Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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Stinkles said:
It's standard procedure to take photos of I injuries and almost essential in a case like this. If those photos existed we'd have seen them by now. They don't exist.
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People said the same thing about Zimmerman. The police and/or defense is under no obligation to release any of that to the public at this time.
 
Are things calm tonight? I'm out in the boonies, without enough of a cell signal to watch any streams. I'm having to sit by a window just to make this post.
 
Just to double back to the "he wasn't shot from the back at all" idea that seems to be cemented in a lot of people's minds now, here's the quote from the assistant to the medical examiner:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/18/ath.01.html

And as the attorneys were saying, there was a witness statement that said that he was walking away and the gun goes off and he kind of jerks. So the question asked to us was could that wound occurred from him walking away and then he turns around?

It's consistent with that. However, understand too that, while the shot could have come from the back, because if I'm standing here walking along and get shot from that direction, you see when I pull my arm up, it's in that same general area. The arm is a very mobile part of your body, so it also could have occurred when he was putting his hands up. So I put my hands up and you see where that wound is at. It could have happened if he put his arms across in a defensive manner. We don't know and we still have to look at other aspects of this investigation before we can really start piecing things together. Dr. Baden.
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So, if you're reading sources that state the autopsy contradicts witness testimony, you're probably reading bad sources.
 
Indicate said:
There has been discussions that officers are trained to shoot to stop a threat rather than shoot to kill. I believe the meaning of shoot to stop a threat can also involve actions the prevents a suspect from dieing.
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Officers are trained to shoot to kill. A gun isn't for subduing. It's for killing. Considering the officer didn't call an ambulance or even file a report, I don't think he much cared about the dying.
 
Aaron said:
Officers are trained to shoot to kill. A gun isn't for subduing. It's for killing. Considering the officer didn't call an ambulance or even file a report, I don't think he much cared about the dying.
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Shoot to kill is shoot first, ask questions later. Officers are trained to ask first, then maybe shoot later. A gun can still be used for injuring. I don't think anyone disagrees with you about the officer not caring about the person dieing. The officer is also seen pacing around after the shooting in videos. He appears to be fine.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
It's possible they just aren't ready to release them yet.
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If there is evidence the cop was actually in danger, it would make the shooting more justified and would probably have quelled the riots a bit sooner.

Maybe.

I don't know. But It makes sense to me.

If this is the case, the only reason to hold back information is a) they wanted the riots or b) they don't have any evidence that helps their case. Possibly both.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
You'd have to ask them.
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You mentioned they're probably waiting until they're ready to show the injury photos. What evidence is there to suggest that's what they're doing though? I figure if you're mentioning that, you're basing that off of something. Otherwise, it just sounds like you're mentioning contrary possibilities — no matter how unlikely or baseless they are — just for the sake of it.
 
Baraka in the White House said:
All of this has been debunked? Because that basically means the entirety of AM radio the past couple weeks has been bullshit.
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  • Wilson's account of the events doesn't mention the cigars as the reason he confronted Mike, it begins with him approaching Mike and Dorian for walking in the street. EDIT: Actually he does mention hearing about the cigars and sees that Mike has a box of cigars and supposedly puts 2 and 2 togther. Police chief also speculated days before Wilson's friend's testimony that Wilson MIGHT have heard a radio call about stolen cigars after he initially spoke with Mike Brown but that's just speculation by the police chief.
  • 12 witnesses backing up Wilson was reported and then redacted by 1 reporter who was/is on medical leave
  • Dorian changing his story seems to be a conservative messageboard rumor
  • Wilson did not suffer an orbital socket fracture
  • Brown's fingerprints have not been confirmed to be on the firearm by anyone. So far just another conservative messageboard rumor that gained traction.
 
Spring-Loaded said:
You mentioned they're probably waiting until they're ready to show the injury photos. What evidence is there to suggest that's what they're doing though? I figure if you're mentioning that, you're basing that off of something. Otherwise, it just sounds like you're mentioning contrary possibilities — no matter how unlikely or baseless they are — just for the sake of it.
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When did I say probably? And my post was to another poster in regards to "if they existed, we would see them already."
 
Zoe said:
People said the same thing about Zimmerman. The police and/or defense is under no obligation to release any of that to the public at this time.
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True, but in the Zimmerman case they didn't really release much of anything outside the 911 tapes for a while. The release of the robbery video makes it weird to think they would withhold other evidence.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
It's possible they just aren't ready to release them yet.
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But they are ready to release a completely unrelated video of the dude shoplifting that had nothing to do with his interaction with the officer who murdered him?

You're right, that does sound like a police department that just doesn't want to release info to the public that might influence a court case / public opinion and doesn't sound like bias at all....

If they had evidence of injuries you can be sure they would be posting them everywhere.
 
MrGerbils said:
But they are ready to release a completely unrelated video of the dude shoplifting that had nothing to do with his interaction with the officer who murdered him?

You're right, that does sound like a police department that just doesn't want to release info to the public that might influence a court case / public opinion and doesn't sound like bias at all....

If they had evidence of injuries you can be sure they would be posting them everywhere.
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They haven't released a lot of info from the officer's side yet, for whatever reason. And the video was supposedly released because of a FOIA request, whether the best idea or not.

Indicate said:
Maybe he got mixed up with the words?
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Possible and probably are two very different words.
 
