Doctor Who Series 8 |OT| We've fucking time-travelled, yes?

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I was in the big leicester square premiere and still got terribly bored at the episode . I liked Capaldi however, it's just the story dragged on and felt like filler.
 
Fun episode if not as good as past introductions. Maybe its just being in the Victorian setting versus present day like the last 3. I am super bored of that setting.

Regeneration episodes are always weird so I wouldnt judge it too hard.


I do hope they do more with why the Doc looks like the other characters Peter has played in Who in the past other then winking and nodding with the "I recognise this face" line. Even if its just some bullshit I think its something unique they could explore
 
Such a good episode to start the new Doctor~ I love the ambiguity as to what occurred to
the cyborg captain... Did Humpty Dumpty fall off the wall... Or was he pushed~?
 
I wouldn't have minded if they never addressed the Frobisher connection, but since they kept saying they would, I hope the vague blathering in this episode wasn't it...
 
The restaurant scene was so well played by Clara & Capaldi. That had more depth than all 3 seasons combined with Matt Smith.
 
Loved the episode overall, especially the slower pacing, i hope it keeps that way even with shorter eps.

On why the Doctor wanted to tell himself something by choosing an already seen before face, maybe his subconscious thought of something like Lucius=>Pompeii=>unexpected eruption=big troubles coming any time soon?
A bit like Eleventh's "i can feel its coming", maybe he wasn't talking about the regeneration.
 
I LOVED THIS EPISODE! Holy hell was this a great start to the season Capaldi knocked it out the park with his post-regeneration debacle it makes sense that this post-regen weirdness lasted longer than usual he just got an entirely new regen cycle!

Thanks to the extra time this episode really got a chance to breath and the plot was better for it. 12 is quickly becoming my favorite Doctor the line "I have a terrible feeling I'm going to have to kill you." is just bone chilling and something I never could have expected 11 to say something like that. Whether or not he killed the robot is is irrelevant he still influenced it into committing suicide I like it definitely shows this Doctor's capacity to do questionably moral decisions.
 
That was a fantastic opener, one episode in and Capaldi is already a better Doctor than Matt.

Also,
if that woman at the end is River Song I'm going to personally find Moffat and shove a pineapple up his ass.
 
Capaldi deserves a much better plot than that. The goofy parts of the episode especially stood out, he just looks awkward doing the combat
 
This is from a couple pages back, but I wanted to call it out.

Fireblend said:
I remember reading somewhere Clara doesn't fully remembers all of her alternate lives. Might be wrong though.
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This is correct. In Day of the Doctor, Clara asks Eleven if the other Doctors are really him. He says, "You've met them before. Don't you remember?" And she says, "a bit."
 
Metalmarc said:
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Yeahhhh its gotta be
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Moffat said he wouldn't bring back the Rani pretty definitively fairly recently, for what it's worth. It wasn't in a wink wink nudge nudge sort of way, either. He basically said "Only an anorak actually remembers the Rani, she was rubbish" but with more finesse. I believe the exact quote was something about how "no real people are screaming for her back, because no real people remember her. So why bring her back?"
 
Interesting seeing the complete version of the episode, though my opinion remains unchanged. Capaldi is terrific, but the episode takes a long time to get going in part because the plot is so uninteresting and the Moffat-y indulgences feel as old as they ever did. The Paternoster gang and Clara's gradual acceptance of the Doctor are nicely done (though very contrived in Clara's sake: sure, she'd miss 'her' Doctor, but having seen all his regenerations, it seems unlikely she'd be as angry and confused by the change as she was) and Matt's cameo is sweet even if the dialogue's kind of stinky. Overall, above average but far from 'Eleventh Hour' levels of greatness.

Should my thoughts on each episode continue to be roughly in line with my thoughts on the workprints, next episode should be a pretty good one and definite step up from Deep Breath. Episode 3 is throwaway and has a terrible ending, but some fun annoyed Doctor exchanges. Episode 4 is utterly dreadful, directionless and shamelessly an ego indulgence for Moffat, though some will probably like it in the same way some people seem to like Love & Monsters. Episode 5 takes a few too many shortcuts with its plot, but is good fun on the whole. Capaldi and Coleman get better and better. Danny Pink introduction couldn't be much more tone-deaf if it tried.
 
googleplex said:
I thought it was very interesting how the Doctor insinuated he may have subconsciously picked his face to tell himself something. And that he thought he seen his face before.

