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[lazorexplosion]

No one is arguing that. They're arguing the shot in the back and shots after he put his hands up.

Oh they are. Brown is a symbol of all that is innocent and pure, and it's inconceivable that he might have started a situation where some use of deadly force was justified. To some people, it's not even conceivable that he was robbing that place.

 

[Jedi2016]

Not sure if anyone saw, but the feds are now also wanting to perform their on autopsy.

I saw this, but I still don't get why they're doing it. I don't think there's much question as to how he died.

 

[lazorexplosion]

Now that you mention it:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70229496&postcount=1277


http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70243941&postcount=1788

But hey, he is just "Asking questions"(Tm).

Yeah cherry pick all those posts and not all the ones where I've condemned police violence against innocent black people.

 

[Sai-kun]

Oh they are. Brown is a symbol of all that is innocent and pure, and it's inconceivable that he might have started a situation where some use of deadly force was justified. To some people, it's not even conceivable that he was robbing that place.

So you think it's okay to shoot someone after they surrender.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

just a little deadly force

 

[BitStyle]

Oh they are. Brown is a symbol of all that is innocent and pure, and it's inconceivable that he might have started a situation where some use of deadly force was justified. To some people, it's not even conceivable that he was robbing that place.

Ugh... and who in this thread believes this?

 

[Hidden One]

just a little deadly force

wat.

 

[LoveCake]

I have not seen or heard any outrage at this that happened the other day,

WFTV in Orlando, Florida reported Friday about a callous, violent robbery of an elderly white woman by three young black men that left the woman hospitalized with a serious brain injury and a broken clavicle.

The Publix surveillance videos released to the media show rare, clear before, during and after video of the victim, the perps and the robbery.

There will be no protests, no candlelight vigils, no statement by President Barack Obama, no Justice Department investigation, no visits by Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. The race ‘healers’ won’t descend on Ocoee like they are doing in Ferguson this week or Sanford last year. There’s no money or political hay to be made.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-hospitalized-after-brutal-robbery-in-ocoee/

Why is is deemed to be a racist act because it was a white cop shooting a black guy, would there be the same outrage if the cop was black?

 

[Angelus Errare]

Oh they are. Brown is a symbol of all that is innocent and pure, and it's inconceivable that he might have started a situation where some use of deadly force was justified. To some people, it's not even conceivable that he was robbing that place.

Considering most poeple in here knew he robbed the place before the shit even hit the news...days later...please go on.

And I absolutely love how you repeatedly dodge the question everyone has been asking you.

 

[Sai-kun]

just a little deadly force

Just enough to be a little deadly, but not too deadly, y'know?

 

[CrankyJay]

Jay Nixon on Meet the Press saying he and the highway patrol disagreed with the release of the convenience store footage. Andrea Mitchell had good questions.

Transcript http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-august-17-2014-n182641

ANDREA MITCHELL:

Well, governor, there was peace. There was peace on Thursday night after you appointed the county police to come in and take over. The state police, rather, their takeover from the county. But then the local police chief who released that video, what justifies releasing the video about the convenience store, while there's still no details about what happened with the shooting itself? That is what caused everything to erupt again on Friday night and eventually led to the curfew having to be imposed.

GOVERNOR JAY NIXON:

Yeah, we and our security team and the highway patrol did not know that was going to be released. I don't think the attorney general knew that. And quite frankly, we disagree deeply I think for two reasons. Number one, to attempt to in essence disparage the character of this victim, in the middle of a process like this is not right. It's just not right. And secondarily, it did put the community and quite frankly the region and the nation on alert again. These are old wounds. These are deep wounds in these communities. And that action was not helpful.

ANDREA MITCHELL:

Well, should the police chiefs, Chief Jackson then be fired or have to step down?

GOVERNOR JAY NIXON:

We've moved the highway patrol in to manage security. The Justice Department and the detectives in Saint Louis are doing the investigation. So he--

(OVERTALK)

ANDREA MITCHELL:

But he's still, with all due respect governor, he's still doing things, like releasing that video, without even reporting to the state police captain, Captain Johnson, who's supposed to be in charge.

GOVERNOR JAY NIXON:

Yeah. Everyone can rest well assured that we've had very serious discussions about that action and how much we felt that it was not the right way to handle the victim's family, which I had a chance to speak with. They were deeply troubled. And when you see your son gunned down in the street and then you see a police chief begin an attempt to attack his character.