Volimar said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...protesters-want-prosecutor-replaced/14411337/

Really good read. The prosecutor is scum, and there's plenty of evidence of bias toward police and against blacks.
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McCulloch, who is white, is viewed with distrust by many African Americans in St. Louis County, who say he is overzealous in prosecuting black suspects and lenient toward police officers.

One of his cases is legendary in St. Louis County.

In 2001, two white undercover drug officers shot and killed two black men in the parking lot of a Jack in the Box restaurant, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. The officers said the men, who had prior felony convictions in drug and assault cases, tried to escape and drove toward them. However, a federal investigation found that the men were unarmed and that their car had not moved when the officers fired 21 shots into the vehicle, killing both men. That inquiry concluded, however, that the shooting was justified because the officers feared for their lives.

McCulloch refused to prosecute the officers, despite public protests. He said of the dead men, "These guys were bums."

Protesters also question whether McCulloch can impartially prosecute the Brown case because his policeman father was killed while on duty by an African-American man in 1964. McCulloch was 12. His brother, uncle and cousins all worked for the St. Louis police department.
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Oh for god's sake. Being struck by lightning, hit by a meteorite and shat on by a bird simultaneously is more likely to happen than this guy giving Brown a fair treatment. :|
 
Even if there was a decent prosecutor on the case, hasn't it already been shown that Missouri law is so incredibly slanted in law enforcement's favor regarding shootings that it'd be virtually impossible to convict the officer of anything?

There isn't going to be any direct justice here. Hopefully it can at least help lead to some laws being changed and making cops wear cameras.
 
And we can't forget this prosecutor's position on handing over temporary control to the (black) highway patrol chief, a move praised by nearly everyone but him.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mcculloch-blasts-nixon-for-replacing-st-louis-county-police-control/article_0806541b-ed48-5d06-9267-323531ad6cf1.html
St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch Thursday night blasted the decision by Gov. Jay Nixon to replace St. Louis County Police control of the Ferguson situation with the Missouri State Highway Patrol.

“It's shameful what he did today, he had no legal authority to do that," McCulloch said. "To denigrate the men and women of the county police department is shameful."

McCulloch noted that no one was seriously injured in the effort led by County Police Chief Jon Belmar until Nixon handed control of the Ferguson over to the state agency on Thursday.

“For Nixon to never talk to the commanders in the field and come in here and take this action is disgraceful," McCulloch said.

"I hope I'm wrong, but I think what Nixon did may put a lot of people in danger."
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In the article about Gov. Nixon not appointing a special prosecutor a few pages back, they quoted him saying that "the people of St. Louis County chose him" and "embrace the pillars of democracy".

Pardon my ignorance on civic stuff, but was this prosecutor voted in by a public election?
 
Karkador said:
In the article about Gov. Nixon not appointing a special prosecutor a few pages back, they quoted him saying that "the people of St. Louis County chose him" and "embrace the pillars of democracy".

Pardon my ignorance on civic stuff, but was this prosecutor voted in by a public election?
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Yes, they are elected. He ran as a Democrat in 2006 and 2010 unopposed in both the primary and the general election. I'm finding it difficult to find the results going further back than that.

Terms are 4 years so he's up for reelection in 2014. Last day to file was August 19 so I'm pretty sure he's running unopposed this year as well, unless someone somehow got the ball moving super fast without anyone knowing about it. Worst comes to worst, if he really screws the pooch and has no shot at being elected anymore in Ferguson, he'll have 4 years to find another district to run in somewhere else, of which I'm sure there'll be plenty happy to have him.
 
Yrael said:
Protesters also question whether McCulloch can impartially prosecute the Brown case because his policeman father was killed while on duty by an African-American man in 1964. McCulloch was 12. His brother, uncle and cousins all worked for the St. Louis police department.|
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This is just... ugh.
 
Protesters also question whether McCulloch can impartially prosecute the Brown case because his policeman father was killed while on duty by an African-American man in 1964. McCulloch was 12. His brother, uncle and cousins all worked for the St. Louis police department.
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Forget the fact that his father died. He can't be impartial due to family bias of the police department. As clearly demonstrated by the example.
 
i caught a bit of coverage last night of the situation from Fox and CNN, seems like both channels have gone full character assassination on the people involved with this Mike Brown case.
 
From the Economist:

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This could be posted across the fifteen other threads about recent killings by US police.
 
block tower said:
everyone, seems like everyone involved in the situation is having their past or present irrelevantly brought up for some sort of agenda for reporting .
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So far the officer's past has been completely left out. Or at least I haven't seen anything beyond his years of service and the fact that he was commended once.

Of course Mike Brown went to the worst high school in the area, had experience with marijuana, and took some Facebook photos making aggressive poses. He was also a quiet kid who mostly stayed out of trouble and was headed for college, so..*shrug*.
 
Fox News are obviously racist fucks and the viewers who agrees with the network and their practices likewise. I don't get why they aren't just upfront and honest about it - I mean, everybody knows it, right?
 
Lime said:
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He was referring to Mexican cocaine/heroin dealers crossing the border.. He was being humorous and meant the guy doesn't look like a Mexican cocaine dealer
I know Fox News can be crazy at times but this isn't one of them
It's all about the context people
 
Schattenjäger;126571247 said:
He was referring to Mexican cocaine/heroin dealers crossing the border.. He was being humorous and meant the guy doesn't look like a Mexican cocaine dealer
I know Fox News can be crazy at times but this isn't one of them
It's all about the context people
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Nah, he didn't say 'You look like a mexican cocaine dealer' so that's not what he was implying.
 
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