Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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So what do you call the last 2-3 pages?
Dr Bass
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I've been refraining from posting in here for a few days since I've been trying to see everything that has come out (and of course my single opinion doesn't really matter much) before deciding what I "think" happened.
However it seems fairly clear that the eye witnesses' stories all align, not only with each other, but with the injuries from the autopsy. They all say he got taken down as soon as he turned around, and some say he had his hands up.
Regardless, there is no reason to shoot at someone running away. Combine that with eyewitness accounts that it looks like the police officer was trying to pull on Brown and Brown was trying to get away, in just about every instance the officer is the one who looks like the aggressor with perhaps some serious anger issues (why else would he get so violent so quickly?).
Seems almost certain then that the cop pretty much straight up killed him out of rage.
However it seems fairly clear that the eye witnesses' stories all align, not only with each other, but with the injuries from the autopsy. They all say he got taken down as soon as he turned around, and some say he had his hands up.
Regardless, there is no reason to shoot at someone running away. Combine that with eyewitness accounts that it looks like the police officer was trying to pull on Brown and Brown was trying to get away, in just about every instance the officer is the one who looks like the aggressor with perhaps some serious anger issues (why else would he get so violent so quickly?).
Seems almost certain then that the cop pretty much straight up killed him out of rage.
The question is, how can a trained police officer feel in danger of his life from an unarmed teenager?
Are these officers really that panicky?
How do you suppose Wilson could show he was in fear for his life?
and even more so, because it takes more creativity to work with less 'facts' to illustrate a narrative.
crisdecuba
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Cop claimed he mistakenly fired his pistol rather than his tazer (can anyone clarify if this is an easy mistake to make by "feel"?). He was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter (and found not guilty of second degree murder). He was sentenced to 2 years minus time served, which came to 11 months. The federal justice system could pursue a separate conviction on this guy, but has not done so. He is now free and on parole.
Wilson did not have an armed partner next to him. He was alone.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Because I default to authority. I have no problem admitting that. I have a very hard time believing the cop simply decided to execute mike. He would know after doing that,that his career and life was over.
Even if he is found to have committed a "good shooting" after this. His life as he knows it is over.
I can't honestly answer that as it's different for everyone.
Again, same as above.
Alligatorjandro
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bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Spring-Loaded
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If I post what you said, I don't believe you'll be able to understand its implications. I really, really don't.
everyday math
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Haha...ha
The exact same reasoning could be applied to Brown though.
Why not give him the benefit of sanity as well as Wilson?
ElectricBlanketFire
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Is it possible he forgot it's 2014 and that everyone has smart phones now?
MHWilliams
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You know what? At least you're honest.
Nabs
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If anyone would like to check out a stream of the current protest. He has started up a few good conversations so far:
http://m.ustream.tv/channel/revandujo
http://m.ustream.tv/channel/revandujo
Devolution
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Default to the authority that charged a guy for bleeding on uniforms after he was beaten by cops.
Default to an authority that is no stranger to police brutality.
Default to an authority that has made clear in its militarization over protests that it has no respect for a certain demographic of citizenry.
Lets say that they have a thing called weapons training in the Police department. Now, lets ask that question again. Could a trained police officer mistake a tazer with a gun? An officer trained to be familiar with the weight/feel/use of the device.
Could that person, in the heat of... OH WAIT, he was handcuffed on the ground already. Well, could a person trained to use pistols and tasers, on top of another handcuffed on the ground, confuse a taser for a gun. Aim it, probably take a safety off, and shoot a person to death?
LOL, wow! These guys.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You're not gonna like my answer, but it goes back to the robbery video and his mind set. He may have already believed himself to be screwed once he was interacting with the cop.
I guess though an argument could be made that the cop may have had the same line of thought once he already shot mike.
The whole thing is just F'ed up.
Oblong Schlong
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I appreciate the correction, I think I confused this from photos of the scene with two cops standing by Mr Brown's body.
That said, I stand by the intended assertion: if we're playing the odds game, it would be highly unusual for a alleged thief to turn gun-grabber.
Man, that was a fucked up situation. They weren't even sure if he was alone in that cabin, right?
block tower
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so in general if police feel threatened by unarmed people the correct response is lethal force? how is a taser, club, or pepper spray not first priority if someone is unarmed? im failing to see how lethal force is the proper response given someone is unarmed. what reason did he have to fear for his life if Brown was never threatening him with a lethal weapon, as far as we know Brown never even made contact with Wilson after fleeing. so the fear for his life argument seems really obtuse.
