Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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akira28 said:
wow 5 whole quotes.

Read both my posts. If you want to draw out everyone who thinks that, go ahead, and start your own thread and you can fight about it.
You brought your straw dog around to be attacked so you can support your "everyone is always attacking conservatives and its unfair" mentality. Some things that they are being attacked on are legitimate, but so many use their victim mentality as a way to pretend they're somehow under siege, when really they just can't stand criticism because it implies that they've done wrong.
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He's completely right and just ashamed to admit the reasoning is based in realism. He's trying to play a victim card after the "victim" he is parading has acted shamefully.
 
Ponn01 said:
Funny how i always see fiscal conservatives attack liberals over it but never see them doing anything about trying to fix the image with their own party. Sounds to me more like turning a blind eye to it and just wanting everyone else to as well. Then again thats a tactic we see quite often.
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Bingo. If you want conservatives to not be labeled as racists then you need to have your leadership and commentators stop parroting those platforms.

If you don't like your image, it's your job to fix it. Not throw blame at those who are calling the sky blue.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Being a republican does not make you a racist, doing and saying racist things makes you a racist.
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That's exactly right. Doing racist things makes you a racist.

Like voting for a political platform that has been deliberately tailored to harm black people. A platform that advocates "fiscal conservative" policies that cut social spending that disproportionately hurts black people. A "tough on crime" platform that ensures that far more black people go to prison than white people who commit the same offenses. A "freedom" platform that promotes policies that make it harder for poor black people to vote.

A platform of race-baiting, redlining, Jim Crow style policies that could be nothing else because that's what they needed to get the racist voters on board after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed.

A racist platform.

Vote for a racist platform, you're racist. You may not like being called a racist for doing this particular racist thing, but it's still a racist thing. Persecuting black people is at the core of the Republican party platform.

Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
 
PantherLotus said:
One side is against: gender equality, racial equality, marriage rights, union rights, welfare, Medicare/medicade and gun control while also supporting insanely unjust prisons in a semi-permanent police state. This is before all the coded nonsense about thugs and welfare queens and young bucks. But how dare you call them bigots.
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lol "welfare queens". Really? I just can't.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Well, that's an incredibly misguided thought. Politics are generally about money and not race relations. Being a republican does not make you a racist, doing and saying racist things makes you a racist.
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You're being intentionally daft, if you don't think that socio economics aren't currently based on racially based conflicts.

It's not a secret that most bigoted people end up under the "republican" and "conservative " flag.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Why are people in here so comfortable with painting in such broad strokes about "the right wing" and "conservatives"? Do you honestly believe that the majority of people who identify with conservative politics are inherently racist?
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Most just misuse the term. Plus topics like these get hijack for whatever cause the poster believes in. Its very sad.

Silly to say right wing party is "racist." Its a complete misuse of the word. No matter how you spin it....

The prosecutor and governor are both targets of the protestors and they are both democrat.
 
kame-sennin said:
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I know this painting poorly composed photoshop is politically and morally offensive, but I can't help but be fascinated by it as a work of art. Why is it that the American ultra right is so talentless? Of course the artist has technical skill, but their ability to convey ideas artistically is so limited and literal. There's no synthesis of the ideas the artist wants to convey. Literally everything the artist wants to discuss is thrown onto the canvas - a fully rendered officer, his hyper masculine appearance, protecting a blond haired white girl, who's clutching a teddy bear, and shielded by the officer's angel wings, which are adorned with stars and stripes, and behind them is another American flag, and in that image a superimposed eagle looking down, in the background, golden wheat fields in 'heartland' America, but the color pallet suggests some kind of dystopia, America in peril... And on top of all that is a fascist, racist inscription in shitty calligraphy for those who might not have gleaned the point.

The lack of subtlety is astounding. And you see this in American radical right wing art all the time. Why is that?
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I have also studied this image with a team of perverts experts, and concluded that there is a disturbing "tenting" effect in the officer's crotchal region.
 
LMAO fiscal conservatives.

Anyone who's not being solely fed by the Fox News bullshit knows that Obama is the real fiscal conservative.
 
Wthermans said:
Bingo. If you want conservatives to not be labeled as racists then you need to have your leadership and commentators stop parroting those platforms.

If you don't like your image, it's your job to fix it. Not throw blame at those who are calling the sky blue.
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you do realize that this stereotyping and profiling is horribly wrong and is what caused these riots in the first place?
 
spwolf said:
you do realize that this stereotyping and profiling is horribly wrong and is what caused these riots in the first place?
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I don't think that saying conservative ideology lends itself well to racism (and that a very substantial number of highly visible conservatives and leaders in the Republican movement are racist) is quite the same thing as stereotyping black people as violent thugs and savages.
 
spwolf said:
you do realize that this stereotyping and profiling is horribly wrong and is what caused these riots in the first place?
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I thought the "riots" were caused by shooting unarmed black men, not being a republican

Credit to Tre for this post
 
Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
Why are people still calling this a riot?
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Less words to type than "peaceful protesters" maybe. Also serves the dual duty of letting people believe that police pointing their weapons and gas at a majority of civil protesters is not worth getting their dander up about.

