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GODDAMN I said. Good job as always sir

Why do people like that (who show no desire to learn and change) get to keep posting here

 

[PopeReal]

Nobody does. But when there is a change to a story, people like sources.

You are right. I just don't like the shifted focus that the released video achieved. The police knew exactly what they were doing by releasing it.

 

[CrimsonCommie]

I haven't been spending much time keeping up to date, but last time I heard it was relevant to the official police explanation for the sequence of events. In short,

1. Brown stole cigars (cigarillos? I've heard both)
2. The police were called, unrelated to Officer Wilson, and they viewed the surveillance data and interviewed witnesses.
3. A description of Brown and the theft was disseminated to the surrounding police.
4. Officer Wilson, who wasn't responding to the robbery, stopped Brown for jaywalking.
5. Wilson after spotting the cigars in Browns hand, noticed he fit the profile for the robbery suspect.
6. *Point of contention*
7. Officer Wilson fatally shoots Brown.

The chief at first said Wilson did not know about the shoplifting. Then recanted and said it was possible he knew. Since Wilson did not write a report I have serious doubts he knew anything about it.

The video is character assassination and early attempts at jury tampering.

 

[Jacksinthe]

You right. It's just a very sensitive issue for me personally. I personally witnessed cops stretch the truth in order to make their actions look better. I wanted to believe that the cops fabricated the story or rather I expected that. So I jumped to the "source" confirmed my suspicions. Not a responsible thing on my part

This is sensitive for everyone. A human being was gunned down by a cop with his hands up surrendering. This is some scary shit on every damn level and everyone needs to keep their wits about them and come together to see justice served. Wilson needs to be processed. No police report and he says he "didn't know" what happened - then dude fled town.

Then the PD the entire time has been serving up a runaround. I'm at wits end, myself. I'm angry, sad, confused, scared, hell, you name it I'm feeling it. I want this fucking cop brought in in handcuffs. This whole thing reeks.

I'm getting worked up. I haven't posted much here in this thread but I'm mortified this shit happens. Its saddening and maddening at the same time. We don't have answers we should have gotten a long time ago and I'm starting to let my anxiety get to me and I'm sure we all are, to a point.

 

[EatinOlives]

I guess the Ferguson PD's tactic worked handily. We're still talking about the fucking robbery video that has nothing to do with any of this.

At worst it gives closet racists an excuse to say "welp, he wasn't so innocent guys, pack it up", wipe their hands and ignore the rest of the issue. At "best" it's a distraction for everyone else to keep talking about it and gradually lose focus of the actual murder.

 

[Saint Gregory]

I haven't been spending much time keeping up to date, but last time I heard it was relevant to the official police explanation for the sequence of events. In short,

1. Brown stole cigars (cigarillos? I've heard both)
2. The police were called, unrelated to Officer Wilson, and they viewed the surveillance data and interviewed witnesses.
3. A description of Brown and the theft was disseminated to the surrounding police.
4. Officer Wilson, who wasn't responding to the robbery, stopped Brown for jaywalking.
5. Wilson after spotting the cigars in Browns hand, noticed he fit the profile for the robbery suspect.
6. *Point of contention*
7. Officer Wilson fatally shoots Brown.

This is the part that I'm confused about. When was the incident investigated? When the police report for the convenience store incident was linked earlier in the thread it already had Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson's names written into it as the suspects.

Did the store owners know them by name or was the report written after the fact? An even better question would be when did such a petty theft constitute an emergency that the police had to respond to right away and launch an APB?

 

[railGUN]

Do we know the time between the robbery and the shooting? Was it minutes, or hours?

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I haven't been spending much time keeping up to date, but last time I heard it was relevant to the official police explanation for the sequence of events. In short,

1. Brown stole cigars (cigarillos? I've heard both)
2. The police were called, unrelated to Officer Wilson, and they viewed the surveillance data and interviewed witnesses.
3. A description of Brown and the theft was disseminated to the surrounding police.
4. Officer Wilson, who wasn't responding to the robbery, stopped Brown for jaywalking.
5. Wilson after spotting the cigars in Browns hand, noticed he fit the profile for the robbery suspect.
6. *Point of contention*
7. Officer Wilson fatally shoots Brown.

He stopped Brown unrelated to any prior event...if Wilson was aware of the cigar theft is still unknown, the chief simply speculated he might have, either way it's not relevant since people are upset that he was shot while running away and again while surrendering, it kind of nullifies both parties activities prior in the day.

even if Wilson was called in to the cigar robbery and saw Brown carrying cigars and put two and two together was attacked by brown AND THEN shot him while he fled and again while he had his hands up in the air surrendering......we'd still get these protests and demands for justice.