That's just not the way to operate. And we've made that clear to everyone. And our hope and expectation is that now that our folks are in charge of security, and we have these dual investigations going on, that, that bump is behind us, hopefully.

 

[MHWilliams]

Oh they are. Brown is a symbol of all that is innocent and pure, and it's inconceivable that he might have started a situation where some use of deadly force was justified. To some people, it's not even conceivable that he was robbing that place.

People in this thread have conceded it was possible. They've even allowed for the possibility that Brown started the altercation. (Though Johnson's testimony says otherwise)

But again: the first shot didn't kill Brown. The latter shots are what killed him and they were unjustified according to witness reports.

Theft does not a killing justify.

 

[freddy]

So all those eye witness accounts say he was shot in the back. If the autopsy proves that then the rush down theory (aka aggressive step) is destroyed.

Well its possible he has some shots to the front as well because apparently he's facing the officer shooting at him when he falls. Given the distance away from the cop car all it might mean is he turned around to surrender and was shot again.

 

[BFIB]

I saw this, but I still don't get why they're doing it. I don't think there's much question as to how he died.

It seems the FBI is running a "parallel" investigation to the local PD. Which seems like this autopsy is more due diligence than anything.

Just sad that we're now over a week after the initial incident, and the kids body is still lying in a morgue.

 

[Mariolee]

Just enough to be a little deadly, but not too deadly, y'know?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Even the fucking Governor of Missouri is on TV saying he didn't agree with the release of the unrelated convenience store footage and think's it's an attempt to disparage the character of the victim.

So I think the fact that we're debating the character of the victim kinda proves that point.

 

[zaryn]

It is possible that Brown deserved to die a little bit. He may not have deserved to die at all but if he did deserve to die a little, even slightly, the possibility must be explored.

Please, read your post again, and enlighten us on how someone could deserve to die just "a little". Smfh.

The sarcasm in this post was lost on me. I apologize.

 

[Tripon]

Jay Nixon on Meet the Press saying he and the highway patrol disagreed with the release of the convenience store footage. Andrea Mitchell had good questions.

Transcript http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-august-17-2014-n182641

So does that mean the Governor of Missouri didn't understand or didn't think the release of the Fugerson Market incident wouldn't inflame tensions?

Edit: Okay, I was misreading that. So Jay Nixon didn't agree about releasing the tapes. My mistake.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I was being sarcastic in an attempt to mock this dude lazorexplosion. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

The sad part is that there are people who have said that in this thread, completely straight-faced, just in a more roundabout way.

Please, read your post again, and enlighten us on how someone could deserve to die just "a little". Smfh.

masud said he was being sarcastic. It's just becoming impossible to satirize some viewpoints on this matter.

 

[CrankyJay]

So does that mean the Governor of Missouri didn't understand or didn't think the release of the Fugerson Market incident wouldn't inflame tensions?

They're saying Tom Jackson is a loose cannon.

 

[Saint Gregory]

I have not seen or heard any outrage at this that happened the other day,



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-hospitalized-after-brutal-robbery-in-ocoee/

Why is is deemed to be a racist act because it was a white cop shooting a black guy, would there be the same outrage if the cop was black?

Because when those black men are arrested they will be prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law. Why is this a difficult concept for people to grasp?

The loss of any life is a terrible thing that we should all feel sorrow over but the reason why people are protesting has more to with the fact that nothing is being done to bring this man's killer to justice.

When white Americans are being routinely murdered by black men who then are allowed to justify their crimes and walk free then give me a call and I'll fly to the candlelight vigil for those victims right away.

 

[googleplex]

Now that you mention it:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70229496&postcount=1277


http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70243941&postcount=1788

But hey, he is just "Asking questions"(Tm).

Damn...so he has a history of labeling unarmed murdered black people as thugs

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Oh they are. Brown is a symbol of all that is innocent and pure, and it's inconceivable that he might have started a situation where some use of deadly force was justified. To some people, it's not even conceivable that he was robbing that place.

It's not that it's incomprehensible, it's that it's irrelevant.

 

[kirblar]

They're saying Tom Jackson is a loose cannon.

Who in the hell does that PD actually report to directly?

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

I saw this, but I still don't get why they're doing it. I don't think there's much question as to how he died.

Anything read into this is disturbing, from tampering with the body to he stlouis me being incompetent or worse.

 

[devilhawk]

Would you shoot a person who has surrendered or is running away and is unarmed?




