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Polytron Hacked?
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RicoTheMad
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This whole ordeal is one big fucking disgrace and part of the reason why I plan to keep my day job until I can be successful based on having an established fan base vs relying on community and word of mouth.
Indies "self doxxing" and making shit up (I saw a picture with some proof posted somewhere) or overall acting like douches to fans and to each other.
Media focusing on the whole "personal affair" thing and completely ignoring the reason this whole scandal came about, devs and press being WAY too close and personal with each other, and I'm not talking about this instance, this is just a symptom of the greater disease.
Then you have these people, who may or may not have doxxed this guy. Whether it's true or not, doing this kind of shit is just no acceptable. Fans and gamers and internet trolls are also behaving like total dirtbags.
It's like a bunch of children. Most of the people doing this crap are well into their 30's or late 20's. Grow the fuck up already. Work on your games, play your games, write about WORTHY games or get the hell out.
But yeah to me, everyone's at fault in this thing. This is just one big immature cluster of people in general.
Indies "self doxxing" and making shit up (I saw a picture with some proof posted somewhere) or overall acting like douches to fans and to each other.
Media focusing on the whole "personal affair" thing and completely ignoring the reason this whole scandal came about, devs and press being WAY too close and personal with each other, and I'm not talking about this instance, this is just a symptom of the greater disease.
Then you have these people, who may or may not have doxxed this guy. Whether it's true or not, doing this kind of shit is just no acceptable. Fans and gamers and internet trolls are also behaving like total dirtbags.
It's like a bunch of children. Most of the people doing this crap are well into their 30's or late 20's. Grow the fuck up already. Work on your games, play your games, write about WORTHY games or get the hell out.
But yeah to me, everyone's at fault in this thing. This is just one big immature cluster of people in general.
What episodes were "suck my dick, choke on it" and "i wish videogames was a building so i could burn it down with all you people in it" from?
Irrelevant to the situation at large but the accurate perception of him as kind of an asshole isn't a misunderstanding based on him quoting cartoons.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Did you read what it was a reply to? Or do you judge the comment without context?
I don't think you're old enough to know just yet.
You're right. Guess he deserves his social security number and his bank details posted on the internet
Phil has "feminist sjw tendencies"? Don't think I ever heard that before.
That kind of quote needs context? After seeing what this guy has said, I'm no longer comfortable playing any of his games.
I call an orange a orange. there is a difference in attacking a person. and challenging a persons opinion. the latter is fair game, but not the first.
Women and men stand side by side. or they should. but there are those that still feel man and women should still stand side by side yet still a man should do all in his power to open doors for them aswell. We open our own doors. They can't open their own doors? Again that not EVERYONE. Those that I have met that are like that get that title from me.
What, I don't even know what you are trying to say..
Who gives a shit if it's a quote or not? Context is everything. So if I say "Your mother is a whore" I'm excused because I can say "Well it's a quote from X"?
SousedLouse
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Right, as opposed to GAF, where patting each other on the back for not being complete assholes is considered to be quality discourse, and snarking about a topic in a roundabout way instead of discussing it directly somehow means that you've avoided contributing to the gossip.
HE WAS MEAN ABOUT TOTAL BISCUIT!!
dantevsninjas
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Shaving Ryan's Privates
BibiMaghoo
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This is off-topic, so excuse the side road, but I find it a fascinating thing that when a person becomes disliked or discredited, that their works also become so. Michael Bay is generally known as an asshole, yet people still watch his films gladly.
A recent example would be removing the works of Rolf Harris since his prosecution. Is he a worse artist because he assaulted a child? Does his talent then cease to be recognisable?
It seems to vary wildly, not just based on a person works, but on their popularity in culture and the nature of their ill deeds. Phil Fish being a not nice person, does nothing to discredit his work, as Picasso or anyone else. Yet people view it that way.
It is a real strange thing.