Also if it's still unclear to anyone lurking about how little progress we have made in this area of police brutality and racism, this vid should make it clear why people can and should be steamed about all this.
 
The "I kill everyone" cop has more available.

Why didnt his good apple coworkers report him?

"If you follow DHS's, that's Department of Homeland Security, definition of a terrorist, and now this is their definition, this not mine. It is a Caucasian male 18-65, one who supports the second amendment, one who believes in the second coming of Jesus Christ, one that is against illegal immigration and is against homosexuality and has a definition of traditional marriage. That is their definition of a terrorist."
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Did he see Ferguson protests as part of a coordinated race war?

"I've heard talk from very, very high sources that there is a timeline starting in 2015 ... you have to be very watchful of created, orchestrated events within the United States ... so there's going action taken, I suspect within the continental United States and abroad, that's going to create such havoc worldwide that people are going to demand some form of protection from the federal government. That's what I suspect is coming. And this thing on the border right now with the illegals I think might be part of that."
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And the classic cherry on top: rape

"You've got Sen. Claire McCaskill right now beating the podium about assaults in the military and probably 99.9 percent of these things are bogus. One only need to look at a woman in a way that she feels uncomfortable and that's considered sexual assault in the military."
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/more-audio-surfaces-dan-page-racist-rant-end-times
 
Wait, now theyre just making things up right?

A Ferguson police officer who helped detain a journalist in a McDonald's earlier this month is in the midst of a civil rights lawsuit because he allegedly hog-tied a 12-year-old boy who was checking the mail at the end of his driveway.

According to a lawsuit filed in 2012 in Missouri federal court, Justin Cosma and another officer, Richard Carter, approached a 12-year-old boy who was checking the mailbox at the end of his driveway in June 2010. Cosma was an officer with the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office at the time, the lawsuit states. The pair asked the boy if he'd been playing on a nearby highway, and he replied no, according to the lawsuit.

Then, the officers "became confrontational" and intimidated the child, the lawsuit claims. "Unprovoked and without cause, the deputies grabbed [the boy], choked him around the neck and threw him to the ground," it says. The boy was shirtless at the time, and allegedly "suffered bruising, choke marks, scrapes and cuts across his body."

The 12-year-old was transferred to a medical facility for treatment, but the lawsuit says Cosma and the other officer reported the incident as "assault of a law enforcement officer third degree” and “resisting/interfering with arrest, detention or stop."

Jefferson County prosecutors "refused to issue a juvenile case" against the young child, the suit says.
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Theres always more

Eddie Boyd III, an officer who faced allegations of hitting children while serving under the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department, quietly resigned and sought employment with the Ferguson Police Department. Boyd faced three complaints of physical abuse against children between 2004 and 2006, two of which were dropped. Internal affairs sustained the third complaint against Boyd, saying there was sufficient evidence to support the allegation that he struck a 12-year-old girl in the head with a pistol, and recommended Boyd be fired. The St. Louis police chose to demote him.

Less than a year later, a teenage boy alleged that Boyd hit him in the nose with a gun, and the officer quietly resigned from his role at the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department. His license was not revoked in the ensuing lawsuit. Boyd was hired by the Ferguson Police Department sometime between July 2009 and December 2010.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/24/justin-cosma-ferguson-police_n_5705409.html?hpcrime=y

Is Fergsuon some kind of wasteland where all the fired cops find jobs?
 
Did anyone post the times article?

This was published by the new York times

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/2...ling-with-lifes-mysteries.html?_r=2&referrer=

Michael Brown, 18, due to be buried on Monday, was no angel, with public records and interviews with friends and family revealing both problems and promise in his young life. Shortly before his encounter with Officer Wilson, the police say he was caught on a security camera stealing a box of cigars, pushing the clerk of a convenience store into a display case. He lived in a community that had rough patches, and he dabbled in drugs and alcohol. He had taken to rapping in recent months, producing lyrics that were by turns contemplative and vulgar. He got into at least one scuffle with a neighbor.
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Is this in any bio of a white kid? The entire story has an ugly undercurrent.

This is normal teenage stuff. Who did get in to scuffles, drink, listen to rap as a kid? White or black?
 
APKmetsfan said:
Did anyone post the times article?

This was published by the new York times

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/2...ling-with-lifes-mysteries.html?_r=2&referrer=

Is this in any bio of a white kid? The entire story has an ugly undercurrent.

