Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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ICKE said:
There is a difference between stealing something as a minor, a 13 year old taking a candy bar or batteries, and committing a robbery as an adult when one should understand the consequences. It is a felony not some innocent part of growing up and doing silly things.
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He was 17. Still technically a child under the law.

Also it wasn't a robbery, it was shoplifting (if that). But keep trying.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
He was 17. Still technically a child under the law.

Also it wasn't a robbery, it was shoplifting (if that). But keep trying.
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Not that the distinction is terribly important to the overall situation, but under Missouri law it was in fact a robbery. This was discussed many pages ago.

He's also 18.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
No one said all cops are racists. I've met plenty of friendly cops of many ethnicities, actually. I've even met SWAT people before and it didn't seem like they wanted to blow my head off at the mere sight of me.
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Let's be real here, there's been a lot of blanket statements about law enforcement in this thread.
 
Chums Knifeblade said:
Ah ok, so just one?



that it shows him paying and isn't the whole video?
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I've watched the video 3 times back to back and do not see money change hands. The only thing I see Michael Brown hand the clerk is the box of cigarillos that he had picked up off the counter. He then bends over and picks up packages of cigarillos and attempts to walk out of the store at which point the clerk confronted him.
 
jond76 said:
Let me be clear: I'm in no way suggesting that any of these scenarios apply to Michael Brown's situation, but there seems to be a lot of ignorance on how fast things can turn to shit for a police officer.

These could be any traffic stop, and can potentially be every traffic stop/ subject stop.

In no way am I suggesting that this what happened in Ferguson, this is to try to help people understand what cops face every day. And maybe shed light on the fact that some people ARE so bold as to fight with police, despite what a reasonable person would think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=revQfB-OM14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSFpwGrmjvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB47ITL1StU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qewue_JlvHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_vpjPyceH8
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Great post, you're right, people don't understand thst sometimes people do shit like this. Shit the guy in the first video does almost exactly what some are saying Mike did (charge th cop after he drew his weapon) We also have to understand that sometimes cops either lose their shit and kill someone and sometimes it even happens out of malice.

I'd say both events are pretty rare/uncommon.
 
Slayven said:
Site seems slanted
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Homepage story is : "ISIS is here" "Obama parties away as Ferguson burns"

Nah you think so? (Drudge isn't much better btw)

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Edit: Drudge is awful.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
Shit the guy in the first video does almost exactly what some the unidentified witnesses only the police knows about are saying Mike did (charge th cop after he drew his weapon) We also have to understand that sometimes cops either lose their shit and kill someone and sometimes it even happens out of malice.
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FTFY

We have to remember, nobody actually knows anything about these witnesses, who they are or anything.
 
So is this the mindset of the police?

From a blog post at the Washington Post:

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?
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Of course, he contradicts himself below that:

Having worked as an internal affairs investigator, I know that some officers engage in unprofessional and arrogant behavior; sometimes they behave like criminals themselves. I also believe every cop should use a body camera to record interactions with the community at all times. Every police car should have a video recorder. (This will prevent a situation like Mike Brown’s shooting, about which conflicting and self-serving statements allow people to believe what they want.) And you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant (though a pat-down is still allowed if there is cause for suspicion). Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave. Unless the officer has a legal basis to stop and search you, he or she must let you go. Finally, cops are legally prohibited from using excessive force: The moment a suspect submits and stops resisting, the officers must cease use of force.
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But if you believe (or know) that the cop stopping you is violating your rights or is acting like a bully, I guarantee that the situation will not become easier if you show your anger and resentment. Worse, initiating a physical confrontation is a sure recipe for getting hurt.
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Sad, but true.

Police are legally permitted to use deadly force when they assess a serious threat to their or someone else’s life. Save your anger for later, and channel it appropriately. Do what the officer tells you to and it will end safely for both of you. We have a justice system in which you are presumed innocent; if a cop can do his or her job unmolested, that system can run its course. Later, you can ask for a supervisor, lodge a complaint or contact civil rights organizations if you believe your rights were violated. Feel free to sue the police! Just don’t challenge a cop during a stop.
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This assumes that the system works for everyone.
 
