Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

I knew racist attitudes were still very prevalent, but not as common as they seem now. This "wave" makes the task of combating racism seem like an insurmountable goal. It's all really depressing.

I'm black, but my girlfriend is white and even we got into an argument Ferguson.
 
Fantastic interview by Sean Hannity. I'm usually not a fan of his, but he really took this interview and brought it home.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/sean-hannity-ferguson-patricia-bynes_n_5697405.html

Ugh, I had to stop watching halfway through. I feel bad for that woman. You have to have a certain temperament to be able to come off well on that show and be able to deal with being constantly interrupted and a viewpoint from Hannity that changes at a second's notice just to attempt to prove the last thing you said wrong.

I can just imagine all the old white people out there watching this and as soon as she starts faltering in her speaking after being repeatedly interrupted them thinking, "HAH! Dumbass doesn't know what she's talking about!" because it's not about having an actual discussion of the points, it's a shouting match as a sport where the rules are to stump the person in the moment.

It's gross.
 
Hey, look what the local papers in Missouri are publishing:

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What. The. Fuck.

That's not even pretending to try to be subtle.
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event gas seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

This is what wsve been dealing with privately as a people. The treatment from police, comments/attitudes from others, as well as how weare always guilty. You see the hate happening right now. This is all what's been privately dealt with as "keep your head up."

Its just a reminder that I can't do certain things in this country. And to avoid situations where its my word vs anyone. I have a beyond annoying neighbor. Dont want to call police though because its a white woman.

Its getting worse as far as how open people are. That cartoon is the shit my parents saw and worse. But its 2014...
 
I knew racist attitudes were still very prevalent, but not as common as they seem now. This "wave" makes the task of combating racism seem like an insurmountable goal. It's all really depressing.

I'm black, but my girlfriend is white and even we got into an argument Ferguson.

You kinda perfectly articulated what I was just feeling a few minutes ago. It's the unsaid things, too, that, to me, prove the most difficult.
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

Nothing about it is shocking to me, and I've been rather detached from it emotionally because I've seen this movie before, I know how it ends. I had a similar view of the Trayvon issue.

I think back on how I was raised, specifically the victim mentality of how I've been trained to deal with police, trained not to touch anything in a store unless I'm buying it, etc. And sometimes I think Brown might be alive if he had followed that advice...a thought that disgusts me (for victim blaming) yet a realization that this is reality, and if I have a son I'll teach him to have the same negative mentality.
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

I'm not shocked by it. From the minute they were talking about this black kid being being unarmed and shot, I knew people would be coming to the officer's defense. I knew they'd be calling him a thug even before it came out that he robbed a store and I knew a significant portion of the officer's supporters were going to be racist. We've seen it again and again.

What actually did surprise me is how brazen police is in their defense of Darren Wilson. The lengths these cops go to protect their friends is amazing -- the chief should be fired, because clearly he isn't serving the community -- he's only interested in helping a coworker.
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

I'll say this as a white person who grew up and lives in the south. This has been very eye opening to me. The Trayvon case I didn't really follow closely, and it didn't seem as clear cut to me as this.

I have been shocked by what I see on Facebook and other social media sites. Most of the people on there support the officer and feel he did the right thing. I've posted other things on there, and I am not a heavy Facebook user by any means, and maybe have 70 or so "friends", but everything I post in support of the victim, or other articles (like the guy with the rifle on the interstate that was just arrested), get no response at all. Yet people that post things about how awful the rioters are, or worse, get tons of support and comments. Its very strange and eye opening to me, as I see very little way to look at the facts of this if you are unprejudiced and in any way support the cop.

And I am a 37 year old that has never voted for a democrat in any major election (I am a registered Libertarian), and in most cases where its questionable in the past would have probably sided with the police. But this case has honestly made me reassess my whole belief system in that regard.
 
I'm not shocked by it. From the minute they were talking about this black kid being being unarmed and shot, I knew people would be coming to the officer's defense. I knew they'd be calling him a thug even before it came out that he robbed a store and I knew a significant portion of the officer's supporters were going to be racist. We've seen it again and again.

What actually did surprise me is how brazen police is in their defense of Darren Wilson. The lengths these cops go to protect their friends is amazing -- the chief should be fired, because clearly he isn't serving the community -- he's only interested in helping a coworker.