This is normal teenage stuff. Who did get in to scuffles, drink, listen to rap as a kid? White or black?
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Oh god. Pretty much the exact wording of the Matt Bors comic. Also there's a little fire back at the dumb article from twitter.
 
jamesinclair said:
Wait, now theyre just making things up right?



Theres always more


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/24/justin-cosma-ferguson-police_n_5705409.html?hpcrime=y

Is Fergsuon some kind of wasteland where all the fired cops find jobs?
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I'm sure this comparison has been made before but... the police union is so much like the teachers union, only worse. Hit a 12 year old girl in the head with a pistol means you get demoted? What private sector job would you see that happening?

Ridiculous.
 
APKmetsfan said:
I think its a little more than dumb. Its malicious.
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People are really starting to notice it more now though. It's been commonplace in the American media to frame these situations this way to reinforce the idea that these deaths aren't tragic and are somehow deserved.

While we're examining police brutality and excessive use of force we should also be taking a look at the role media plays in making the public comfortable and accepting of these abuses.
 
Wilson was "well-mannered, relatively soft-spoken, even bland person who seemed, if anything, to seek out a low profile." According to the times

And he's such a hero because he arrested a dude with weed!

A large amount of marijuana was found in the car, the police said, and the 28-year-old suspect now faces seven charges, including possession of marijuana with the intent to distribute and resisting arrest. The incident won Officer Wilson a commendation, presented by the police chief this year as Officer Wilson stood, hands clasped before him, and city officials looked on.
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/2...w-clues-into-ferguson-shooting.html?referrer=
 
ActStriker said:
Seeing this get thrown around on Twitter:



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I feel the tone changes when you take it completely out of context...

Because his life was tragically ended so early, moments that would otherwise be considered meaningless, are now the highlights of a young man's life. It's the reality of the situation, not an attempt to slander somebodies name.
 
ActStriker said:
Seeing this get thrown around on Twitter:



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To be fair they're two different publications.

I'd imagine RS would write a brown profile a bit different than the times

SummitAve said:
I feel the tone changes when you take it completely out of context...

Because his life was tragically ended so early, moments that would otherwise be considered meaningless, are now the highlights of a young man's life. It's the reality of the situation, not an attempt to slander somebodies name.
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Bull

There are many things that happened in his short life. Focusing on certain thing and presenting them in a certain way is a choice and certainly something people can stop doing
 
USC-fan said:
Most just misuse the term. Plus topics like these get hijack for whatever cause the poster believes in. Its very sad.

Silly to say right wing party is "racist." Its a complete misuse of the word. No matter how you spin it....

The prosecutor and governor are both targets of the protestors and they are both democrat.
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Please define "racist" for us.
 
Here is the RS story on Jordan Davis

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture...nd-your-grounds-latest-victim-20130425?page=3

Though his mother will never admit it, the facts are the facts: Jordan Davis died a mama's boy. He loved Lucia McBath like only a single child can – as her proud, fiercely possessive young man. Every boy in the neighborhood loved her too. They came over all the time to the house where Jordan was raised on a quiet cul-de-sac in suburban Atlanta, five or six kids following him home from class to eat McBath out of hearth and home. These were church kids who'd met at Christian school and climbed the rungs together as a pack. Choir, scouts, religious retreats: They were good sons surrounded by other good sons, that mannerly quotient of the black middle class that never gets attention in the press.

"We taught him to understand that his actions ripple outward, that they affect other people, so be accountable," says McBath, still lovely at 52, the shadows in her eyes notwithstanding. As a flight attendant and a senior recruiter for Delta Airlines – where she's been for three decades and where she met Ron Davis, her husband-to-be and future father of her only child, aboard a flight she was working as an attendant – McBath raised Jordan largely alone from the time he was three years old. Ron, who was also a Delta lifer (he retired as a purser in 2006, after 32 years of service), was a doting single dad who took Jordan every other weekend so McBath could double-shift and stay home weekdays. It was a workable arrangement till Ron remarried and moved 350 miles south to Jacksonville in 2002, though Jordan got used to catching the one-hour flight to see his dad on alternate weekends. Jordan was "an easy kid," says Ron, gym-built and busy in retirement; he looks a decade younger than his 60 years. "Even here, knowing no one, he made tons of friends fast. I got used to cooking waffles for three or four kids, with all the sleepovers he had."
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. "He had a curious mind, reading way above grade level and always asking tons of good questions. I saw him as a leader and wanted to support that with things they weren't doing in class." Delighted to have McBath all to himself, Jordan made her promise that she wouldn't remarry till he left for college or the Marines.
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Its a positive (AKA realistic) portrayal of his life.
 
jamesinclair said:
Is Fergsuon some kind of wasteland where all the fired cops find jobs?
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A couple pages back I posted links about the department Wilson was in prior to Ferguson. Wilson himself wasn't in any trouble there, but that entire department was disbanded due to an excess of racial tension.
 
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