From my understanding, that's not really odd at all. People are granted the ability to testify before a grand jury (with the intent of the grand jury to determine if charges should be brought).
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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From my understanding, that's not really odd at all. People are granted the ability to testify before a grand jury (with the intent of the grand jury to determine if charges should be brought).
Also not correct. The grand jury only decides if there is enough evidence to charge the accused. A determination as to whether the case will be tried is made much later (if, for example, the defense moves to dismiss the charges for some reason), and made by the judge.
CreeperBlocks
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Damn. Great message.
Powerful Message.
Is Tim from Vice Streaming Tonight? His streams have been the most informative of what's been happening IMO
Some states require a grand jury hearing for all felony indictments(not sure is Missouri is one), and it seems fairly obvious that Wilson would be a pretty obvious eye-witness to call to testify.
FamousLastX
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His last tweet says they are getting ready and will report should anything happen tonight. 45 minutes ago it was posted.
https://twitter.com/timcast/status/501892402706395136
I stand corrected.
ElMexiMerican
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He sent a tweet out almost an hour ago saying they're getting ready and will report live if anything happens tonight, which most likely will be the case.
Yeah I think it's pretty obvious at this point. It's not going to end well.
What if you ever had hurt them either directly or indirectly? If you had severely wounded them socially, economically, culturally, religiously, etc. and that this wound had persisted and been maintained for centuries and generations. You wouldn't understand why such a person or a group of people would resort to an outlet of some sort?
CreeperBlocks
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Alright Thank You. I hope Tim and the others at Vice stay safe this evening, that was absolutely nuts last night.
jim-jam bongs
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Reasonable doubt is both the best and worst thing about the US justice system tbh
That would be expected. As well as the other eye witnesses.
I like you too, but the way they worded this sounded like a courtesy to him to defend himself.
Well, you have to consider the source, if that's coming from the prosecutors office, of course they would word it that way "afforded the opportunity." Because he was probably actually subpoenaed, but subpoenaed "sounds bad."
Also, to clarify my previous post, I'm tired and I thought you meant Dorian, Brown's friend.
ErasureAcer
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But things are happening in Ferguson. Protest at the police dept. right now.
MHWilliams
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Oh yeah. If he's convicted, I'll be crazy surprised. Ferguson has essentially fought a war for this guy.
Dianne Reum
Nappuccino
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That was stressful to watch--seems like they got it under control now though.
Are you saying that because an individual shares the skin color of a person who has done wrong, that individual should also be punished?
I'm seriously trying to understand this.
Brolic Gaoler
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With all the people overseeing it, including the DoJ that would mean he was either justified, or not enough evidence to convict.
There is a ton of oversight on this.
victreeb3l
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shop owner who got his place torched
Powerful stuff. I hope the community can come together and help him get his store back somehow. He didnt deserve to have his business set on fire.
Thanks...
Yeah. Some people argue that insurance covers it but that doesn't guarantee everything he's lost and the income loss as well.
Random Painted HIghway
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Yes, this is how grand juries work.
Trail Guide
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When that happens I wonder if we'll see full on burn the city down style riots? I'm thinking of the LA riots and that scares me.
Wow, you inferred a lot from three words and a few dots.
But in general, I would say if you disagree with the main point of what the post has to say, whether you're white, black, brown or blue, you are more than likely ignorant of the underlying issues.
Under no certain terms did I say people should be punished for having the same skin color as someone who did wrong, nor did the guy that created the post.
Obviously it's up to the defendant and their attorneys if they do so, but of course defendants testify before grand juries. It's even specifically referenced in the Missouri court proceeding guide:
"Defendants do not attend [grand jury proceedings] unless they are testifying as witnesses."
http://ago.mo.gov/publications/courtprocess.pdf
It's not about punishment. It's about understanding why people react the way they do.
And regarding the point of sharing skin color with the individual oppressors: racism still exists in today's society. White people benefit from it - Black people suffer a lot from it. It is really important to recognize this and understand how society in its institutions, structures, media, laws, social networks, economy, communities, neighbourhoods, daily social interactions, etc. specifically put White people at an advantage and Black Americans at a disadvantage. This should make you realize that the people torching something or reacting violently is only an outlet or a symptom of the real issue - i.e. that they have been oppressed, discriminated against, and marginalized for so long in so many ways that enough is enough.
SamuelSupreme
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shop owner who got his place torched
Wow.....I applaud this man for understanding the struggle
MorisUkunRasik
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I'm not a big fan of her speech either.
shop owner who got his place torched
Just. out of words.... damn, powerful stuff there. Needs to be posted and reposted for all to see.
Ideally him testifying as a witness for himself would be a clear path to the grand jury saying, "Yeah he needs to stand trial."
I'm not taking anything for granted with the racist institution but honestly if the evidence presented is the current eyewitnesses and autopsy vs "I didn't do anything wrong i swear!" it should, should easily get past the grand jury...
I'm not taking anything for granted with the racist institution but honestly if the evidence presented is the current eyewitnesses and autopsy vs "I didn't do anything wrong i swear!" it should, should easily get past the grand jury...
BeatResetsTheWorld
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What part of it don't you agree with and why are you so reluctant to explain/clarify?
Random Painted HIghway
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Accuseds rarely testify because they are questioned without their attorney present. You can't just go in and make a speech. I've never had a defendant accept my offer to testify because that would go very badly for them and they know that.
I totally understand why they'd do it. I fight back and forth in my head about it all the time about whether it's appropriate or not. But when it comes down to it, I'd rather not see anybody hurt. Luckily they just burned a business down. I'm sure that business owner got a check for damages so he'll recover fine. I'm probably that guy in the WWII movie that lets the Nazi go from empathy only to be stabbed in the neck by him at the end of the film.
I'm not surprised if it does happen sometimes (I've just never heard of it). Extremely risky for the defendant to give a statement under oath like that.
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That's what I figured. Thanks for the info.
Irrelevant.
The locals are handling the investigation. Feds only there to help and look at civil rights.
No, we'll be upset, but nothing will happen because "justice was served".
FamousLastX
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Maddow going in about the flight ban right now, preventing the media from being able to show a wider view of the situation and not be so limited.
Eh, I think the DOJ is only involved in an advisory role, and as we have already seen the Ferguson PD didn't take their advise regarding the convenience store footage.
Honestly this will probably sound offensive, but as an outsider, I almost feel like I want this to escalate. I want the police to commit more terrible crimes and not get sent to prison just so people can realize how horribly unequal the justice system is.
Because otherwise they can just claim that Ferguson was an outlier and we all know it isn't. This treatment of minorities by the police and their increasing militarization is occuring nation-wide and it needs to stop.
Because otherwise they can just claim that Ferguson was an outlier and we all know it isn't. This treatment of minorities by the police and their increasing militarization is occuring nation-wide and it needs to stop.
Don't be so touchy, I asked you, I didn't accuse you. I don't think it's right to call people ignorant of a very complicated issue simply because they disagree with what this guy says. In no way should actions like this be excused, they hurt every effort to this cause
No more offensive than wanting to blow a cops head off to force a change in mentality.
it happened before and it worked then.
..but if you read the post, he doesnt justify it. In fact he says their actions are wrong and rage is misdirected.
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