Yes. The police just going completely insane is shocking. Because if anything, I'd thought it would garner support. Instead the narrative is "good. They need to respect laws, silly loooters!!!"

I'm shocked its not larger news that the press has no freedom in america. And the government will just watch all this happening slow to react.

Nope. Wildlings stealing is the major story. And wilson being terrified for his life.
 
Yes. The police just going completely insane is shocking. Because if anything, I'd thought it would garner support. Instead the narrative is "good. They need to respect laws, silly loooters!!!"

I'm shocked its not larger news that the press has no freedom in america. And the government will just watch all this happening slow to react.

Nope. Wildlings stealing is the major story. And wilson being terrified for his life.

So much this. This story had me legit depressed.

There's so much wrong with the situation right now.

It's racism, police brutality, militarization of the police force, the police not serving their community, the police going out of their way to help fellow cops. Then there's the violations of our first amendment right to protest and to the press: Cops threatening to shoot peaceful protesters, free speech zones, free speech hours, and people getting arrested for being annoying and unpleasant. You can't stand still for too long or you'll get taken away by the cops... What country is this?
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

It's cute watching sheltered white kids recoil. It's infuriating watching others deny that it's even happening at all. It's scary watching white authority figures lose their minds at the sight of a black president.

Mostly it's all just tiring and depressing because I know there aren't enough people in positions of power who will empathize with our predicament and help make a real change for the better, and that the general population is content to maintain their "fuck you, I got mine" mentality. You live with it, because there's nothing else to do. I'm happy to see people of color, women, gays, non-Christians, etc. constantly do better for themselves in spite of a system that holds them back. I'll settle for having a few decent people near me. It just feels silly to expect more from this country.

They say the words in the constitution and declaration are bigger than the men who wrote them. Sometimes it feels like the men who wrote them never actually died. Yeah, I'm not a slave, but I still don't exactly feel like an equal right now.
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.


This isn't exactly answering your question, but I think racism is an artificial construct used by the people in power to control the people who don't have power. We need to stop thinking of racism as this invisible, ethereal, unknown element and treat it more like what it actual is. An engineered mechanical self aware behemoth that gets firmware updates every couple of years.

Racism right now is at Skynet levels of efficiency. That's the bad news. The goods news is that it's just a machine and machines can be taken apart and hacked, but that's only if we can unite.
 
This isn't exactly answering your question, but I think racism is an artificial construct used by the people in power to control the people who don't have power. We need to stop thinking of racism as this invisible, ethereal, unknown element and treat it more like what it actual is. An engineered mechanical self aware behemoth that gets firmware updates every couple of years.

Racism right now is at Skynet levels of efficiency. That's the bad news. The goods news is that it's just a machine and machines can be taken apart and hacked, but that's only if we can unite.

The programming makes it impossible to 'unite' because two sides will always have different languages to interface. The system creates those rules for the game, then the players have to play within that system. If you go outside of the system, you're rejected by the players inside of the system.

It does this with media. You can't unite when you don't even know where to go/whom to speak to/ or what the actual problem is anyway. The system has a function for unity, but step 1 is for both players to be on the same page. To avoid step one, The system has a function that automatically sends another player off in one direction of the map, then beats the other player and kills it because it was coming right at the source. Then when the other player comes back, the system tells the player the story, and the other player accepts it and moves on in life. While the same loop is being repeated over and over again in a fractal fucking way.
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

It's saddening, to say the least. I honestly do believe that while some racism exists in just about everyone, it's a select few that take it to the extremes that cause problems. I can't condemn white people or any other race, as racism is just as much of a problem in the AA community. The main difference is that as a people, we don't hold the same amount of societal power that they do.
 
The programming makes it impossible to 'unite' because two sides will always have different languages to interface. The system creates those rules for the game, then the players have to play within that system. If you go outside of the system, you're rejected by the players inside of the system.

It does this with media. You can't unite when you don't even know where to go/whom to speak to/ or what the actual problem is anyway. The system has a function for unity, but step 1 is for both players to be on the same page. To avoid step one, The system has a function that automatically sends another player off in one direction of the map, then beats the other player and kills it because it was coming right at the source. Then when the other player comes back, the system tells the player the story, and the other player accepts it and moves on in life. While the same loop is being repeated over and over again in a fractal fucking way.

