemed to think that was important and are actually there in Ferguson.
I am in complete agreement that, robbery or not, none of it has any bearing in how completely wrong and unjust the killing of Michael Brown was.
I'm sorry if bringing it up was not a good idea. They seemed to think that was important and are actually there in Ferguson.
I am in complete agreement that, robbery or not, none of it has any bearing in how completely wrong and unjust the killing of Michael Brown was.
Like I posted earlier , that's just stuff that came out during the case. They never really elaborated about that.
You can see a similar pattern to this case though.
Isn't the point being made about the robbery was Brown's state of mind about the encounter with the police? That he knew he had just committed a crime and that affected how this contact with the police went.
If you or I committed a crime and 15 minutes later a squad car rolled up on us I don't think it's a stretch to say that would be something that would be weighing on the conversation we are about to have with the police.
Not saying that what happened was right but there is a connection in that sense.
Saint Gregory
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As long as there's a segment of the American public willing to believe that any black man is capable of any heinous atrocity on a whim then there's no hope for any semblance of justice or equality for any of us.
If you're talking about the pattern of character assassination and victim blaming then yeah, it's definitely the same pattern.
I'm also imagining some apparatus that allows him to listen in on the clicks of a lock.
Maybe something to cut through a solid steel lock?
I really want to know what burglary tools he had.
I'll answer it for you: It was a screwdriver.
They never elaborated on it because they knew that if they said what it was that people would scratch their heads and say: "What? That's it?"
Nope. They don't even care about the abuse from the PD, it's history of charging a man for bleeding on their uniform. Aiming sniper rifles at protesters. ..
Just "well don't do the crime.."
……forgetit
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Do we know what the autopsy said? If he has multiple bullet wounds in his back, then that's the end of it. The cop killed him execution style. He could have stolen 15 new cars for all I care.
milquetoast
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googleplex
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So in this contrived scenario, because Brown allegedly stole some cigarettes, he MIGHT have rushed an armed police officer?
Your kidding me with this right?
bob_arctor
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That's less of a connection imo and more like a really long fucking reach.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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There's a reason the DoJ was pissed about the police department releasing the video. People are still fixating on the
Saint Gregory
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Hey, people also bought that Trayvon Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman by bashing his head against the sidewalk because... wait, why was Trayvon trying to kill Zimmerman again?
At some point I need to look up where black men rank in the Marvel Universe. I'm thinking that it's somewhere between the Living Tribunal and the Hulk.
And master thief is soo stressed and so nervous and unpredictable about the heist of a lifetime..
He's walking in the middle of a street....
And all witness say he was running when he was shot...
But can't trust any witness testimony. Because reasons..
But trust all 100% speculation over the most likely scenario, with this PD and their history.
Can't trust police word because he ran away from the scene.
Chief stated officer had no idea about the robbery.so brown just got nervous and attacked the officer in what he surely would have known is a fight to the death.
Yet he was running.
In flip flops...
People buy this all because he's a black. Proof is in the fact that no responsibility is on the inept PD. It's all just questions of browns jungle strength and lack of cunning, powers.
People bought it because there was an eyewitness that saw him on top (by identifying clothes) and the forensic evidence supported him being shot from below. Nobody knows what exactly led up to that, but that is the key part of it being self defense.
Some people want to believe Brown attacked a cop for no reason and some believe he was just straight up shot without any justification. The truth is somewhere in the the middle.
Please tell me where I said any such thing? Please quote exactly where I said he rushed police officer?
I said that's why its being brought up. Not that it is right or correct. Thats the connection thats being made and will be made by the police department. Do you guys know how to not project your bullshit on people?
Can't wait to see how you twist this.
milquetoast
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It was obviously a suicide by cop type situation guys. That's why he rushed the officer
People bought: that he had no DNA on his hands from Zimmerman. Nor was his DNA on zimb gun. Yet Trayvon was simultaneously betting his head in, covering his mouth, and going for his gun.
That is what was presented.
no thanks.