 

[Jacksinthe]

You are right. I just don't like the shifted focus that the released video achieved. The police knew exactly what they were doing by releasing it.

Oh indeed. Which makes new information relevant to exposing the PD, IMO. But we need to gather information with more respect to clarificstion than the PD have given. Just my .02

 

[PopeReal]

I haven't been spending much time keeping up to date, but last time I heard it was relevant to the official police explanation for the sequence of events. In short,

1. Brown stole cigarillos and manhandled a store clerk.
2. The police were called, unrelated to Officer Wilson, and they viewed the surveillance data and interviewed witnesses.
3. A description of Brown and the theft was disseminated to the surrounding police.
4. Officer Wilson, who wasn't responding to the robbery, stopped Brown for jaywalking.
5. Wilson after spotting the cigars in Browns hand, noticed he fit the profile for the robbery suspect.
6. *Point of contention*
7. Officer Wilson fatally shoots Brown.



Considering the statement from the lawyer and the actual incident report linked in the MSNBC article (lol), it is poor summation by MSNBC.

Again, none of this matters. If Brown was surrendering with hands up as eye witnesses have stated, the police officer murdered him in cold blood.

Whatever Brown did before does not change anything. We can't allow the facts to be muddied.

 

[adamsappel]

Yup. I was arguing with someone at work about it. He kept saying how Brown robbed a store and pushed the employee. It was like he was trying to say, yeah, he deserved to be shot.

That's at least a little bit better than the people who post that picture of Brown with Hawaiian Punch, a gun and money and reach the same conclusion (finally had someone on my Facebook do that).

 

[Saint Gregory]

Do we know the time between the robbery and the shooting? Was it minutes, or hours?

It was about an hour later.

 

[FiggyCal]

Do we know the time between the robbery and the shooting? Was it minutes, or hours?

I think its 11:51 he robbed the store.

And at just around 12 he is confronted and killed.

 

[gutter_trash]

They are saying the officer stayed in the car? Is it even possible to shoot someone in the middle of the road from inside a car with left hand drive?

logically, you would figure that a car is faster than a man's running speed, you would figure that I would chase with his car........ nah, drawing a gun is easier

 

[DrForester]

The robbery is important only in figuring out a timeline of events.

This officer seemingly shooting an unarmed man with his hands up has nothing to do with anything that might have happened before the shooting. Even if there was a fight between Brown and the Officer, Brown was apparently surrendering according to two witnesses.

 

[freddy]

logically, you would figure that a car is faster than a man's running speed, you would figure that I would chase with his car........ nah, drawing a gun is easier

The second video there just doesn't sound plausible to me at all and contradicts the guy in the first video and other witnesses.

 

[mbmonk]

Here's the video of the right side of that twitter image.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qo14KOcQxw

Thanks for posting the link.

Did this witness say the cop shot him from the car, ran over his legs, and then shot him some more? She made it sounds like the cop never got out of the car.

 

[Casimir]

The chief at first said Wilson did not know about the shoplifting. Then recanted and said it was possible he knew. Since Wilson did not write a report I have serious doubts he knew anything about it.

The video is character assassination and early attempts at jury tampering.

He stopped Brown unrelated to any prior event...if Wilson was aware of the cigar theft is still unknown, the chief simply speculated he might have, either way it's not relevant since people are upset that he was shot while running away and again while surrendering, it kind of nullifies both parties activities prior in the day.

even if Wilson was called in to the cigar robbery and saw Brown carrying cigars and put two and two together was attacked by brown AND THEN shot him while he fled and again while he had his hands up in the air surrendering......we'd still get these protests and demands for justice.

Again, none of this matters. If Brown was surrendering with hands up as eye witnesses have stated, the police officer murdered him in cold blood.

Whatever Brown did before does not change anything. We can't allow the facts to be muddied.

I was addressing the original question which was questioning the relevancy of the robbery.

This is the part that I'm confused about. When was the incident investigated? When the police report for the convenience store incident was linked earlier in the thread it already had Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson's names written into it as the suspects.

Did the store owners know them by name or was the report written after the fact? An even better question would be when did such a petty theft constitute an emergency that the police had to respond to right away and launch an APB?

Updated after the fact. I'm not personally familiar with the peculiarities of Missouri law, but in this case it seems that the use of force in the robbery increased the penalties to a B felony:

Missouri law:

569.030. 1. A person commits the crime of robbery in the second degree when he forcibly steals property.