I agree with everything you said.

I think the way to defeat racism is to convince the people who have power that unity is more profitable to them than division.
 
This isn't exactly answering your question, but I think racism is an artificial construct used by the people in power to control the people who don't have power. We need to stop thinking of racism as this invisible, ethereal, unknown element and treat it more like what it actual is. An engineered mechanical self aware behemoth that gets firmware updates every couple of years.

Racism right now is at Skynet levels of efficiency. That's the bad news. The goods news is that it's just a machine and machines can be taken apart and hacked, but that's only if we can unite.

Racism is a behaviour. There are circumstances that lessen its prevelance and power. Same thing with war. People behave predictably enough for there to be real solutions.
 
I agree with everything you said.

I think the way to defeat racism is to convince the people who have power that unity is more profitable to them than division.

That's going to be difficult considering that the point of all this racial division is to distract us from the fact that we're all being robbed blind by the wealthy in this country.
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

I'm not shocked by the racism, or the flat out denial that racism plays a role in this mess. I am shocked by how absolutely brazen the police department has been ever since this started. They have basically been going through a list of rights and laws and crossing them out with red ink, without giving a single shit that the media and world at large is watching them. Overmilitarized responses, blasting LRADs, busting out smoke and tear gas the moment someone does as much as throw a water bottle, breaking the (insulting) curfew that they set up themselves, arresting journalists with impunity, refusing to wear nametags or badges and never identifying themselves when asked(this is illegal in all states), raiding churches, POINTING GUNS AT CIVILIANS/PRESS AND THREATENING TO SHOOT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS and more.

This is stuff that our country gives foreign regimes shit for all the time, and yet, its happening on our damn soil. Obama is clearly upset over this happening, but whenever he makes public statements about Ferguson, he has to walk a fucking tightrope with what he says, because apparently if you call a spade a spade when it comes to a city in your country being dragged into what is essentially a police state, you're trying to start some sort of race war, because that's how fucking sensational our country's political climate has become. This is coming from the same people who defended that ass Bundy who pointed guns at feds (I wonder how much teargas he had to choke on for his rights).

If you're skin isn't as white as the driven snow, and you actually think that your rights matter in the face of someone with power in this country, you are fucking delusional and need a slap in the face.
 
and that private prisons = $$$$$$ /people in prison. The deck is so stacked.

Years ago, when I watched that whole Joe the Plumber escapade play out, I knew that all hope was lost for us as a society. This man chased down a presidential candidate to denigrate policies intended to help people just like him, who were too poor to even pay taxes.

It's so much easier to blame African-Americans for all of the problems in the country rather than to look deeper into the exploitation that we're all experiencing on different levels.
 
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.

There was a time where I tried to carry myself "above the fray" in so many words, believing that having a good career and clean record might help alter the perception that young black men are jobless criminals who only look for handouts.

That shit was silly as fuck.

The reality is that as a black man, should you decide to TRY to just be another human being your every action is over analyzed in a Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel-like manner. You're expected to be some shining beacon of how anyone can achieve anything (because look at you! you came from the hood!), and the moment you deviate from this narrative, you realize how lonely the world can really be. I like to think of myself as diverse and open minded. I have friends all sorts of ethnicities, yet when the Sanfords and Fergusons of the world pop up, and that becomes an issue for me, I'm on an island.

No one is comfortable acknowledging that disparity, except those of us who are subject to it. The thought of even discussing it amongst peers who never experienced it leads to awkward conversation. My GF can't really relate, she's white and was raised in a comfortable manner (to an amazingly open and loving fam I might add). The shit festers. I find myself at times becoming more distant when I go too deep into the rabbit hole and veg out on the live feed of the protests, or the GAF thread, cause all that shit brings back memories of being a youth who has been stopped and searched, or pulled over many times for no reason. Growing up and seeing your friends thrown up against walls, or cops forcing themselves into parties with 80% white people smoked out only to ask you "where's the drugs", when you've never touched a drug in your life really does something to you.

I know that's a long post but TL:DR, I never thought we were further than what we are on race relations, I just tried to forget about it until I arrived at what I always knew. You can't.
 