Whu would he give himself Lucius of Pompeii's face?
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Didn't Clara mention that she wasn't into lusting after pretty boys because she had a poster of Marcus Aurelius on her wall? I wonder if there's a link, there.
 
I felt the story and characters were very jarring at the start, but by the middle the Doctor came into his own. By the end, the episode was hitting all the right notes, but was surprisingly dark.
 
xandaca said:
Episode 4 is utterly dreadful, directionless and shamelessly an ego indulgence for Moffat, though some will probably like it in the same way some people seem to like Love & Monsters. .
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Oh, hogwash, ABSOLUTE hogwash. How can you even compare that episode to love & monsters ? How much of a hateboner for Moffat can you have at this point ?

Regardless of liking or not episode 4, calling it as such is so much into hyperbole it's not even funny.

Probably one of the better paced episodes and manages to scare you without even having a fucking monster appearing on screen, and with almost no reliance on CGI, all characters and dialogues. Now that may not be your thing but "love & monsters" ? Seriously ? Jesus fucking christ
 
Crazy theory time, based on this one episode and a recurring motif noticed in it:

Mirrors seem to be a big deal. Always looking into mirrors. The thing is, we know about a character linked to mirrors:

He still visits my sister, once a year, every year. I wonder if one day he might forgive her... but there she is. Can you see? He trapped her inside a mirror. Every mirror.

[shows a little girl peering out from a mirror]

If ever you look at your reflection and see something move behind you just for a second, that's her. That's *always* her.
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That sort of visitation to someone trapped and alone could inspire an obsession, of a sort. Could a 'Sister' or 'Daughter' become a 'Missy'?
 
MrHoot said:
Oh, hogwash, ABSOLUTE hogwash. How can you even compare that episode to love & monsters ? How much of a hateboner for Moffat can you have at this point ?

Regardless of liking or not episode 4, calling it as such is so much into hyperbole it's not even funny.

Probably one of the better paced episodes and manages to scare you without even having a fucking monster appearing on screen, and with almost no reliance on CGI, all characters and dialogues. Now that may not be your thing but "love & monsters" ? Seriously ? Jesus fucking christ
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I think you need to take TV shows a little less seriously.
 
Boem said:
Loved this. Capaldi's Doctor will take a couple of episodes to judge (which seems intentional), but he's really good in the part. Clara was the best part probably.

My favorite thing: the pacing. That was my major criticism of the recent seasons, but now we got a much better sense of the characters and environments, and the story they were trying to tell. Eleventh Hour was probably a better 'first' episode, but this was very enjoyable. Can't wait to see were they take this.

About the character at the end:
I like the Missy-Master theory. All the speculation about a possible female Doctor in the future - why not make the Master a woman? Certainly allows them to do something new with an important and fun - if somewhat shallow - character. The Rani is a possibility as well of course. She's pretty much what I expected a modern Rani to look like. Still, my guess is that it's going to be a completely new character.

Can't wait for the rest! The show finally feels new again (even though the episode futured mostly familiar characters and a returning enemy - in a way). It'll be interesting to see how the character of the Doctor and the relationship with Clara develops over the next episodes. The different approach in tone compared to previous modern series is probably the explanation of Moffat's greater writing credit on most of the episodes, I'd say.

Wooh fun!
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If Moffat makes The Doctor and The Master fall in love because one of them switched genders, like in Curse of the Fatal Death, I'm going to burst my skulltop.
 
Anyway, my final thoughts: I had already seen parts of it after it had leaked (got em all but I haven't even peeked at 3 thru 5), but with the effects and music and sound mixing and everything in place - it blew me away even if I knew about most of it, including the
Matt cameo
. I also love the new intro (even though the TARDIS looks like it was made with Play-doh); I think the sequence is a huge improvement over every Matt intro (including the music), even if I still think Tennant's last sequence and theme just can't be beat.

