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Polytron Hacked?
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Me too, which is a shame.
TC McQueen
Member
I don't think Phil Fish actively wants to destroy himself, I just get the feeling that his behavior is self-destructive and counterproductive.
Neoriceisgood
Member
I just find it interesting how incredibly bad those people are at hiding their true colors,
I legitimately don't understand how they can't keep their toxic views to themselves
in places where they should know it'll get them banned.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
This is really sad. The people that were involved in this operation should be ashamed of themselves. No one deserves this
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
This place is saltier than the dead sea.
AcademicSaucer
Member
While i consider this whole situation a crime that needs to be punished, reading QA documents from microsoft/sony/steam should be interesting .
Every industry/community/etc. has terrible people or circles of people in them. This isn't just about gaming industry, it is about the human society and the deranged individuals in it, and they are everywhere.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Woke up, read through the last few pages of the thread and some of the reddit stuff.
I like working in games, and I get to work with indie devs every day and it's fucking awesome... but even I'm really starting to question the culture as a whole.
I like working in games, and I get to work with indie devs every day and it's fucking awesome... but even I'm really starting to question the culture as a whole.
The image in question is inaccurate in ways even a layman would notice and was adressed and disproven numerous times in this thread because of this.
Basically, every single point made is false.
These people are just confidently throwing around lies and buzzwords to make you believe that Phil is the only one who could have done it. Which is wrong.
GitarooMan
Member
Yeah, it's gotten really bad. On one hand, you feel like you just don't want to abandon everything because there is a good group of people and lots of interesting gaming discussions to be had (even if it's often drowned out in bullshit). On the other hand, just completely detaching from all the noise, picking out a cool-looking game, and forgetting everything else seems like the smart move at this point.
Not entirely accurate. The closest he came to saying she got favors was by pointing out that she slept with her current boss before she got hired, but then he backpedals to say that she totally deserved the job.
The whole point of that blog is to say that she cheated on him after having long talks about how cheating is morally wrong.
All the whole "nepotism," "favors" and "good reviews" thing was simply the internet inventing a whole bunch of nonsense out of it.
So true. As long as there are people in this world, there will be bad seeds in the mix.
How has he shown himself to be a "bigoted jerk" in the past?
And have you seen what people have written to him on Twitter over the years? Sure, some of the stuff he has tweeted back at those people was pretty dumb and offensive, but I'm not gonna call him an asshole just because he has gone overboard a few times when he has responded to shitty comments.
CecilRousso
Member
I don't think people are saying that other communities are better, but that this one is bad enough that you want to stay away, not that they're moving to others. The Quinn/Fish circus at least makes me want to close down my browser and take a walk, or read a book, or something like that instead.
So he would do this? Come on, your arguments are not making much sense.
Yeah, agree. And that's exactly what these people want, so that's a bit depressing. They want to keep the parts they don't like out of the gaming community, ie the people who aren't exactly like them.
I dont think its exclusive to the Video Games community though.
For every topic people reasonably discuss there are some morons that do shitty stuff like this.
Its just that Social Media gives every fool out there the opportunity to voice his/her opinion.
Wow! So much energy wasted on such pointless hatred. Genuinely surprised here about the lengths people go to to spread vitriol.
I initially felt the same way after reading Enders Game and finding out about the author.
Is that guy an employee?
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Deleted member 102362
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The amount of vitriolic comments being aimed at Phil, particularly the suggestions that he hacked himself, is disgusting.
My sympathies to Renaud for having to deal with these "guilty until proven innocent" trolls during these unfortunate circumstances.
My sympathies to Renaud for having to deal with these "guilty until proven innocent" trolls during these unfortunate circumstances.
He was a programmer on FEZ.
Renaud was "the other half" of Fez. He did the majority of the programming, while Phil did the majority of the design work.
petethepanda
Member
All the bad shit going on in the world lately and now even the goddamn gaming community is something I'm feeling I need to take a break from.
And holy shit am I sick of the term "SJW," I've now started hearing it more and more in real life and I'll have to strain to keep myself from punching the next person in the f'ing mouth.
And holy shit am I sick of the term "SJW," I've now started hearing it more and more in real life and I'll have to strain to keep myself from punching the next person in the f'ing mouth.
And? There are a lot of revolting pieces of shit everywhere, including (surprise!) NeoGAF - a MODERATED forum that still manages to gather a colossal number of bigoted nitwits, as the past several threads about Zoe Quinn have proved. Shouting "MY VIRGIN EYES, THERE ARE SEXIST PEOPLE ON 4CHAN!" and playing turf wars because vagina-hating evildoers post on an anonymous image board (but not sacred gaming forums like NeoGAF amirite?) simply doesn't contribute to the discussion in any meaningful way and reeks of you being oversensitive because they exist. If anything, it actually derails the topic at hand - let the mods deal with sexist assholes here.