Yea it may not be a police rule but it's a rule in general with guns: only used to kill.
It may not be official policy to unload your mag/clip, or to shoot a person 6 times, but in the heat of the moment that's what happens. And I believe most cops are poorly trained - they unload their ammo at firing ranges when their bodies aren't filled with adrenaline, and that muscle memory carries over to the streets.
BronsonLee
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The unicorn was in there too! Never forget: Donner Confirmed Unicorn
The standard police issue sidearm, the glock, has no safety.
googleplex
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BronsonLee
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metalslimer
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And this is exactly why character assassination is used.
MHWilliams
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They just have to justify it after the fact during the investigation. Which frequently comes down to a he said/she said situation.
Hence why people want the cops to wear cameras.
EDIT: Incidentally, this is why people have asked for a separate law enforcement body to investigate police.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Taser, etc isn't for deadly force, it's for compliance.
I'd agree the fact the officer is walking around in videos after the shooting goes against him receiving a scree beating,but again, the investigation is going to go off of his perceived threat.
Veritigo_X
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So for stealing a couple cigarillos Brown thought his life was over and he was better of trying to steal a cops gun a make a break to Mexico or something? It was a petty crime.
Secret Fawful
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Officer with gun chasing someone down the street vs. an unarmed guy running from an armed cop.
Who has more reason to be afraid for their life here?
I can't fucking stand the bullshit around this case. I can not take it. I am losing my ever-loving mind trying to wrap my head around the smear campaign on this kid.
I do agree with you, just trying to keep the facts straight
LAUGHTREY
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Why do people bother responding to this Brolic guy? He's living in an alternate reality where there is no chance the police did/are doing anything wrong in this situation.
FreddieQuell
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I think the question was: if police feel threatened by an unarmed person, is the correct response lethal force?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Assuming that's what happened. Again, the other story is mike rushed the cop.
Depends on what thst unarmed person is doing to the officer.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Like I said, they only care about themselves.
This doesn't even make sense. There is no manhunt for this cop because I assure you that law enforcement knows exactly where he is. And yea if you shoot a cop you better believe they will be searching for your ass.
You're making up a situation to fit your point of view just like the poster you quoted did. There could be multiple reasons as to why he was shot in the palm. You'd first want to take into account the pathing of the projectiles into his body and the different exit points each bullet takes. They all seem to be concentrated on his right arm and upper body suggesting his arm was up and the bullets were shot in a radius centrally located around his right collar bone. Not only that you'd have to take into account the kill shot on the crown of the head. Him being 6'4" most likely suggest he was bent over as no one accounts the victim was on his knees.
It will be interesting to see how this case plays out...
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/...k-teen-handled-shotgun-like-a-toy-prosecutor/
If this guy doesn't get off (which it doesn't seem like he will), I don't see how the cop can get off either. In both cases the amount of force used was excessively disproportional to the threat involved, regardless of fear.
You are defaulting to authority that has:
Charged a innocent man with property damage due to bleeding on their clothing.
Beaten up journalists
trained sniper rifles at protesting white women in the day time,
tear gased media as well as arrested media.
An authority that runs away from killing a citizen.
Taunting citizens while engaging them.
You take this exact police departments word, as you default to their authority. Is this correct? I know you have a lot to respond to, so this is why I'm making sure you even read what I wrote.
This police department has done all of this. These are all universally horrible things to do to citizens of this country. I have to believe that you glossed over what I've read. But with this said, this is the reason that there can't be an honorable trust into this specific department. If you are being honest. How do you tell yourself that this PD's track record and ongoing record isn't deplorable, and that you can default to trusting their word? When their character has already been brought into question by other authorities. Like the authorities that have taken them off the case/involvement as they were making the situation on the ground worse.
Why not default to the greater authorities, that are seeing that the PD is part of the problem. Those are the good guys I feel like. But this specific PD isn't one that could be considered with great honor and respect for their job, other citizens, or frankly, even the law. Saying that you default to authority is an easy sort of explanation to describe yourself in general. But there are actual specifics I'd like you to address. How do you rationalize their actions (That other authorities have seen fit to remove their responsibilities ) to still give them the benefit of the doubt when it seems all authority is removing their authority.
Which a trained officer would know, right? So even more reason to use your training, and make sure that your taser isn't a gun. Plus im sure, the million other ways they are different.
So even more caution should be used when you have a sidearm, and a taser.
everyday math
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Let's see what they have to say.
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