Off-topic, but agreed. One of the worst comments you can possibly say, because some people do take it to heart.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Personally I have said far worse thing in real life. I have a pretty macabre sense of humour. I've rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and I know how it feels to be misunderstood from a comment taken out of context by someone who doesn't know me. Why the hate? Just let it be. He's not an asshole; he's a person just like everybody else. Nothing special.
Of course everyone should have the ability to speak their mind as they see fit, but that doesn't change the fact that they are your words and you have to face the consequences as I have stated. Free speech is nice, but with it comes responsibilities and you can be held accountable.
I would never go into a biker bar yelling "Bikers can suck my c***. You're all shit" and expect not to be beaten. I'm not condoning the beating happening, but if I am stupid enough to put my life at risk, it is partly my fault.
AuthenticM
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A crew of professionnal filmmakers should make a documentary on cyberbullying in video games-related parts of the Internet.
In the case of Rolf Harris most of his output was around children so watching a show where he is surrounded by children after knowing what he did is highly uncomfortable viewing to say the least.
jim-jam bongs
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ab.aeterno
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Maybe you are genuinely unaware then that "fairy" is a gay slur, so I would advise against misusing it on people with whom you have a disagreement of gender politics. Actually, I'd advise against using it at all.
The context was that Fish was berated for a tasteless comment. He has no sense of tact.
What happened to him is unfortunate, but the discussion of this thread veered towards Fish's character. Good straw man, though.
Sorry man. I wish I could elaborate more. But I don't want to get censored as many have gotten already. Just that their is a reason why this shit storm took place. and a lot of damning evidence that came out. And no man those aren't faked. And why everyone is so pissed.
I don't know what he is, but I know that the way he portrays himself online makes him seem like an asshole - and that's all most people have to judge him by.
Anyway shrug at this thread. I thought the mods said in the Zoe Quinn closed threads that we weren't going to have threads based on people's personal lives but that's essentially all this thread is.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
AuthenticM
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Considering the amount of hateful shit he gets from everywhere everytime, I don't blame Fish for fighting fire with fire.
wow. These people must have such sad lives if they get off on such vile hatred.
wow. These people must have such sad lives if they get off on such vile hatred.
Interfectum
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Plenty of developers speak their mind on Twitter without telling people to kill themselves, suck a dick or would enjoy a building full of burning people. These same developers will probably never get hacked for speaking their mind either. He actively contributes to the negative discourse that plagues the internet and he constantly tries to stir up shit so yeah it's not really a surprise when idiots decide to single him out from the crowd.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I believe there is currently debate about the future of the Queens portrait that he did. No children come into that discussion in terms of the work, yet it is still to be decided if it will be kept or not. There have been other examples where he has painted murals on walls that are being removed, as if his actual artistic ability is no longer of value because of his poor choices and bad morals. That is, well, strange to me. Though I can totally understand an actual victim not wanting reminders of him in their faces, the value of his work should not have changed.
Same with Fish, he can be the most repugnant asshat in the world, but the value of his work remains the same.
This exactly. I love the Internet and all, but things have been spiralling into a vortex of knee jerk hate. And people seem to love it. You see a sensational title for an article or thread, or god forbid an opinion, and suddenly there's a hoard of people in there championing each other on in their anger about it spending very little effort, if any at all, to read or look into why they're angry. It's like they're there specifically for the drama. They drown out rational discourse, and make it difficult for people on the same side of the discussion to lay out their thoughts without an uphill battle or being disregarded.
It used to be funny to a point to read the silly posts, including some of my own I'm sure, but after the various events like Orth the past year, people have seen that they can have an effect on things and have developed an air of self-righteousness to go with it. People see themselves as crusaders now and are looking to repeat it when new stories they dislike arise.
I swear either people are vindictive as all hell or there are a lot of people who are too young to understand the ramifications of the stuff here being leaked. People could just ignore him and not give him his stage. Instead they actively go back again and again to rile themselves up more, cause apparently we are in this culture of hate now where everything is about how mad we are about things and what about x we don't like. That we aren't happy unless we are united in being actively mad at something.