Quote from the private medical examiner who did Brown's autopsy. On his interview on Fox News:
"Very important with marijuana is the levels of the different drugs that are present in marijuana to have an opinion as to whether or not he might have been affected by the marijuana, so that he may have been acting in a crazy way and may have done things to the police officer that normally he would not have done".
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What the hell is he talking about?
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
Great post, you're right, people don't understand thst sometimes people do shit like this. Shit the guy in the first video does almost exactly what some are saying Mike did (charge th cop after he drew his weapon) We also have to understand that sometimes cops either lose their shit and kill someone and sometimes it even happens out of malice.

I'd say both events are pretty rare/uncommon.
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With the exception of the first video, which fortunately occurred during the daytime on a busy city street, all of those videos have one thing in common: they were all caught on the police dash cam. Why good police officers, and I do believe that this is the majority of them, don't INSIST upon video recordings made of all of their interactions with the public in the field, I will never understand. A dash cam with audio recording would have at least provided us with a record of what happened, and that it doesn't exist is a sadness and a disservice both for Michael Brown and Officer Wilson.

Honestly, at this point, I'm not sure that there's any amount of evidence short of a video recording of the incident that will shift my personal assessment of fault from Officer Wilson. There are too many eye witnesses who more or less tell the same story: that Michael Brown was attempting to surrender when Wilson fired the last shots at him. The Ferguson PD has absolutely obliterated any credibility it had or that Officer Wilson's versions of events had by refusing to directly address the story and answer questions in a straight forward manner.
 
Ferguson's overwhelmingly white government has asked protesters to stop:

The city of Ferguson, Missouri, called for calm Tuesday, asking its residents to stop the protests that have been going on each night since a police officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed African-American teenager, on Aug. 9.

"It is our hope that as we continue to work for the well-being of Ferguson, residents will stay home at night, allow peace to settle in, and allow for the justice process to take its course," said the city leadership in a press release.
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https://www.facebook.com/3566090604...744965.356609060439/10154527112915440/?type=1
 
daycru said:
Not just robbery, strong arm robbery. And then he roughed up that old guy.
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"Roughed up that old guy". Watch the video. First off, the guy does not look that old. Probably 40-50s. People keep saying he is an old man. Not seeing it. And the guy was not "roughed up". He was pushed away hard when he tried to stop Brown. I would be shocked if the clerk even had a scratch on him. Must not have hurt him too badly because he didn't call the cops. The law says it is strong-armed robbery, sure. A crime was committed. But that doesn't mean the charges would not be changed or reduced had this actually went to trial because it seems like they could have been especially if the clerk/owner didn't want to get involved.
 
rjinaz said:
"Roughed up that old guy". Watch the video. First off, the guy does not look that old. Probably 40-50s. People keep saying he is an old man. Not seeing it. And the guy was not "roughed up". He was pushed away hard when he tried to stop Brown. I would be shocked if the clerk even had a scratch on him. Must not have hurt him too badly because he didn't call the cops. The law says it is strong-armed robbery, sure. A crime was committed. But that doesn't mean the charges would not be changed or reduced had this actually went to trial because it seems like they could have been especially if the clerk/owner didn't want to get involved.
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I did watch the video. I saw a robber assault and intimidate a clerk because he tried to prevent him from robbing.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
He was 17. Still technically a child under the law.

Also it wasn't a robbery, it was shoplifting (if that). But keep trying.
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daycru said:
Not just robbery, strong arm robbery. And then he roughed up that old guy.
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Let's strive for accuracy, guys:

(1) He was 18.

(2) Based upon his physical confrontation with the clerk as he attempted to exit the store, it was, almost without question, robbery under Missouri law.

(3) Under Missouri's statutes, there is no separate statute for "strong arm robbery." That's a colloquial term, maybe even a term used by the police, but it is indistinguishable from "robbery." Strong arm robbery is an inflammatory term and, I would suggest, is best to be avoided. Missouri has robbery 2 (the forcible stealing of property) and robbery 1 (robbery 2 + the use or threatened use of a dangerous weapon or the causation of serious harm to the victim). This was robbery 2, unless you have evidence of the additional elements of robbery 1?

(4) "Roughing up the old man" (i.e., assault/battery) is what elevated this from theft to robbery. So it's inaccurate to say that it was robbery + assault.
 
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