Kevin Sorbo commented on Ferguson. Let's hear his eloquent insight
https://m.facebook.com/KevinSorbo/posts/809048709135197


Oh...wow...
Fuck you Kevin

While there will always be an element of protestors that take things too far, get off message and use the occasion as an opportunity to loot the OVERWHELMING majority of people protesting aren't doing that type of crap.

So it's wrong to paint all the protesters w/ that broad brush.

On a aside: Why does the opinion of this matter almost always fall by political lines? Ugh.
 
Years ago, when I watched that whole Joe the Plumber escapade play out, I knew that all hope was lost for us as a society. This man chased down a presidential candidate to denigrate policies intended to help people just like him, who were too poor to even pay taxes.

It's so much easier to blame African-Americans for all of the problems in the country rather than to look deeper into the exploitation that we're all experiencing on different levels.

I think the only realistic unity, is for americans to understand why things are broken in our country:: Billions of dollars that go missing, and our government says fuck all.

Few billion here. Native American Fund.
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/free/biatrustfund.html

Few Billion here: HUD missing 59 billion
http://www.whereisthemoney.org/59billion.htm

Half a billion here:
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics...it-nasa-doesnt-have-the-money-for-big-rockets

unknown trilions for underground military/science bases citizens have no access to. Congress couldn't fucking say whats happening with a gun to their head due to compartmentalization.

http://www.collective-evolution.com...n-reality-of-deep-underground-military-bases/
Recent leaks from Edward Snowden, a former intelligence contractor, have shed light on the black budget world. This is a world full of Special Access Programs (SAP) that garnishes trillions of dollars every year to conduct operations the general public knows nothing about(2). These programs do not exist publicly, but they do indeed exist. They are better known as ‘deep black programs.’ A 1997 US Senate report described them as “so sensitive that they are exempt from standard reporting requirements to the Congress (3)(1)”. One aspect of these ‘deep black programs’ is the development of deep underground military bases, and they can go up to several miles underneath the surface.

And there are countless other instances. Its the same bullshit. THe government is stealing our money, and has no accountability doing this bullshit shell game. All of this money could be used for education (reduced crime rate ), healthcare (reduced crime rate), jobs (reduced crime rate) everything that is a problem in the USA is because unhappy people are fed up in their bullshit lives. They realize they are just drones. Work in, work out. American dream isn't for them, its for the 1%. Instead of getting angry at this problem, the government. They are spun bullshit about how mexicans and negroes are causing them to live shitty lives where their kids can't get treated for cancer due to being dropped from insurance. (Which happened well before ObamaCare).

We can all look into this ourselves to see government waste.

Im just brainstorming, but I think if you got a bunch of Stormfront members & Blacks\mexicans\etc together with Conservatives and we all were able to just understand how the government is creating all of our life-quality problems, sure someone would shoot me in the face, but hopefully the meeting would continue... I've been thinking about trying to just do town hall meetings. I wanna gather all of this information, all of these projects and budgets that have 0 oversight.


Why is our government claiming it doesn't have any money to run again..?

Its a bit of a stretch, but.. I think the truth or the resolution is getting the facts out about why people really are miserable. And its not the blacks blaring music from Rap cars. Its uncle sam.

I think its a good approach..
 
I saw a quote from Holder's remarks yesterday and thought it deserved highlighting here, too:

"I just had the opportunity to sit down with some wonderful young people and to hear them talk about the mistrust they have at a young age. These are young people and already they are concerned about potential interactions they might have with the police.

I understand that mistrust. I am the Attorney General of the United States, but I am also a black man. I can remember being stopped on the New Jersey turnpike on two occasions and accused of speeding. Pulled over.... 'Let me search your car'... Go through the trunk of my car, look under the seats and all this kind of stuff. I remember how humiliating that was and how angry I was and the impact it had on me.

I think about my time in Georgetown—a nice neighborhood of Washington—and I am running to a picture at about 8 o'clock at night. I am running with my cousin. Police car comes driving up, flashes his lights, yells, 'Where you going? Hold it!' I say, 'Whoa, I'm going to a movie.' Now my cousin started mouthing off; I'm like, 'This is not where we want to go. Keep quiet.' I'm angry and upset. We negotiate the whole thing and we walk to our movie. At the time that he stopped me, I was a federal prosecutor. I wasn't a kid. I was a federal prosecutor. I worked at the United States Department of Justice."
 
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