There is only one conclusion that your speculation would lead to, considering the facts, is that browns attitude had to do with him attacking an officer and stealing his gun. Unless you're saying that his attitude had nothing to do with the altercation.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Why is it taking so long for them to release what happened? We have the shop owner's view on what happened (irrelevant to the shooting but it's there) and we have multiple eye witnesses who saw what happened.
You'd have to be incredibly naive to believe shit isn't being doctored and changed at this point, unless you honestly think it should take over a week to piece together what should be a fairly simple shooting in broad daylight
You'd have to be incredibly naive to believe shit isn't being doctored and changed at this point, unless you honestly think it should take over a week to piece together what should be a fairly simple shooting in broad daylight
Man, I can't wait to start my "Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood" thread so I can link it here.
So either you've never seen it or you are simply incapable of noting the tragedy of that film being no less true or relevant twenty-five fucking years on right down to the line regarding the mayor's office being more concerned with property damage and looting than the murder of a black man by a police officer.
Oldschoolgamer
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I'm not speculating anything. Someone asked what the connection was that people kept claiming about the killing and the robbery. I repeated that claim. That claim somehow became mine. People jump to wild conclusions. Par for the course.
Only opinion I had is if I committed a crime and the police rolled up on me I would be nervous as shit and it would affect me and the cop would pick up on that too which would affect him. I didn't project my own opinion into thats the facts! Brown must have reacted violently!
Is there a link to the shop owner's account of what happened?
Saint Gregory
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You seemed to miss the key part in the point I was trying to raise. What was Trayvon's motive to want to kill Zimmerman? Why wasn't it just as plausible that they were struggling after Zimmerman attempted some kind of foolish citizens arrest and in the process he bumped his head? Without even getting into why the other eye witnesses who saw the struggle differently were ignored the main question I asking is why is it assumed that black men are trying to kill their eventual killers without any apparent motive?
In all of these case these black men are unarmed so why are they assumed to be the aggressors?
HP_Wuvcraft
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There are also a shitload of people in this country that think simply committing a crime is a death sentence.
Look at some of the comments people made about Eric Garner and his "criminal empire".
Jason's Ultimatum
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Yup. I was arguing with someone at work about it. He kept saying how Brown robbed a store and pushed the employee. It was like he was trying to say, yeah, he deserved to be shot.
But did you have to link it without an explanation? For all I know it was an important post from a few pages back that everybody missed. Instead it's a thread that you started, and you wanted other people to join in on it.
More_Badass
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Saw this on Antonio French's Twitter. A lot of powerful images
http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimed...tml_24b2b105-90e3-5ef0-9c65-769e848c0d31.html
http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimed...tml_24b2b105-90e3-5ef0-9c65-769e848c0d31.html
milquetoast
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I have this on me at all times. Guess in comparison that makes me a master burglar.
Ok I have to order me one of these bad boys right now.
Edit: great. Top of the page.
The fuck does this have to do with this thread? Why not just say go see X movie for Y reason instead?
DNA is not magic. It can prove a positive that something happened but the lack of is not definite proof.
The whole sequence of events when that case happened is similar because a lot of early information was just plain wrong. A white man killed a black boy, shot him multiple times. Once more evidence came out, it was a lot more murkier. Some people still believe stuff that came out of the first news reports that were proven wrong.
Not to get off topic.
This case is only a week old and because of the internet it seems longer than that and people demand answers right away. The truth will come out and all that will really matter is what gets presented at the trial. It just might not appease people now.
lazorexplosion
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Except we aren't talking about any black man are we? The guy was a whole ten minutes off of aggressively shoving a shopkeeper around while brazenly robbing him in broad daylight. Is that also the act of any black man, or is it just possible that this one is openly aggressive and completely disrespectful of the law.
I don't want to interrupt the canonization of Saint Brown, patron of saint of any black man, but maybe he's kind of a thug?
I mean the guy didn't deserve to be shot, but holy shit, that leap from people publicly talking about how this guy just committed a felony not ten minutes before his confrontation with the police straight into rhetoric about people vilifying all black people.