2. Robbery in the second degree is a class B felony.

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558.011. 1. The authorized terms of imprisonment, including both prison and conditional release terms, are:

(2) For a class B felony, a term of years not less than five years and not to exceed fifteen years;

Again, there might be some court cases that are relevant though.

 

[timetokill]

so now that it's been a week, have the police decided to interview the witnesses yet?

 

[FiggyCal]

so now that it's been a week, have the police decided to interview the witnesses yet?

Have the FBI?

 

[fritolay]

Was there a camera on in the police car?

Put cameras in all police cars, cameras on all policeman. They are to protect and serve the public. Each town should have a vote and vote yes to doing this.

 

[Eric WK]

so now that it's been a week, have the police decided to interview the witnesses yet?

Ferguson police? It does not appear so.
St. Louis County police? It does not appear so.
The FBI? Yes.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I wake up to see Jado has killed someone on GAF. Dear GAWD.

 

[Professor Beef]

I wake up to see Jado has killed someone on GAF. Dear GAWD.

Not even a double tap. More like a quad.

 

[freddy]

Have the FBI?

so now that it's been a week, have the police decided to interview the witnesses yet?

The FBI, DoJ and Police have all spoken to Johnson. Not sure about others.

 

[Gaz_RB]

It was about an hour later.

No, it was only a few minutes.

 

[Cat]

Tibetan monks from India come to show support in Ferguson. Here they are meeting Antonio French:

And here they are from another picture:

 

[Piecake]

Was there a camera on in the police car?

Put cameras in all police cars, cameras on all policeman. They are to protect and serve the public. Each town should have a vote and vote yes to doing this.

Yup, equipping every officer with a lapel camera would be a huge positive. Not only does it make the police act better, but it also makes the people they are dealing with act better as well. It is a win-win for everyone. I don't mind this 'big brother' action because I am much more worried about the police institution fucking me or other people over with lies and protecting their own than me being filmed when I am pulled over by a cop.

Save all the footage on some database and only look at it when there is a complaint or incident. Seems simple enough.

 

[Casimir]

Have the FBI?

They interviewed Brown's friend:

“We see that there’s tape, that they claim they got a tape that shows there was some sort of strong-armed robbery,” said Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney. “We need to see that tape, my client did tell us and told the FBI that they went into the store. He told FBI that [Brown] did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”

 

[FiggyCal]

Ferguson police? It does not appear so.
St. Louis County police? It does not appear so.
The FBI? Yes.

Let some time pass so their recollection becomes hazier. I'm not a fan of these cops.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Tibetan monks from India come to show support in Ferguson. Here they are meeting Antonio French:

This is an awesome show of support!

 

[CrankyJay]

Tibetan monks from India come to show support in Ferguson. Here they are meeting Antonio French:

And here they are from another picture:

Police know they fucked up when Tibet shows up.

 

[Jacksinthe]

Yup, equipping every officer with a lapel camera would be a huge positive. Not only does it make the police act better, but it also makes the people they are dealing with act better as well. It is a win-win for everyone. I don't mind this 'big brother' action because I am much more worried about the police institution fucking me or other people over with lies and protecting their own than me being filmed when I am pulled over by a cop.

Save all the footage on some database and only look at it when there is a complaint or incident. Seems simple enough.

Statistics show that with cameras, use of force incidents and complaints dropped by a hefty 50-80% when used. Will look it up when I'm off my phone and source it. Gimme 10 mins.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Edit: Was wrong - 60-88%
"after cameras were introduced in February 2012, public complaints against officers plunged 88% compared with the previous 12 months. Officers' use of force fell by 60%."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto

 

[Renzoku]

Tibetan monks from India come to show support in Ferguson. Here they are meeting Antonio French:

And here they are from another picture:

Wouldn't Tibetan monks come from...Tibet?

 

[royalan]

Jado clockedT him

Sis, you might as well come on over to PopGAF.

You're not only using the lingo; you're using it correctly.

 

[FiggyCal]

Who the fuck is Antonio French for real? I see his name too much to not know.

 

[Zoe]

This is the part that I'm confused about. When was the incident investigated? When the police report for the convenience store incident was linked earlier in the thread it already had Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson's names written into it as the suspects.

Did the store owners know them by name or was the report written after the fact? An even better question would be when did such a petty theft constitute an emergency that the police had to respond to right away and launch an APB?

The portion of the report in all caps appears to be written the day of, possibly shortly after, by the responding officer.