It was not a felony your just spinning the story to fit your narrative which is bs. We also have no idea what happened inside that story other then mike took what he took and pushed the store clerk.



No it is not your argument is completely obtuse and absurd when even the police who released the video say it had no bearing on what went down between the officer and mike. All it is pure and simple character assassination.

Why are you dead set on stuff that has nothing to do with what happened?

We had lawyers in the thread earlier saying the fact that he shoved a store employee during the robbery makes it a felony. One presented a case that was perfectly similar that also occurred in Missouri. He did commit a felony.

 

[freddy]

Jay Nixon on Meet the Press saying he and the highway patrol disagreed with the release of the convenience store footage. Andrea Mitchell had good questions.

Transcript http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-august-17-2014-n182641

What's the mayor saying while this is going on? Is he directly responsible for hiring and firing or is the chief elected as well?

 

[MHWilliams]

It was not a felony your just spinning the story to fit your narrative which is bs. We also have no idea what happened inside that story other then mike took what he took and pushed the store clerk.

Actually, in the state, shoving the clerk made it into a felony.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Well its possible he has some shots to the front as well because apparently he's facing the officer shooting at him when he falls. Given the distance away from the cop car all it might mean is he turned around to surrender and was shot again.

Yeah I know. The point is people were speculating that he may have started moving toward the cop and ignored commands to stop before he opened fire. If that was the case he wouldn't have been shot in the back. It would prove he was shot while fleeing before he was shot in the front. Hard to imagine how a cop could feel threatened by someone running away.

 

[Punchy4486]

I have not seen or heard any outrage at this that happened the other day,



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-hospitalized-after-brutal-robbery-in-ocoee/

Why is is deemed to be a racist act because it was a white cop shooting a black guy, would there be the same outrage if the cop was black?

This story is irrelevant to this discussion. Just because black people do injustices to white people doesn't excuse white injustice against blacks. It is a false equivalency. There is also the fact that those were black criminals and this is a white police officer. We're supposed to expect better of people in authority and for the most part people aren't claiming that Wilson is a crazed racist that just wanted to kill a black boy. They are discussing the systemic racism that causes this to happen so often and makes the black victims put on trial in the court of public opinion (yah, but did he deserve it tho?). Not to mention that this is the nth instance of a police officer killing an unarmed black man in the last 6 weeks.

But keep acting like blacks are just acting like victims and whites don't. With the way conservative whites flip out over minor injustices like stores saying "Happy Holidays" or a Muslim community center being built in New York, the black community are practically saints when it comes to accepting injustice.

 

[CrankyJay]

Who in the hell does that PD actually report to directly?

Not sure, but word is the governors office, state police, ferguson police and St. Louis county police have all been nutting heads.

It seems Ferguson and St Louis County are the aggressors and causing most if not all of the problems.

 

[Gonzalez]

I saw this, but I still don't get why they're doing it. I don't think there's much question as to how he died.

Didn't the family also have an autopsy done as well?

 

[Jenov]

I saw this, but I still don't get why they're doing it. I don't think there's much question as to how he died.

According to CNN, the family requested the second autopsy.

 

[freddy]

Interview with the Mayor of Ferguson

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/13/fergusons-mayor-speaks-candidly-about-his-city-with-mandy-murphey/

 

[Angelus Errare]

I believe that any GAF member who uses "thug" in these discussions needs to be banned.

 

[GameGuru59]

I have not seen or heard any outrage at this that happened the other day,



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-hospitalized-after-brutal-robbery-in-ocoee/

Why is is deemed to be a racist act because it was a white cop shooting a black guy, would there be the same outrage if the cop was black?

No, because the black cop would be arrested by now. Brown's death comes in the context of a racist justice system in a country with a history of racism going back to before its founding.

No one is outraged about the robbing of a white woman by black people partially because we're conditioned to believe that is the norm. Read books like "Up from History" and others to get some context on this. (that, and the fact that... yes, crime happens.)

 

[Ovid]

I have not seen or heard any outrage at this that happened the other day,

*STORY THAT HAS NO RELATION TO BROWN CASE*

Why is is deemed to be a racist act because it was a white cop shooting a black guy, would there be the same outrage if the cop was black?

Dude, get out of here.

EDIT: I don't even know why I responded to this post. So annoying.