Capaldi's absolutely fantastic. Probably because I watched Doctor Who on Netflix and I haven't ever seen a full season "live" week after week, I haven't ever really understood people talking about who's "their Doctor", but I already think that soon I might start referring to Capaldi as my favourite, I loved how whimsical Matt was, but I'm loving Capaldi's let's get down to business attitude even more. This episode had some seriously great lines and acting from him. The
"who frowned me this face?" line and his whole conversation with the hobo
was particularly brilliant. His banter with Clara as well, and he had some really badass one liners.

And fuck it, I love Vastra, Jenny and Strax. I have mixed feelings about the Victorian London setting as it's always very dark and grey and brown, but I really like having them around. I did think the fight scene in the end got boring though, I would have preferred having the conversation between the Doctor and
Cyborg-man
as a longer scene rather than having cuts to that fight inbetween - it was noisy and visually confusing. The Dinosaur stuff also seemed forced into the plot, but whatever, I didn't mind.

They also used the "mysteriousness" of the Doctor to their advantage pretty well; the moment he goes from regeneration-crazy to regular-Doctor-crazy isn't easy to pinpoint; with him seemingly
abandoning Clara with the cyborgs and then again after all was done.
I do wonder where he went, btw. And I love the new TARDIS.

And now I'm supposed to wait until next week =/ this is gonna be tough.
 
Absolutely loved it, Capaldi was as amazing as I'd hoped. I especially liked the 'replacing the broom handle' scene, where he sees his own reflection and realises what he's saying. Was a great piece of acting.

Also, I think I may be in love with Jenna Coleman.
 
Sheppard said:
As always, Strax steals the show.

I do not remember Clara getting the Doctors Number. When did that happen?
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She didn't, that was kinda the point. If you remember in "bells of saint john", clara gets the doctor's number from a "woman in the shop" for a helpline. At this point we don't know who that is
 
Capaldi is amazing, started losing interest whenever the Doctor wasn't on screen though. Really looking forward to the rest of the series however.
 
I absolutely loved the episode; Capaldi's going to make a brilliant Doctor, I can feel it.

One thing struck me about the whole face thing:
When he was examining the cyborg-captain and determining the age of it, The Doctor mentioned how it looked "Roman". Could this be potential foreshadowing about meeting up with Lucius in Rome (after Pompeii) to figure out its origin, or could it just have been a throwaway line?
 
Qasiel said:
I absolutely loved the episode; Capaldi's going to make a brilliant Doctor, I can feel it.

One thing struck me about the whole face thing:
When he was examining the cyborg-captain and determining the age of it, The Doctor mentioned how it looked "Roman". Could this be potential foreshadowing about meeting up with Lucius in Rome (after Pompeii) to figure out its origin, or could it just have been a throwaway line?
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No, if I remember, I just think he meant that some of the pieces used in the cyborg dated back to the roman era and bronze age, pointing out how old it actually was
 
Capladi is great as the Doctor. The throwbacks to Pompeii were nice, and I can't help but wonder if the Doctor is going to learn about the existence of John Frobisher later on.

Is it just me, or did the first android to lower its sword arm after Clara told JVS to hold their breath look a lot like Katarine Isabelle?

Can we stop spoiler tagging stuff that happened in this episode? It's already aired.
 
xandaca said:
Episode 4 is utterly dreadful, directionless and shamelessly an ego indulgence for Moffat, though some will probably like it in the same way some people seem to like Love & Monsters.
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could not disagree more on this one. moffat indulges more with the paternoster lot. ep4 is where capaldi really gets to stretch his legs too.
 
Kinsei said:
Capladi is great as the Doctor. The throwbacks to Pompeii were nice, and I can't help but wonder if the Doctor is going to learn about the existence of John Frobisher later on.

Is it just me, or did the first android to lower its sword arm after Clara told JVS to hold their breath look a lot like Katarine Isabelle?

Can we stop spoiler tagging stuff that happened in this episode? It's already aired.
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It's still airing in America
 
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