I've felt this way for a while. I'm not sure what could redeem it at this point.
BronsonLee
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That DNSDies guy sounds annoying as hell
Dirtyshubb
Member
Yep, the vocal minority really do make us fans as a whole look bad.
LiegeWaffle
Member
I mentioned this on the previous page, but here's a picture.
Wow, this is an impressive level of entitlement... I am puzzled by the fact that Bénard even bothered to respond to that.
Because they're vicious little shitbags.
Zomba13
Member
Pretty much. I read about it like the day after it was posted when there were people in threads talking around a "zoe thing" and it got my interest because she seemed like a cool person and obviously people would have a field day with anything she is involved in. The initial post seemed believable enough with all the chat logs etc so I full believe that Zoe would have cheated on her boyfriend at the time with multiple other people all while proclaiming honesty is the best policy and how that can potentially harm her stance when speaking out and championing things due to hypocrisy.
That though, should have nothing to do with her and "favours" or any of the other bullshit people have been going on about trying to smear her name and the names of those who are friends with her. She did a shitty thing to someone she claimed to have loved and that's where it should end but the internet is full of stupid insecure misogynists who will take any little thing to rant on the internet against women and anyone who dares defend them.
Because the internet is filled with fucking assholes.
people said zoe quinn hacked herself too. it makes me sad to see people going after renaud as he sorts out the mess
maybe it's selective cynicism though. if you can put together a 20 minute pompous, rambling youtube full of tenuous claims and random slander or a big jpg image with unsubstantiated claims and cherry picked tweets people aren't so cynical.
YianGaruga
Banned
The fallout that is hitting Renaud Bedard and MC Bourdua because of this makes the entire thing so much worse. They really had nothing to do with any of it.
Exclusive? Of course not. But there's a level of, for lack of a better word, immaturity present in the gaming community that is more heavily repressed in many other communities. I think a part of it is that gaming is something that should bring us all together. We should WANT to have fun with gaming, discussing whats new and whats going on, because the whole point of it is that its a fun thing to do. Ultimately, things like "console warz" and the like shouldn't even exist, its just a waste of everyones time. But they exist and they thrive. And it hurts.
Because these people are disgusting.
Why do you think they'd stop their shitty behaviour when it comes to Bénard?
They'll do whatever they can to abuse Phil and everyone connected to him.
Wow, these guys are really upset about Ferguson.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I always love the idea of a group of redditors coming together to hate on any other internet community.
It's like, dudes, you're on reddit. Try to have at least an ounce of self awareness.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Nevermind that is exctly what the type of people that harass Zoe and hack Polytron actually want.
RicoTheMad
Banned
I've seen both sides of the exchanges. Just because someone calls you names doesn't mean that 1) You should respond or 2) You should stoop to their level.
And *never*, specially if you choose to say you're a champion for social justice, should you tell anyone on the net to kill themselves. They may just do it. You know nothing about the people you're talking to online aside from the tiny snippets of text you see in front of you.
I don't really feel like trying to dig up "proof" on how he's shown himself as a bigoted jerk. You're certainly welcome to make your own decisions on his words and behavior just like i have, I've no intent to get into a meaningless back and forth these requests tend to degenerate into.
TC McQueen
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I haven't made an argument, just opinion statements based on observations of human behavior. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that Phil Fish faked the hacked on himself for whatever reason - people have done dumber/worse things before. It's equally possible that he was hacked from the outside - which has happened before.
The problem Phil Fish has is that his behavior up to this point and time has eroded so much goodwill that anyone can say anything about the guy and it could be totally plausible in most people's minds.
Edit: Actually, you could say something similar about the indie game dev and game journalist scenes too, which why this conflict is persisting.
Zomba13
Member
Reddit is the only place that actually allows them to spew the filth they want to spew without banning them. They'd be banned in a heartbeat here and won't last long on any other board that has moderation.
jim-jam bongs
Member
You seem rather emotional about this, so I can excuse the fact you redacted the part of my post where I specifically explained why I think that the anonymity afforded by a place like 4chan allows a particularly nasty culture to blossom and fester like a pustulant boil. And the mods actually did deal with the sexist arsehole already, so yay NeoGAF oh sacred and mighty forum among forums.
inpHilltr8r
Member
My hero!
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Occam's razor, dude.
People keep saying this, but I'm part of other communities where this doesn't happen. John Scalzi is an outspoken progressive, much hated by the same sorts of morons that are doing this stuff, but he's never been hacked or doxxed. Yelled at? Sure. Called names? Sure. Had his banking information, private mails, and life details vomited onto the internet? Nope.
Keep saying it to convince yourselves if you need to, but those of us who are part of other communities know better. And so long as people keep ignoring the problem within this community, you give it cover in which to grow.
BibiMaghoo
Member
I think it vitally important you remember the underlined works both ways.
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