Just ignore him and move on with your life. You can't change everyone in the world to agree with your ideals or be nice to others or anything really. Actively supporting the complete chaos that he and Polytron's lives are going to be going through, as some sort of justice, is just adding more spiteful anger to the pot that people claim they don't want in the first place.
Felix Lighter
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I'm all for being held accountable for what someone says, however, the repercussions for saying shitty things in public on the internet should be decreased sales of his games or fewer people following him, not the exposure of all his private information personal and professional.
jim-jam bongs
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So you'd rather we vilify people with vaginas?
People already had a hard time separating art from artist. Now that social media and 24/7 news often gives you a direct, unfiltered view of their opinions/actions, even more so.
There will always be exceptions, of course (Michael Jackson is another obvious example) and everyone has a different line they draw in the sand...but in general, most human beings like gawking at the personal lives of others. It's why social media "works". And the thing is, once you start looking through that window, it becomes very hard to keep your opinions uncolored.
This is incredibly sad to see, and honestly I think Fish has every right to be as pissed as he is. Stuff like this shouldn't be attributed to all gamers, but those that do shit like this are truly vile. Same with Zoe Quinn, this is people's personal lives and information, why are people fucking with them like this. Their personal lives and information should be none of our business, and I feel pretty bad for both of them just having to deal with the assholes daily, let alone have them try to steal all your personal information just because he has an opinion about something.
Riposte
Member
What I don't understand is how someone comes to NeoGAF, wait x number of months to get approved (for me it was like a whole year), and yet immediately reveal how incompatible they are with the website, in their junior period no less. They seem to have a pretty good idea on what they think NeoGAF is, but it's their fault for wanting to post here in the first place despite how abhorrent they find it.
You didn't actually address the concerns made. If you tell people to kill themselves on the net or in person for an opinion they're espousing on Twitter, you're an asshole.
Please tell me why because you do it, it makes it okay?
Nubian Star
Member
LOL! I like the one that starts " I had 3 accounts banned by Gaf..."
BibiMaghoo
Member
For sure, MJ I avoided using because he was never actually convicted, but if he had been, his music is not worse for it. It's just a bizarre outlook on something that doesn't really make sense, and yet is very much common place.
That's not to say I disagree with the position of not financially rewarding a person you have issue with by buying a product from them, just that the value and worth of the product isn't reduced by that person actions outside of it.
You are right, the hackers took the wrong course of action, I never said they reacted accordingly, but I'm just pointing out that Phil did have his hand in what happened to him. He made an enemy with his own actions and the enemy retaliated. This is the point I am trying to get thru.
Pretty sad
SpookyFries
Member
He has told people to kill themselves SEVERAL times. I really don't think he was referencing a cartoon. Also
South Park actually.
http://youtu.be/Ic1YLkpl1Do
Interesting observations, which are wrong and have been disproven numerous times in this thread.
Cloudflare do not host his webpage and even if they would, they don't require 2-Factor auth.
There is no need to quickly research and compress the info - it was already researched and compressed when his site was defaced/the Polytron server got hacked, everything else would be dumb as bricks. They probably found the security hole, got what they wanted silently and then made this explode the way it did.
Anyone still reposting this image without having a single clue about what a cdn is should, well, not repost the image.
Yes, there is a reason:
A disgruntled EX posted stuff about a past relationship that hasn't even been proven and some people twisted his words totally out of context. IE. there was no sex with journalists mentioned by him. That's something the "Game of Telelphone" created. Hey remember, that incident with Josh Mattingly and a female game dev getting harassed? Well, of course, Josh's incdient blow over really fast while Quinn's gets blown out of proportions to the stage of complete idiocy including people and families life, and all the crap happening to Phil.
I understand people are using internet drama to push their own agendas but seriously, there is a limit to everything.
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