Are they guys looting and burning the Quick Trip in protest innocent protester being unjustly smeared too in your world?
GameGuru59
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That's what I'm guessing happened. Remember, to get Rellos (and other tobacco products) you have to ask the shop owner to get them for you. So its not like he just snuck out with them. He probably paid for them (hard to tell, but I doubt he would try to steal fucking Rellos, when they're a product widely available, and cheap)- but didn't have ID, or any type of ID that was acceptable. Because he was walking and didn't have a car, he probably thought: "well, I'm 18, and if the police stop me, we'll just sort it out at home." In other words, he didn't feel like walking all the way back to Ferguson Market just to buy some Rellos. He gets into an argument with the shopkeeper, and pushes him on his way out (as shown on the other video). Perhaps he broke the law, but hardly worthy of the brand "thug." More like a young, inexperienced, hardheaded teenager.
Also, if this video is real (no reason to doubt that it is), it's VERY bad for the Ferguson PD. This is the type of shit that gets you put under Justice Dpt. monitors like LAPD were in 90's. The plot thickens.
Also (again), as I type I'm watching MSNBC and the Justice Dpt. has announced that it will do its own autopsy of Mike's body. Looks like this is a full fledged independent investigation, and not just a parallel one where they just monitor. Good shit.
HP_Wuvcraft
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People hear "robbed a store" and instantly go to loaded weapons, hoodies, and bandanas around mouths.
Just wait until they release the toxicology report to sway the argument to their side.
milquetoast
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Are you saying they shouldn't release the toxicology report.
Not just rush, reach for Darren Wilson's gun to murder him with a cops gun. To buy this, you basically have to think that Michael Brown thinks a shoplifting charge (I doubt Brown thought he was going to be charged with Assault at the time) is too much to handle, but a captial murder of a cop charge isn't.
BTW, if Brown was charged with Strong Arm assault, it would be hard to convict him of it without the cooperation of the store owner who seemed that he didn't want any trouble.
Jmanunknown
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This type of stuff is the reason why people are mad. None of this has any bearing on whether it was ok for the officer to execute brown in the middle of the street. It is a distraction for someone because they just want an excuse to forget the case and vindication for others because they believe the police or harbor some sort of racist feelings. I mean their are multiple witnesses including someone who live tweeted the cop committing the act. Yet all some people wanna harp on is how bad the looters are or how of much of a "thug" Michael Brown" was.
Let's not do this, please.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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This is exactly the type of reaction the police department was hoping for.
An unarmed teen still didn't deserve to die. That's all that matters.
Punchy4486
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If he was a rapist or a murderer he wouldn't have deserved being shot after surrendering. He was an 18 year old that allegedly stole some Rellos.
It is irrelevant who he was.
Wait...what?
Saint Gregory
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Actually we are talking about every black man. If you want to pretend that there isn't a rush to find reason to justify why unarmed black men are shot and killed in this country then that's fine but it's not the reality that I have to deal with. From the time that I was very young my parents had to explain to me that I had to be extra careful about what I do and say around police officers because of the shoot first/ask questions later/find the answers you want way that minorities are treated by the police. It's really sad that I and other young black men have to be confronted with that reality while still children but it keeps most of us alive. For the record my family wasn't poor, I never lived in a bad neighborhood and went to best schools but it was still something that was important for me to know.
I've never had as much as a speeding ticket but yet regardless of how well I've lived my life I've still been racially profiled by the police and treated like a criminal while in the wrong place at the wrong time on numerous occasions but the lessons my parents taught me about how to deal with these situations helped prevent me from becoming another statistic. Unless you've lived a life of being presumed to be a menace to society based solely on the color of your skin you can't understand how painful it is to see cases like this and knowing that it could just have easily been you and someway, somehow it will be justified and explained away.
To answer your question about the looters I feel that sometimes bad people do bad things. I don't associate people's behavior with the color of their skin or blame the whole for the actions of a few.
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