The rest of the report with the narrative describing the incident was written by another officer (detective?) who received the case on the 11th.

 

[FartOfWar]

Add that to the fact the robbery wasn't reported by the store and tape wasn't willingly given to the police. Their motives are dubious here in releasing the tape to begin with.

Do we know these things for a fact? People are on hair triggers here so allow me to assure you that demanding sources every time anyone posts claims in a thread littered with people eagerly lapping up any spurious tidbit that confirms their bias -- whether it be "My cousin's friend's sister says Brown was making Matrix moves as he advanced on the cop" or "the scene in the store was actually the owner arguing that Playboy's June centerfold was finer than February" -- is not devil's advocacy.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Wouldn't Tibetan monks come from...Tibet?

I believe they are some Indian controlled areas of Tibet, but I agree it was worded a bit strangely.

Statistics show that with cameras, use of force incidents and complaints dropped by a hefty 50-80% when used. Will look it up when I'm off my phone and source it. Gimme 10 mins.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

If I remember correctly, that was a relatively small sample size. I'd definitely like to see some more trials around the country to observe the effects of equipping cops with cameras. It's not an easy policy to just simply institute.

 

[CrankyJay]

Who the fuck is Antonio French for real? I see his name too much to not know.

He's an Alderman for Ferguson.

 

[Eric WK]

Who the fuck is Antonio French for real? I see his name too much to not know.

St. Louis Alderman who has been on the front lines of the protests all week and a consistent source of information. He was detained by Ferguson police midweek, the same day as Ryan Reilly and Wesley Lowery.

 

[Gonzalez]

Wouldn't Tibetan monks come from...Tibet?

Are you accusing them of being counterfeit monks. This isn't a child's birthday party, man.

This is way better than the wannabe Communist cult.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Tibetan monks from India come to show support in Ferguson. Here they are meeting Antonio French:

And here they are from another picture:

This plus the Palestinians penning that letter of solidarity is so damning about the issues in this country.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Updated after the fact. I'm not personally familiar with the peculiarities of Missouri law, but in this case it seems that the use of force in the robbery increased the penalties to a B felony:

Missouri law:


Again, there might be some court cases that are relevant though.

That's... pretty murky. I'm not familiar with shoplifting cases where it becomes a felony if the shoplifters shoves away a clerk trying to stop him. There could definitely be an argument that there was an assault in the process of the shoplifting but considering that the store didn't even report the crime it's pretty unlikely that they would have wanted to pursue charges.

I get the feeling based on how this information was handled that the police put together the pieces of Mike Brown being involved in the shoplifting after the fact and are now trying to make it seem like it was a much bigger deal prior to the shooting than it was in order to help make their officer's defense look better.

It was a small town though, perhaps someone stealing cheap cigars and pushing a clerk is enough to mobilize the entire police force into action.

The portion of the report in all caps appears to be written the day of, possibly shortly after, by the responding officer.

The rest of the report with the narrative describing the incident was written by another officer (detective?) who received the case on the 11th.

Ok thanks, so it was written after the shooting.

 

[FiggyCal]

He's an Alderman for Ferguson.

Ahh thanks, friend.

Can't believe he got arrested.

 

[Cat]

Who the fuck is Antonio French for real? I see his name too much to not know.

He is an alderman (councilman) in Ferguson and very active presence in the protests, one of the community leaders. He was arrested the same day the journalists were last week before the highway patrol took over. If you follow one person in Ferguson that's not media, to keep up with what's going on, it should probably be him. Here is his Twitter:https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench

 

[Piecake]

I believe they are some Indian controlled areas of Tibet, but I agree it was worded a bit strangely.

Pretty sure the Dalai Lama lives in India in exile. Wouldnt be surprised if there is a bunch of tibetan monks chilling with him

 

[mre]

Updated after the fact. I'm not personally familiar with the peculiarities of Missouri law, but in this case it seems that the use of force in the robbery increased the penalties to a B felony:

Missouri law:


Again, there might be some court cases that are relevant though.

The use of force is what makes a robbery a robbery, and not a theft.

 

[Punchy4486]

At this point the only way we'll confirm what happened is based on the autopsy reports. Depending on how and where he was shot, they can determine the accuracy of the four eyewitness statements. If it matches at all closely, this is done. If it doesn't, I think he'll get off. It all hinges on that.

 

[Cat]

I believe they are some Indian controlled areas of Tibet, but I agree it was worded a bit strangely.

I got it from Antonio French's Twitter. He is retweeting others as well. I assume those in Ferguson would know better than I in how to word it, so I used their words.