 

[zaryn]

I was being sarcastic in an attempt to mock this dude lazorexplosion. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Sorry if I misread your post. This thread has been both extremely informative and frustrating to follow. Frustrating, because I just can't understand the justification in killing Brown, unless the officer felt legitimate fear for his life, and I've seen no evidence or testimony to suggest this.

 

[freddy]

I have not seen or heard any outrage at this that happened the other day,



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-hospitalized-after-brutal-robbery-in-ocoee/

Why is is deemed to be a racist act because it was a white cop shooting a black guy, would there be the same outrage if the cop was black?

This has no relevance at all. None.

 

[LoveCake]

Because when those black men are arrested they will be prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law. Why is this a difficult concept for people to grasp?

The loss of any life is a terrible thing that we should all feel sorrow over but the reason why people are protesting has more to with the fact that nothing is being done to bring this man's killer to justice.

When white Americans are being routinely murdered by black men who then are allowed to justify their crimes and walk free then give me a call and I'll fly to the candlelight vigil for those victims right away.

Will there also be a racist argument from the prosecution?

Why is it being called/considered a race crime just because the cop was white, is there any evidence that the cop was/is racist?

As i said in my original post would there be such a outrage if the cop who fired the shot was black?

 

[pompidu]

I believe that any GAF member who uses "thug" in these discussions needs to be banned.

Stop being a thug.

Wtf is taking so long for autopsy results?
Why haven't we arrested the dude yet?
Why is the PD full of idiots?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I believe that any GAF member who uses "thug" in these discussions needs to be banned.

Not before having every one of their flawed arguments dissected and proven wrong.

As i said in my original post would there be such a outrage if the cop who fired the shot was black?

This event didn't happen in a vacuum. If you continue to try to ignore circumstance and history, then none of this will make sense to you.

 

[abuC]

I believe that any GAF member who uses "thug" in these discussions needs to be banned.

Just a code word for what they really want to say.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I believe that any GAF member who uses "thug" in these discussions needs to be banned.

Yea, "thug" tends to be codeword for "n-----"

Not before having every one of their flawed arguments dissected and proven wrong.

I like you.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Not sure if anyone saw, but the feds are now also wanting to perform their on autopsy.

This poor kids corpse is going to be cut open 3 different times before the family gets to say their goodbye.

Why? So they can plant shit inside his body?

 

[Punchy4486]

Will there also be a racist argument from the prosecution?

Why is it being called/considered a race crime just because the cop was white, is there any evidence that the cop was/is racist?

As i said in my original post would there be such a outrage if the cop who fired the shot was black?

Most people are saying its symbolic of institutional racism, not that this was a racist cop who wanted to take down a darkie.

 

[masud]

I have not seen or heard any outrage at this that happened the other day,



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-hospitalized-after-brutal-robbery-in-ocoee/

Why is is deemed to be a racist act because it was a white cop shooting a black guy, would there be the same outrage if the cop was black?

Oh come on... I'm gonna sit the rest of these threads out like I did with the Trevon ones. My pressure is going up.

 

[abuC]

Will there also be a racist argument from the prosecution?

Why is it being called/considered a race crime just because the cop was white, is there any evidence that the cop was/is racist?

As i said in my original post would there be such a outrage if the cop who fired the shot was black?

The cop wasn't black, on top of that can you please point out some cases of Black cops killing unarmed people, thanks.

 

[lazorexplosion]

Ugh... and who in this thread believes this?

Let's go back to what I initially replied to.

Yep... and people buy it because he's black. That was some plan he had. Cigarellos and finding a cop whose gun to steal to murder him.

As long as there's a segment of the American public willing to believe that any black man is capable of any heinous atrocity on a whim then there's no hope for any semblance of justice or equality for any of us.

An exchange where people said, of the release of the information that Brown was involved in a robbery that might have provided context to why he might initiate an altercation with a police officer, that discussion of the possibility was so outrageous that it's an example of societal bias against black people.

A few pages later, now it's all like 'Well of course everyone believes there's a possibility he might have robbed the store, started the fight believing himself to be about to be arrested in which caused the officer to fear for his life. Duh.'

Uh OK.

Mission accomplished I guess, you all agree with me now and disagree with what I initially disagreed with.

 

[kirblar]

Not sure, but word is the governors office, state police, ferguson police and St. Louis county police have all been nutting heads.

It seems Ferguson and St Louis County are the aggressors and causing most if not all of the problems.

Yeah, that's been obvious for a long time, and they badly need a Vince McMahon style "You're Fired."